Did the Lenovo Legion go just kill the steam deck?

[[?]legit]

Yeah, this thing is a beast. 97% DCI-P3 color gamut, 144hz and a whopping QHD + resolution... :O Detachable sides, a huge screen and more importantly: Magnetic Hall sticks.

It's also worth to note that it isn't locked down behind a restrictive OS (such as bottleneckOS a.k.a. steamOS).

Thank you Valve for opening the desktop handheld market, and thank you Lenovo for developing a far better product.

[Nathan]

2/10

[Boblin the Goblin]

Someone read the pamphlet.

[bean]

No, the steam deck looked like it was in trouble but late in the 5th round it managed to detach the legion's joysticks and proceeded to spend the next 7 sitting on the legion go's chest and beating it with its now detached appendages while repeatedly yelling 'why are you hitting yourself? why are you hitting yourself?'

In true older brother from another mother.. board.. fashion.

[RedBaronK™]

I tell ya what... The deck certainly is one of those products where either the people really love it, or really hate it. Seen quite a few of these types of posts where someone really goes out of their way to hate on it.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by RedBaronK™:

I tell ya what... The deck certainly is one of those products where either the people really love it, or really hate it. Seen quite a few of these types of posts where someone really goes out of their way to hate on it.

Take a look at post history or just browse other topics here.

[deaddoof]

Originally posted by ?legit:

It's also worth to note that it isn't locked down behind a restrictive OS (such as bottleneckOS a.k.a. steamOS).

SteamOS isn't locked down....

97% DCI-P3 color gamut, 144hz and a whopping QHD + resolution... :O Detachable sides,

I do find it quite funny. ps/2:2808-1015-fts3528-00-2808-1015 is a lenovo touchscreen. Of course lenovo can source better parts than Valve.

https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=bff4d1ca46

[ingramli]

Too many people only focus on hardware specifications, overlook other important factors....if one have watch its "preview" by Russ (Retro Game Corps), he should knows the Legion is far from a perfect product, it got meh ergonomic compare to deck (which is one of the strongest point of deck, even AYANEO' latest flagship, Kun, did not beat the deck when it comes to ergonomic despite its (much) bigger form factor. Also the d-pad of Legion was not top-notch, no variable refresh rate, there are plenty left on the table even one do not take the inherent shortcoming of a windows handheld into account.....

Also it is also worthwhile to mention that, the deck was not "locked" behind any specific OS, you can install whatever you wish on it, unlike the iPhone which come with a locked bootloader preventing you to use anything other than iOS. Windows or linux, your choice, and to be honest the experience of windows on a 7 inch device isn't great, too small for touch control, poor joystick support outside game, unreliable sleep mode.... it got the perfect compatibility for running windows games, but the good things pretty much ends there.

[SparkyLab]

( maybe not liking the Deck ) You ( OP ) just can't let it rest and have to keep finding excuse to put Deck down?
I think some people who visit the Steam Deck page often by now knows you don't like the Deck, I don't get why you just can't let it rest and stay away from this page, lol! You are a stubborn mule and I am glad you are not anyone I know in RL.

[Haruspex]

It's a beast, for sure. Same chip as the ROG Ally. Pushed hard, it will run circles around the Deck in terms of performance.

And that's exactly the problem with it.

The Ryzen Z1 Extreme APU is absolutely more powerful than the custom AMD APU in the Steam Deck. It can be pushed up to a 30 watt TDP, which is double what the Steam Deck's TDP runs at. So pushed hard, games will have a lot more performance available to them for sure.

But these are battery powered, portable devices. Remember how much people whined about the Steam Deck's worst-case-scenario 1.5 hour battery life when pushed to the limit? The ROG Ally has a 40 minute battery life when pushed to it's limit. That device has a 40Wh battery. Same as the Deck. The Legion GO has a 49.2Wh battery, so a little bigger. Assuming similar power draw for other components, this means we can still expect a worst-case-scenario battery life of under an hour on the Legion Go.

Then the Deck has proven to have better performance at lower TDP than any Z1 Extreme device. This means when you limit the TDP to 8-9 watts to save battery, the Deck performs better than the ROG Ally, and we can assume the Legion Go as well.

The rest of the device, like other competitors, just suffers from a case of "bigger number better", without actually taking realistic use-case into account. A 1600p display is overkill for the 8.8" screen, and most demanding games will run better at lower resolutions anyway, rendering that spec moot.

Keep in mind, like the Ally, I'm not crapping on the device. I'm sure it will find it's niche. Since it's running Windows, people who really want to play Destiny 2 and Fortnite will find it more suitable for them.

Of course there's also the issue of support. Valve has a very good reason to continue support for the Deck. Like a console, good Deck support means more Steam sales, and vice versa. These other devices don't have any actual reason to support them beyond the initial sale.

[deaddoof]

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Of course there's also the issue of support. Valve has a very good reason to continue support for the Deck. Like a console, good Deck support means more Steam sales, and vice versa. These other devices don't have any actual reason to support them beyond the initial sale.

Yep. Nintendo understands these problems well. I am predicting the switch 2 will be faster with slightly longer battery life than the deck. The device isn't a generation faster which means it can run ps5 games well. I presume the deck 2 will have native mesh shader support.

[invision2212]

OP is reaching hard

[Man's Best Friend]

Originally posted by invision2212:

OP is reaching hard

Personally I like how he tried to claim that the OS is locked down and restricted. As if you can't install whatever you want on it, or just replace the OS entirely. Sure, installing things from sources other than flatpaks isn't exactly supported, but it's not like you can't do it if you want.

[Silicon Vampire]

I’ll never buy anything from IBMs red-headed step-child. They have the worst parts availability I’ve ever seen from any electronics company.

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Silicon Vampire:

I’ll never buy anything from IBMs red-headed step-child. They have the worst parts availability I’ve ever seen from any electronics company.

I've been pretty happy with my little AMD Ryzen powered Lenovo laptop, and when I dropped it and cracked the back casing it was pretty easy to order a new one.

Maybe I got lucky though?

The biggest negative I can think of is Lenovo said my laptop did not have upgradable RAM. It came with 8 GB stock, and opening it up you can indeed find 4 GB soldered directly to the motherboard. Weirdly, the other 4 GB is on a standard RAM stick hiding under a metal heat spreader. I just swapped that out for a 16 GB stick for 20 GB total.

[Murasakino Rin]

is the the entire battery spec divided between the 2 controllers as well? but anyway the extra battery has also keep the sidecar controllers powered.