Give us the real Steam Deck 2.0 OLED

[Rod]

I want to buy this product but not with 720p in the age of DLSS i am not interested in a device so expensive that renders sub 720p with AI. I want a 1080p HDR 90hz OLED in 8 inch and the latest Zen 4 APU. 60w or so while plugged in would be fine by me. I think 8" is the endgame size of these devices and overall this would be a brilliant handheld. At least with a game forcing on DLSS at 1080p the AI recontruction is done from a decent 1280x720p.

But if you do not hurry up i will instead buy a Nintendo Switch 2. Thats the real problem while i like the new Steam Deck OLED, I already have owned the Switch OLED for a whole year and notice the aliasing and limitations of the low resolution of 1280x800. So i have no interest in this revision and hope that something more powerful arrives soon but if you wait too long you will lose a sale. Thats the whole story of Steam Decks life for me!

[Haruspex]

Go ahead and buy that Switch 2 then. Valve won't make a Steam Deck 2 until they can get a satisfactory performance increase at a reasonable price with acceptable efficiency.

[minisith]

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Go ahead and buy that Switch 2 then. Valve won't make a Steam Deck 2 until they can get a satisfactory performance increase at a reasonable price with acceptable efficiency.

Ah yes, because Nintendo games are equal to PC games. What a joke.

[Rod]

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Go ahead and buy that Switch 2 then. Valve won't make a Steam Deck 2 until they can get a satisfactory performance increase at a reasonable price with acceptable efficiency.

Then how are Nintendo doing it and how did Rog Ally do it? Its literally slapping a custom oled to a rog ally with your own os. They can now request a custom oled screen made for them as they now have the desired reputation and contacts.

Just call the supplier and order some 8 inch oled screens?

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Rod:

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Go ahead and buy that Switch 2 then. Valve won't make a Steam Deck 2 until they can get a satisfactory performance increase at a reasonable price with acceptable efficiency.

Then how are Nintendo doing it and how did Rog Ally do it? Its literally slapping a custom oled to a rog ally with your own os. They can now request a custom oled screen made for them as they now have the desired reputation and contacts.

Just call the supplier and order some 8 inch oled screens?

We don't have definitive specs for the Switch 2 yet. That's all speculation.

The ROG Ally and Legion Go sort of did it, but sloppily. They just brute force the problem by throwing more wattage at it. This means more heat and less efficiency. Worst case scenario battery for both is under and hour. 40 minutes in the Ally's case.

Valve doesn't want to brute force it. They want to do it right, balancing performance with efficiency, and the tech just isn't there yet. So until it is, no Steam Deck 2.

[I have mic]

What we REALLY need is a controller only variant of this device, along with a new version of the steam controller with all the buttons this thing has.

Here is a reference in case anyone is wondering what I am talking about in regards to a "controller only variant": https://archive.ph/Kj91p

[deaddoof]

Originally posted by Rod:

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Go ahead and buy that Switch 2 then. Valve won't make a Steam Deck 2 until they can get a satisfactory performance increase at a reasonable price with acceptable efficiency.

Then how are Nintendo doing it and how did Rog Ally do it? Its literally slapping a custom oled to a rog ally with your own os. They can now request a custom oled screen made for them as they now have the desired reputation and contacts.

Just call the supplier and order some 8 inch oled screens?

Switch 2 will probably be slight faster than the Deck 2. I believe Valve is waiting for LPDDR6 to be released.

[David Kay]

Dude, it's a handheld. It's small. You need to fit so much stuff in there. You cannot expect it to perform on a level of a gaming laptop. You can see the competitors with full HD screens and see how they perform? Not that great. It's always a tradeoff. The main reason you get a handheld is to enjoy the handheld experience and the lower visual quality is the tradeoff. Higher resolution means higher price, more computing power, louder fan noise, more power consumption, means worse battery life and worse performance. Of course you could make it bigger and use better hardware but then it gets even more expensive and becomes too big for a handheld.

[I have mic]

Originally posted by David Kay:

Dude, it's a handheld. It's small. You need to fit so much stuff in there. You cannot expect it to perform on a level of a gaming laptop. You can see the competitors with full HD screens and see how they perform? Not that great. It's always a tradeoff. The main reason you get a handheld is to enjoy the handheld experience and the lower visual quality is the tradeoff. Higher resolution means higher price, more computing power, louder fan noise, more power consumption, means worse battery life and worse performance. Of course you could make it bigger and use better hardware but then it gets even more expensive and becomes too big for a handheld.

Everything you said is why I want a controller only variant.

[steven1mac]

I doubt the Steam Deck 2 will come until they get about a 50 percent increase in performance. Even when it is improved it will still struggle with some of the un-optimized games that have been released lately.

I doubt the switch 2 will be a whole lot better than the current version of the deck.

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Originally posted by Rod:

Then how are Nintendo doing it and how did Rog Ally do it? Its literally slapping a custom oled to a rog ally with your own os. They can now request a custom oled screen made for them as they now have the desired reputation and contacts.

Just call the supplier and order some 8 inch oled screens?

We don't have definitive specs for the Switch 2 yet. That's all speculation.

The ROG Ally and Legion Go sort of did it, but sloppily. They just brute force the problem by throwing more wattage at it. This means more heat and less efficiency. Worst case scenario battery for both is under and hour. 40 minutes in the Ally's case.

Valve doesn't want to brute force it. They want to do it right, balancing performance with efficiency, and the tech just isn't there yet. So until it is, no Steam Deck 2.

Still the better approach, because that gives people a choice to game how they want. You can limit the TDP and resolution to get longer battery times. Either way, it's best to invest into a powerbank.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Haruspex:

We don't have definitive specs for the Switch 2 yet. That's all speculation.

The ROG Ally and Legion Go sort of did it, but sloppily. They just brute force the problem by throwing more wattage at it. This means more heat and less efficiency. Worst case scenario battery for both is under and hour. 40 minutes in the Ally's case.

Valve doesn't want to brute force it. They want to do it right, balancing performance with efficiency, and the tech just isn't there yet. So until it is, no Steam Deck 2.

Still the better approach, because that gives people a choice to game how they want. You can limit the TDP and resolution to get longer battery times. Either way, it's best to invest into a powerbank.

It really isn't a better approach though.

Brute forcing the problem cause quicker wear and tear on the device because the average user won't sit there and tinker with TDP settings to optimize it. This along with, as others said, the brute forcing gains are negligible to the actual increase in power usage.

[Andrius227]

800p is plenty for 7 inch display. And the switch? If you have the money to buy your entire game library again then sure go ahead…

As an owner of 1400 games on my steam account, im not buying any gaming device that cannot use my steam library.

[Dynamonic]

If you look at LTT's video impressions of the Steam Deck OLED, Linus states that he was actually surprised to learn that the screen was still 1280x800, and could have sworn it was a higher resolution when he first tried it, such is the vast improvement over the original LCD model's screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCVXqoVi6RE

Personally, I can't wait for the OLED model! It looks fantastic!

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Still the better approach, because that gives people a choice to game how they want. You can limit the TDP and resolution to get longer battery times. Either way, it's best to invest into a powerbank.

Sure, except you can do that with the Deck, and thanks to the efficient, custom SOC it just scales down better than the Z1 extreme devices, performing better at a lower TDP.

But you are correct if performance is the end-all-be-all metric, Z1 extreme powered devices have the Deck beat. There's no arguing against it. Crank it up and enjoy better performance, just don't wander too far from a power outlet.

[Drak3]

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Originally posted by ?legit:

Still the better approach, because that gives people a choice to game how they want. You can limit the TDP and resolution to get longer battery times. Either way, it's best to invest into a powerbank.

Sure, except you can do that with the Deck, and thanks to the efficient, custom SOC it just scales down better than the Z1 extreme devices, performing better at a lower TDP.

But you are correct if performance is the end-all-be-all metric, Z1 extreme powered devices have the Deck beat. There's no arguing against it. Crank it up and enjoy better performance, just don't wander too far from a power outlet.

And pray to god it power throttles before drawing more than it can accept from a charger.

Because the Z1E in the Ally can draw enough power to drain the battery while plugged in when in turbo mode.