Steam Deck

Steam Deck

[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 4 日 上午 5:26
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Did the Lenovo Legion go just kill the steam deck?
Yeah, this thing is a beast. 97% DCI-P3 color gamut, 144hz and a whopping QHD + resolution... :O Detachable sides, a huge screen and more importantly: Magnetic Hall sticks.

It's also worth to note that it isn't locked down behind a restrictive OS (such as bottleneckOS a.k.a. steamOS).

Thank you Valve for opening the desktop handheld market, and thank you Lenovo for developing a far better product.
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[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 7:35 
The steam deck oled is fantastic news, because that means that a new ally or new legion go in a few years may come with an oled as well. Although I wouldn't realy demand that for the legion go, as the screen is already perfect, with 97%DCI P3 and QHD+. That wasn't the case with the steam deck, so the difference there is massive, much more massive than it would be with the legion go. Too bad it's still just 800p.

The timing of the oled deck release is very interesting, I don't think it's coincidence that it overlaps with the legion go.
[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 7:42 
引用自 Drak3
引用自 ?legit
Yes it is. 60fps @ 144hz does make a difference compared to 60hz. You not noticing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You're right.

60FPS @ 144Hz is inferior to 60FPS @ 60Hz or 120Hz. Any FPS/Hz ratio where the Hz isn't cleanly divisible by the FPS results in pull-down/pull-up, tearing, or stuttering.

VRR is one method of fixing this. Lenovo decided (idiotically) to not use this.

One would think that the person that is constantly spouting off about the "bad" screen on the Deck would know that a gross mismatch of FPS and Hz is something to avoid.
Well, here we are, getting a 90hz screen on a device that can barely hold 60fps... :lunar2019grinningpig: Wait, sadly without VRR. Valve decided (idiotically) to not use this.
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Drak3 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 8:12 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 Drak3
You're right.

60FPS @ 144Hz is inferior to 60FPS @ 60Hz or 120Hz. Any FPS/Hz ratio where the Hz isn't cleanly divisible by the FPS results in pull-down/pull-up, tearing, or stuttering.

VRR is one method of fixing this. Lenovo decided (idiotically) to not use this.

One would think that the person that is constantly spouting off about the "bad" screen on the Deck would know that a gross mismatch of FPS and Hz is something to avoid.
Well, here we are, getting a 90hz screen on a device that can barely hold 60fps... :lunar2019grinningpig: Wait, sadly without VRR. Valve decided (idiotically) to not use this.
In all likelihood, Valve is probably going to maintain the incremental refresh rate settings that can be tied to per game profiles, meaning that people can still easily match the FPS to the refresh rate.
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 8:19 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 Drak3
You're right.

60FPS @ 144Hz is inferior to 60FPS @ 60Hz or 120Hz. Any FPS/Hz ratio where the Hz isn't cleanly divisible by the FPS results in pull-down/pull-up, tearing, or stuttering.

VRR is one method of fixing this. Lenovo decided (idiotically) to not use this.

One would think that the person that is constantly spouting off about the "bad" screen on the Deck would know that a gross mismatch of FPS and Hz is something to avoid.
Well, here we are, getting a 90hz screen on a device that can barely hold 60fps... :lunar2019grinningpig: Wait, sadly without VRR. Valve decided (idiotically) to not use this.
Do you know math bro?

More denominators translate into lower input latency.

Lets say you want 45 fps. You run the screen as 90 hz. No frames mis vblank.

Running at 40fps allows the player to run at 40 and 80 hz.

I am pretty sure Valve knows math and the importance of having common demonators for screen refresh for input latency.
[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 9:04 
引用自 deaddoof
引用自 ?legit
Well, here we are, getting a 90hz screen on a device that can barely hold 60fps... :lunar2019grinningpig: Wait, sadly without VRR. Valve decided (idiotically) to not use this.
Do you know math bro?

More denominators translate into lower input latency.

Lets say you want 45 fps. You run the screen as 90 hz. No frames mis vblank.

Running at 40fps allows the player to run at 40 and 80 hz.

I am pretty sure Valve knows math and the importance of having common demonators for screen refresh for input latency.
Yeah, and you know what that means? Being able to play at 72fps and 144hz on the legion go. Which I would certainly not do, as I'd much rather enjoy a high framerate and thus smooth experience.
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 9:09 
引用自 ?legit
Yeah, and you know what that means? Being able to play at 72fps and 144hz on the legion go. Which I would certainly not do, as I'd much rather enjoy a high framerate and thus smooth experience.


Are you telling me you don't use your legion go as a portable device? Use it as a docked setup. Got it. You want a small desktop machine.

Why are you comparing the legion go with the steam deck? Steam deck has configurable refresh rate.

We know the performance figures. Legion Go is not that much faster at 15 watt.
[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 9:10 
引用自 Drak3
引用自 ?legit
Well, here we are, getting a 90hz screen on a device that can barely hold 60fps... :lunar2019grinningpig: Wait, sadly without VRR. Valve decided (idiotically) to not use this.
In all likelihood, Valve is probably going to maintain the incremental refresh rate settings that can be tied to per game profiles, meaning that people can still easily match the FPS to the refresh rate.
That's still no excuse for the lack of VRR.
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 9:17 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 Drak3
In all likelihood, Valve is probably going to maintain the incremental refresh rate settings that can be tied to per game profiles, meaning that people can still easily match the FPS to the refresh rate.
That's still no excuse for the lack of VRR.

Easy excuse. They are waiting for the price to go down. Valve wanted to sell an OLED display at $550. They sold an oled display at 550. They couldnt sell oled and VRR at $550.
Rodrigo F. 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 9:30 
They said that about ROG Ally too.

And today people don't even remember it, everyone talks about the Steam Deck OLED.
[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 9:46 
引用自 Rodrigo F.
They said that about ROG Ally too.

And today people don't even remember it, everyone talks about the Steam Deck OLED.
If you do some research, you will realize that many people do prefer the ally, because it's a very slim device, much more portable than the steam deck, better performance, it comes with an overall better screen, including VRR. This makes it the perfect handheld for some people.
Tellic 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 9:58 
The locked down OS comment is wrong on at least three levels I think.

Firstly - the steam deck using a Linux based OS makes it one of the more 'free' operating systems - a lot of people are unfamiliar with Linux so feel it's alien and un-usable, but it actually frees you to do a lot you wouldn't be able to with Windows.

Secondly - although Windows is not currently 'locking' down users and what games they can play - I wouldn't bet against it.
Just look at what Google is doing with the Android OS on mobile phones. They have introduced all sorts of restrictions on how you can buy stuff ONLY through Google Play store apps (unless you completely root the device and void it's warranty).
On Android, if you read a book on Kindle and think I'll buy the next in the series - Kindle warns you about Android's policy of restricting purchases through Kindle unless Amazon pay for the privilege - so you have to go to the browser, buy the book there, then come back to Kindle.
This is the thin end of the wedge where the OS provider is trying to control all content and and dip their greedy tongues in to every single revenue stream - raising prices over all.
Don't put it past Microsoft that they may start to try to control more closely what games and content you can install on those devices - leading to price increases, or games just not being ported any more.
(So far, Valve have left the OS on the deck pretty open and customisable.)

Thirdly - you can just overwrite the OS if you want - just wipe it and install Windows anyway :steamhappy:
(Do we know how easy it is to install Linux on the Lenovo if we wanted to? :steammocking:)
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 10:14 
引用自 Tellic
The locked down OS comment is wrong on at least three levels I think.

Firstly - the steam deck using a Linux based OS makes it one of the more 'free' operating systems - a lot of people are unfamiliar with Linux so feel it's alien and un-usable, but it actually frees you to do a lot you wouldn't be able to with Windows.

Secondly - although Windows is not currently 'locking' down users and what games they can play - I wouldn't bet against it.
Just look at what Google is doing with the Android OS on mobile phones. They have introduced all sorts of restrictions on how you can buy stuff ONLY through Google Play store apps (unless you completely root the device and void it's warranty).
On Android, if you read a book on Kindle and think I'll buy the next in the series - Kindle warns you about Android's policy of restricting purchases through Kindle unless Amazon pay for the privilege - so you have to go to the browser, buy the book there, then come back to Kindle.
This is the thin end of the wedge where the OS provider is trying to control all content and and dip their greedy tongues in to every single revenue stream - raising prices over all.
Don't put it past Microsoft that they may start to try to control more closely what games and content you can install on those devices - leading to price increases, or games just not being ported any more.
(So far, Valve have left the OS on the deck pretty open and customisable.)

Thirdly - you can just overwrite the OS if you want - just wipe it and install Windows anyway :steamhappy:
(Do we know how easy it is to install Linux on the Lenovo if we wanted to? :steammocking:)


You are talking about the OP. The OP throws words around without care. At a certain point, we will be arguing against the dictionary because the OP refuses to believe the words means something different than the OP thinks.
Tellic 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 10:25 
引用自 deaddoof
引用自 Tellic
The locked down OS comment is wrong on at least three levels I think.

Firstly - the steam deck using a Linux based OS makes it one of the more 'free' operating systems - a lot of people are unfamiliar with Linux so feel it's alien and un-usable, but it actually frees you to do a lot you wouldn't be able to with Windows.

Secondly - although Windows is not currently 'locking' down users and what games they can play - I wouldn't bet against it.
Just look at what Google is doing with the Android OS on mobile phones. They have introduced all sorts of restrictions on how you can buy stuff ONLY through Google Play store apps (unless you completely root the device and void it's warranty).
On Android, if you read a book on Kindle and think I'll buy the next in the series - Kindle warns you about Android's policy of restricting purchases through Kindle unless Amazon pay for the privilege - so you have to go to the browser, buy the book there, then come back to Kindle.
This is the thin end of the wedge where the OS provider is trying to control all content and and dip their greedy tongues in to every single revenue stream - raising prices over all.
Don't put it past Microsoft that they may start to try to control more closely what games and content you can install on those devices - leading to price increases, or games just not being ported any more.
(So far, Valve have left the OS on the deck pretty open and customisable.)

Thirdly - you can just overwrite the OS if you want - just wipe it and install Windows anyway :steamhappy:
(Do we know how easy it is to install Linux on the Lenovo if we wanted to? :steammocking:)


You are talking about the OP. The OP throws words around without care. At a certain point, we will be arguing against the dictionary because the OP refuses to believe the words means something different than the OP thinks.

Fair point lol. This was one of those threads I had to reply to the OP before seeing there were pages and pages of replies already.

I'll stand by my points though - Valve went with a Linux OS to prevent Microsoft from being in a position to dictate terms and raise prices even more. Why else do Valve try to support Windows, Mac, & Linux? Because they're trying to stay out from under the thumb of one of the big OS providers 'locking' them down.
Boblin the Goblin 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 10:42 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 Rodrigo F.
They said that about ROG Ally too.

And today people don't even remember it, everyone talks about the Steam Deck OLED.
If you do some research, you will realize that many people do prefer the ally, because it's a very slim device, much more portable than the steam deck, better performance, it comes with an overall better screen, including VRR. This makes it the perfect handheld for some people.

Don't forget about frying SD cards because they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the thermals trying to get it out quickly.
fender178 2023 年 11 月 13 日 上午 11:17 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 Drak3
In all likelihood, Valve is probably going to maintain the incremental refresh rate settings that can be tied to per game profiles, meaning that people can still easily match the FPS to the refresh rate.
That's still no excuse for the lack of VRR.
Then where's Lenovo's excuse then? They dropped the ball as well by not having VRR as well with the Legion Go.
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