Valve, do a Trade-in program

[MarkaLeLe]

A lot of people got their SD recently ( mine came 1 year ago and i'm very happy with it even tho i don't use it that much )

But you should let people trade their SD in for credit so they could buy the OLED, or even the SD2 when it comes around in the future.

Would make people happy and give you some refurb stocks for the less wealthy

and for the most damaged SD, it would still be a good gesture towards recycling components.

[kudos72]

I'd love it if they offered it but can't see it happening.

The price drop, cheap refurbs and a new improved model has killed the second hand market overnight.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

We can still sell our LCD decks if we want to, maybe not for the same amount as before the OLED model announcement but there is still a market for used ones. People like us who buy early, first gen products think that because there is an OLED now, no one will want the original but never underestimate how far others will go to buy something that works as good as a new one but for a lower price. Those kinds of people are frugal and thrifty and wouldn’t be willing to pay $550 for an OLED Steam Deck anyway. And I expect that the OLED model will sell out and not be available to buy new (easily) until after the holidays. As long as there is nothing wrong with your steam deck, it’s sellable and will earn you more than anything Valve would ever give you on a trade in.

Just look on eBay, there are multiple ones (512GB) with active bids between $275-$325. Even a 256GB model would easily sell for $200. If you listen to the most negative people in some of these threads, they make it sound like you might as well give your LCD model away because no one would ever dream of paying for one in a post-OLED world.

[Truster]

Yeah, a "Trade in" Replacement would be nice, i would buy, though i do not want to buy the oled-sd for full price - so i'll better wait for SD2.

[TristanMike]

I absolutely think that most companies, if not all electronic manufactures should have a Trade-In/Trade-Up program to reduce E-Waste. It should be a no-brainer. It should be at the feet of the companies who produce the gear to figure out the best, most economical way to dispose of E-Waste. If you lay it at the feet of the companies, I will all but guarantee you'll see products that last longer and have less waste (whether it's in the product or the packaging). Leaving it to the government is a waste of time.

[The Man Insane]

The logistics behind this would be mess. Some canned corporate apology and maybe a discount or coupon is probably the most we will get. At least an apology and a promise to avoid such a mess in future would be nice. Not even mentioning that the deck is sold with free shipping how would they do this trade-in?

[ingramli]

Originally posted by TristanMike:

I absolutely think that most companies, if not all electronic manufactures should have a Trade-In/Trade-Up program to reduce E-Waste. It should be a no-brainer. It should be at the feet of the companies who produce the gear to figure out the best, most economical way to dispose of E-Waste. If you lay it at the feet of the companies, I will all but guarantee you'll see products that last longer and have less waste (whether it's in the product or the packaging). Leaving it to the government is a waste of time.

Not always the case, many electronics companies nowadays, including Apple, do not have the manufacturing process in-house, for instance, Apple sources the components from all over the world, and let Foxconn do the assembly works, it is not like they know how to dispose the wastes the best only because they design the circuit putting components from different suppliers together. Also trust me, they are not interested to do so because it brings no substantial financial benefits for the human resources investment required, if that is legal requirement that it is their duty to do so, more likely than not they will outsource it, because it is not their core capabilities.

"Leaving it to the government is a waste of time", not always true. In fact nowadays many things supposed to be done by government are outsourced to private sectors. It is a matter of fact that finding someone who already possess the expertise often cheaper than acquire, and maintain it at your own payroll, even for the disposal of the fission reactors on the decommissioned carriers, are done by external service providers, whoever can handle the issue in a more efficient way, is a good thing.

[Cyberbeing]

Originally posted by ThreeFingerG:

Stupid, childish request. Valve does great things for this community and they deserve to be rewarded for it with great profits. What you ask is cartoonishly unprofitable. I say this as someone who got My SD a WEEK before OLED was announced and am still bummed out about it.

You know you're within 14 days return policy?
https://store.steampowered.com/hardware_order_terms

[Persephone]

Originally posted by invision2212:

Why can’t you just sell it yourself? Chances are you would make more money

Look how much valve sells the refurbs for. You won’t get anything worthy by trading it in. It would too much work to clean those systems, replace anything that needs it, and then resell for little profit while also having to pay employees.

because who would even buy the lcd one when the oled is out. the people who can afford these aren't going to be looking for the lcd ones anymore anyway. not to mention not a lot of us want to deal with selling it to other people (people are cheap and most just waste your time). offering a trade in makes the most sense. i mean we can do it with phones, why cant they do it with this

[Persephone]

Originally posted by The Man Insane:

The logistics behind this would be mess. Some canned corporate apology and maybe a discount or coupon is probably the most we will get. At least an apology and a promise to avoid such a mess in future would be nice. Not even mentioning that the deck is sold with free shipping how would they do this trade-in?

the same way you can trade in phones and smartwatches. its really not that difficult. but they aren't even giving us a reason why they CANT. they are just simply telling us they have no plans....i want a legitimate reason from valve as to why this can't be done in some way

[Persephone]

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

We can still sell our LCD decks if we want to, maybe not for the same amount as before the OLED model announcement but there is still a market for used ones. People like us who buy early, first gen products think that because there is an OLED now, no one will want the original but never underestimate how far others will go to buy something that works as good as a new one but for a lower price. Those kinds of people are frugal and thrifty and wouldn’t be willing to pay $550 for an OLED Steam Deck anyway. And I expect that the OLED model will sell out and not be available to buy new (easily) until after the holidays. As long as there is nothing wrong with your steam deck, it’s sellable and will earn you more than anything Valve would ever give you on a trade in.

Just look on eBay, there are multiple ones (512GB) with active bids between $275-$325. Even a 256GB model would easily sell for $200. If you listen to the most negative people in some of these threads, they make it sound like you might as well give your LCD model away because no one would ever dream of paying for one in a post-OLED world.

because if you have the money for the lcd, then you have the money for an oled lol

[TristanMike]

Originally posted by ingramli:

Originally posted by TristanMike:

I absolutely think that most companies, if not all electronic manufactures should have a Trade-In/Trade-Up program to reduce E-Waste. It should be a no-brainer. It should be at the feet of the companies who produce the gear to figure out the best, most economical way to dispose of E-Waste. If you lay it at the feet of the companies, I will all but guarantee you'll see products that last longer and have less waste (whether it's in the product or the packaging). Leaving it to the government is a waste of time.

Not always the case, many electronics companies nowadays, including Apple, do not have the manufacturing process in-house, for instance, Apple sources the components from all over the world, and let Foxconn do the assembly works, it is not like they know how to dispose the wastes the best only because they design the circuit putting components from different suppliers together. Also trust me, they are not interested to do so because it brings no substantial financial benefits for the human resources investment required, if that is legal requirement that it is their duty to do so, more likely than not they will outsource it, because it is not their core capabilities.

"Leaving it to the government is a waste of time", not always true. In fact nowadays many things supposed to be done by government are outsourced to private sectors. It is a matter of fact that finding someone who already possess the expertise often cheaper than acquire, and maintain it at your own payroll, even for the disposal of the fission reactors on the decommissioned carriers, are done by external service providers, whoever can handle the issue in a more efficient way, is a good thing.

What the sh!t are you on about ? It's absolutely irrelevant that Apple doesn't manufacture things in-house, duh...almost no electronic company builds in-house. Everything is made in China. Putting the problem back on the very companies that cause the problem in the first place forces them to think of ways to reduce, if not eliminate waste. They will have a larger pool of refurbished goods they can sell at a lower price.

Name a single government program that is run more efficiently than its private counterpart. I mean, you're making my argument for me. The government outsources their work because private companies can do it better...why do you think SpaceX is blowing away NASA ? So, yes, leaving anything to the government is basically a huge waste of time (and taxpayer money).

Are you just arguing to argue ?

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by Persephone:

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

We can still sell our LCD decks if we want to, maybe not for the same amount as before the OLED model announcement but there is still a market for used ones. People like us who buy early, first gen products think that because there is an OLED now, no one will want the original but never underestimate how far others will go to buy something that works as good as a new one but for a lower price. Those kinds of people are frugal and thrifty and wouldn’t be willing to pay $550 for an OLED Steam Deck anyway. And I expect that the OLED model will sell out and not be available to buy new (easily) until after the holidays. As long as there is nothing wrong with your steam deck, it’s sellable and will earn you more than anything Valve would ever give you on a trade in.

Just look on eBay, there are multiple ones (512GB) with active bids between $275-$325. Even a 256GB model would easily sell for $200. If you listen to the most negative people in some of these threads, they make it sound like you might as well give your LCD model away because no one would ever dream of paying for one in a post-OLED world.

because if you have the money for the lcd, then you have the money for an oled lol

I get wanting an OLED, but I don't get the inclination to go online and cry about it and reject the only viable option for an upgrade path. Take some responsibility and sell it yourself and save up money until you have enough. Do you not work or have any source of income at all? Surely there is something left over after the bills are paid. Valve made a product and we wanted it, so we bought it. Now they made a new, slightly better one. If we want that one, we are gonna have to buy it as well. They are not going to give it to us at a discount because some of us feel entitled to it. It's not their responsibility to accept thousands of Steam Decks to offer existing owners a discount on the OLED model.

This idea that no one wants an LCD model Steam Deck is nonsense. Yes, they lost some of their value but they aren't worthless. Even the crappy 64GB one with eMMC storage is worth at least $175 at the lowest. Will that get you a new OLED model? No, but it will get you closer than listing all the reasons why you think Valve should accept a trade in from you, swap yours out for an OLED, etc etc. If you are gonna buy tech and then get buyers remorse and want the next thing that comes out yet can't afford to pay for all of it, then you need to get comfortable with reselling consumer tech. You can put it on ebay and you don't have to worry about people wasting your time, it filters out the nonsense you get from in-person sales using fb marketplace or craigslist or whatever they use in your region. Be pragmatic and look at the situation realistically.

[Jcee]

@phasing out the origional
The $400 new unit still has an lcd, and i dont see them phasing out the $400 price-point or upgrading that to an OLED any time soon (could be wrong)
That said yes, i could see them offering like $200 on the 64gb model, throwing a 256gb m.2 into it and selling it as a used low tier. since it is otherwise identical.
The premium one, are imo the ones more likely to upgrade though, so they would have to sell that as its own product. I could see them offering $300 credit for the premium one (and selling it at $400, Middle tier might warrant $250, since the m.2 is actually reusable too.
The 64gb m.2s were functionally e-waste when they were manufactured.

[ingramli]

Originally posted by TristanMike:

Originally posted by ingramli:

Not always the case, many electronics companies nowadays, including Apple, do not have the manufacturing process in-house, for instance, Apple sources the components from all over the world, and let Foxconn do the assembly works, it is not like they know how to dispose the wastes the best only because they design the circuit putting components from different suppliers together. Also trust me, they are not interested to do so because it brings no substantial financial benefits for the human resources investment required, if that is legal requirement that it is their duty to do so, more likely than not they will outsource it, because it is not their core capabilities.

"Leaving it to the government is a waste of time", not always true. In fact nowadays many things supposed to be done by government are outsourced to private sectors. It is a matter of fact that finding someone who already possess the expertise often cheaper than acquire, and maintain it at your own payroll, even for the disposal of the fission reactors on the decommissioned carriers, are done by external service providers, whoever can handle the issue in a more efficient way, is a good thing.

What the sh!t are you on about ? It's absolutely irrelevant that Apple doesn't manufacture things in-house, duh...almost no electronic company builds in-house. Everything is made in China. Putting the problem back on the very companies that cause the problem in the first place forces them to think of ways to reduce, if not eliminate waste. They will have a larger pool of refurbished goods they can sell at a lower price.

Name a single government program that is run more efficiently than its private counterpart. I mean, you're making my argument for me. The government outsources their work because private companies can do it better...why do you think SpaceX is blowing away NASA ? So, yes, leaving anything to the government is basically a huge waste of time (and taxpayer money).

Are you just arguing to argue ?

So what you want is not reducing e-waste by recycling, but "have a larger pool of refurbished goods they can sell at a lower price". Okay okay, I understand you want to save some money, and I replied that in another thread, I will say it again. If there are mutual benefits for both Valve and the users, I don't see why Valve don't do it, they choose not to because they have the numbers we don't have access to, which include the sales figures of the refurbished units, the estimated cost of inspection and testing, cost of repackaging, the cost to provide warranty coverage for the refurbished units, so on and so forth.

Trade-in is one thing, recycling is another. Recycling is always an industry of its own, people who participate in manufacturing don't do recycling at the same time, don't try to mix up the two things, it doesn't do any good to your argument.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Yeah, I would trade mine in if they had a program. I'm just going to wait for the SD 2. Hopefully it has an OLED screen at launch.