Steam Decks vs Rog Ally

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

If you like handheld pcs and you already own a steam deck(or if you are interested into buying a handheld device) are you actually interested in the new asus rog ally? If you don’t have a deck which one would you buy?
The Rog ally actually has a 1080 p screen and 120hz refresh screen. It’s also comes with windows which is kinda meh but since it’s a pc you can install linux on it

[Waifu4Life]

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

Unrelated babble, too absurd to try to parse. This thread is about Asus hardware. Why do you think the Rog Ally might suffer heat damage in 6 months and Asus will refuse the warranty? Do you have any specific examples of hardware produced by them where this was a widespread problem? Any specific recent Asus products with issues that did not also affect every other competitor of the same product type? Any price gouging or useless gamer bling that is also not being done by every other competitor? Go ahead and rewatch the one video you saw on Asus to see if it's helpful here.

Right...
15 seconds on Google, have a good read kid.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ASUS+issues&rlz=1C1CHBD_enCA958CA958&biw=1422&bih=641&tbs=qdr%3Ay&tbm=nws&ei=8F1qZIrUGs6gptQPhpGEgAg&ved=0ahUKEwiKjJi_gIf_AhVOkIkEHYYIAYAQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=ASUS+issues&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LW5ld3MQAzIICAAQigUQkQIyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BwgAEIoFEEM6BQgAEIAEOggIABCKBRCGAzoICAAQFhAeEA9Q8ApYpxFgzhRoAHAAeACAAYEBiAHkBZIBAzYuMpgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-news

[Gagdad⚫͗̃́̈̿̾̈͂̈́̏̏]

Yes, well done but thats more unrelated babble. If you search for MSI, Gigabyte, Sony, Steam or any other hardware manufacture you also get results. LOL just take the L dude. you're a low info youtube fan clearly out of your depth.

If not, here stop dodging the question: Why do you think the Rog Ally might suffer heat damage in 6 months and Asus will refuse the warranty? Do you have any specific examples of hardware produced by them where this was a widespread problem? Any specific recent Asus products with issues that did not also affect every other competitor of the same product type? You have no clue but see what you will invent to prevent admitting that. More ad hom I hope.

[Drak3]

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

Asus will refuse the warranty? D

Because prior to JayzTwoCents and Gamers Nexus' videos covering how ASUS handled excessive VSOC on AM5 X3D CPUs, ASUS's terms and conditions for warranty stated that beta BIOS versions explicitly voided warranties, and tried delaying GN's coverage by reaching out to GN for an interview to subsequently ghost Steve. Not exactly confidence inspiring when ASUS also pushed out a beta BIOS as the only fix for VSOC issues at the time.

It also doesn't help when ASUS has garnered a reputation for refusing RMAs on DOA components, causing mass issues with their own routers by screwing up a server settings file, and having early runs of many of their liquid metal equipped laptops running near Tj Max and seeing improvements when switching the LM out for conventional thermal paste (such as the 15" ROG Strix AMD Advantage edition).

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

LOL just take the unearned L dude. I'm a low info ASUS fan clearly out of my depth.

There, fixed that for you.

[Murasakino Rin]

considering they released a "BETA" BIOS that they encouraged people to use to fix a problem that ended voiding warranties. there was also a problem where they were installing chips upside down and causing boards to catch fire. and we dont really know what their stance on opening the ally is. (or rather none has been said in more common spaces on non-ally boards)

I really dont know how to answer the OP's question, maybe if they released before the steam deck. i was looking into this form factor for a bit before it was announced and nothing was in a range where it was worth getting before the Steam Deck. but now that i have a deck, its form factor is maybe the best part of it and would hard for any other device to replace it now. (also getting away from windows is major plus)

keeping a open mind about the handheld space opening up. i hope nothing goes wrong with the Ally and it goes well for them without the problems. but certain things need to be cleared up though.

[Gagdad⚫͗̃́̈̿̾̈͂̈́̏̏]

Origineel geplaatst door Drak3:

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

Asus will refuse the warranty? D

Because prior to JayzTwoCents and Gamers Nexus' videos covering how ASUS handled excessive VSOC on AM5 X3D CPUs, ASUS's terms and conditions for warranty stated that beta BIOS versions explicitly voided warranties, and tried delaying GN's coverage by reaching out to GN for an interview to subsequently ghost Steve. Not exactly confidence inspiring when ASUS also pushed out a beta BIOS as the only fix for VSOC issues at the time.

It also doesn't help when ASUS has garnered a reputation for refusing RMAs on DOA components, causing mass issues with their own routers by screwing up a server settings file, and having early runs of many of their liquid metal equipped laptops running near Tj Max and seeing improvements when switching the LM out for conventional thermal paste (such as the 15" ROG Strix AMD Advantage edition).

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

LOL just take the unearned L dude. I'm a low info ASUS fan clearly out of my depth.

There, fixed that for you.

Nice white knight attempt but you fall flat on your face. Every single board manufacturer was affected by that issue. AMD clearly goofed on communication. They all panic scrambled to make beta BIOSes. As of a week ago Asus was one of the few with a stable non-beta Bios out that completely fixes. VSoC voltage is well under limit with Expo on. They put out a statement that warranties cover the beta Bios, and none of the 5 (yes 5!) people who reported the issue were denied warranty. Storm in a teacup for low info ad clickers. And lol at your ad hom attempt, I rarely buy Asus gamer bling garbage boards, the cheapest deal with required features every time.

All of the manufacturers have had complaints about RMAs. All of them. Search your same youtube sources and see them complaining recently far more dramatically about the other big brands. This is just flavor of the month.

Since you want to bail him out: why do you think the Rog Ally might suffer heat damage in 6 months and Asus will refuse the warranty? Be specific. Or maybe talking sense to grown men with actual anime avatars is a waste of time. So we both learned something today then.

[Mr.Gold]

I came from the "will preorder asap" camp to the "meh, I'll see". The Deck for me is still the best. I own it and if I didn't and knew what I know, I would still buy the deck. I think that despite being weaker, it is the better device of the 2. Better inputs, shader cache, plenty of performance for 800p gaming at 30 to 40 fps for AAA titles. I can repair it myself, great desktop Linux experience, I can work with it... It is an incredible device and the more that are sold, the more companies will target the deck's hardware as a baseline and the better pc games and ports we will have.

The deck is the best purchase I have ever made.

[Drak3]

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

Nice white knight attempt but you fall flat on your face. Every single board manufacturer was affected by that issue. AMD clearly goofed on communication. They all panic scrambled to make beta BIOSes.

ASUS was the only one that had warranty terms that explicitly stated that said beta BIOS would void the warranty.
Oh, and double checking GN's coverage, the first beta BIOS that was supposed to fix the issue, didn't. ASUS's EXPO 2 configuration pushed 1.34V but was reported as 1.3V, overriding AGESA 1.0.0.7's VSOC limit.
By the way, the reason ASUS of all companies to catch flak for it, was because while all manufacturers have seen issues, ASUS customers started running into issues first and at an initially higher rate, with ASUS's boards having a known second failure with inadequate (too high) OCP that mutually destroys the mainboard, with ASUS's response in particular just being shady as hell.

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

Since you want to bail him out: why do you think the Rog Ally might suffer heat damage in 6 months and Asus will refuse the warranty? Be specific.

I personally don't think the Ally will run into issues with thermals beyond general trends with handheld x86 machines as a whole. However, here's two reasons that make anyone else's concern a quite reasonable stance:
ASUS's beta BIOS voiding warranties clause.
Early G513QY laptops thermal throttling and even dying due to shoddy liquid metal application, with later revisions not exhibiting issues still hitting 95C on moderate workloads without manually tuning both power and fan profiles beyond what ASUS considers acceptable.

Origineel geplaatst door BlueCanine:

Linus from Linus Tech Tips talked to Asus. It turns out that Asus has always stated that beta bios would void warranty, so that warning automatically gets attached to it. They stated they were concentrating on creating a fix, but didn't worry about the PR side of things. They told Linus that they have already removed that warning from that version of the bios, though it would take some time for it to propagate to all their related sites. They stated they didn't have any intention of canceling warranties for use of that beta bios.

LTT isn't exactly the most credible source when it comes to these types of issues. Sure, ASUS told LTT that, and LTT would repeat it. But conversely, they reached out to Gamers Nexus and subseuently ghosted them when Steve said that the entire conversation would be recorded and uploaded.

The "Concentrate on the fix, not PR" angle also doesn't make sense. The firmware dev team is distinct from the marketing or legal departments, so issuing statements and talking to Gamers Nexus wouldn't have pulled any resources from developing the beta BIOS.

Prior to GN and J2C's coverage, ASUS' response was to (try to) sweep the issue under the rug.

[Ben Bernanke]

I think AMD is soon releasing new gaming laptop apus that are possibly much better than PS5.
wait for those b4 buying $900 handheld...

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Origineel geplaatst door Ben Bernanke:

I think AMD is soon releasing new gaming laptop apus that are possibly much better than PS5.
wait for those b4 buying $900 handheld...

I would honestly wait for the new laptops or a better handheld altogether. The ROG Ally suffers from battery issues, it doesn't have trackpads, and Windows is buggy. Watch this video to see why Steam Deck is better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5oHS7CA6Qo

[Gagdad⚫͗̃́̈̿̾̈͂̈́̏̏]

Origineel geplaatst door Drak3:

I personally don't think the Ally will run into issues with thermals beyond general trends with handheld x86 machines as a whole.

Nice L dude. Next time don't clown around just because a tech tuber puts out a panic video.

[Drak3]

Origineel geplaatst door walter melon:

Origineel geplaatst door Drak3:

I personally don't think the Ally will run into issues with thermals beyond general trends with handheld x86 machines as a whole.

Nice L dude. Next time don't clown around just because a tech tuber puts out a panic video.

You really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

[PrivateXTC]

I'd take a Valve supported device over that any day. The Asus needs to be plugged in to outperform the Deck which makes it pointless. It's just a couch PC basically.

[Drak3]

Origineel geplaatst door BlueCanine:

Origineel geplaatst door BlackDragon875:

I would honestly wait for the new laptops or a better handheld altogether. The ROG Ally suffers from battery issues, it doesn't have trackpads, and Windows is buggy. Watch this video to see why Steam Deck is better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5oHS7CA6Qo

The video showed the ROG Ally out performing the Deck by a lot. The battery life really isn't that bad, still having plenty of time to play when not near a power outlet.

Don't need trackpads at all, if I want to play a game where I need trackpads to do the commends of a mouse, then I won't play that on a handheld anyways, I'll play those games on my desktop with a keyboard and a mouse. But now days, I maybe play 1 game per year that is a mouse/keyboard game, all other games are with an Xbox One controller anyways, which means I don't need a trackpad on a hand held.

There is no way I will spend nearly the same for a linux device that has less power and less compatibility, that is wasting money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMiEI7ojd8&t=

The Phawx's testing shows that the Ally only pulls ahead at higher TDPs, which hurts battery life. The Steam Deck outperforms most of its competition at 10W or lower TDP, which is where you can start getting decent battery life on a 40Wh battery (what both the Deck and Ally have).

The compatability thing is also a partial myth. Windows 11 doesn't support the entire Steam library of Windows either, only really having the edge in newer competitive titles that use anti cheats that aren't configured to run in Proton.

I also noticed that you just ignored the point about Windows being buggy. 11 has had tons of issues since launch, which is embarrassing since it's little more than a GUI update to 10, and it only gets worse with haldheld PCs.

[Mr.Gold]

Origineel geplaatst door Drak3:

Origineel geplaatst door BlueCanine:

The video showed the ROG Ally out performing the Deck by a lot. The battery life really isn't that bad, still having plenty of time to play when not near a power outlet.

Don't need trackpads at all, if I want to play a game where I need trackpads to do the commends of a mouse, then I won't play that on a handheld anyways, I'll play those games on my desktop with a keyboard and a mouse. But now days, I maybe play 1 game per year that is a mouse/keyboard game, all other games are with an Xbox One controller anyways, which means I don't need a trackpad on a hand held.

There is no way I will spend nearly the same for a linux device that has less power and less compatibility, that is wasting money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMiEI7ojd8&t=

The Phawx's testing shows that the Ally only pulls ahead at higher TDPs, which hurts battery life. The Steam Deck outperforms most of its competition at 10W or lower TDP, which is where you can start getting decent battery life on a 40Wh battery (what both the Deck and Ally have).

The compatability thing is also a partial myth. Windows 11 doesn't support the entire Steam library of Windows either, only really having the edge in newer competitive titles that use anti cheats that aren't configured to run in Proton.

I also noticed that you just ignored the point about Windows being buggy. 11 has had tons of issues since launch, which is embarrassing since it's little more than a GUI update to 10, and it only gets worse with haldheld PCs.

And lets not forget that Asus doesn't have access to the windows kernel while Valve has access to the Linux one. Windows 11 is a bloated mess with ads, spyware and resource intensive services that pull away from the task of running games and use power. Even if not that much. I suspect that the lack of performance at lower tdp comes from windows just not prioritizing the same way SteamOS does. It is just not built for mobile applications. Can Asus fix it? Probably not. Can microsoft fix it? Yes. I mean, the Xbox OS is a stripped down windows version. Will microsoft fix it though? Who knows. Is it even financially sensible to alter windows for a family of devices expected to sell in the hundreds of thousands?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door BlueCanine:

Origineel geplaatst door BlackDragon875:

I would honestly wait for the new laptops or a better handheld altogether. The ROG Ally suffers from battery issues, it doesn't have trackpads, and Windows is buggy. Watch this video to see why Steam Deck is better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5oHS7CA6Qo

The video showed the ROG Ally out performing the Deck by a lot. The battery life really isn't that bad, still having plenty of time to play when not near a power outlet.

Don't need trackpads at all, if I want to play a game where I need trackpads to do the commends of a mouse, then I won't play that on a handheld anyways, I'll play those games on my desktop with a keyboard and a mouse. But now days, I maybe play 1 game per year that is a mouse/keyboard game, all other games are with an Xbox One controller anyways, which means I don't need a trackpad on a hand held.

There is no way I will spend nearly the same for a linux device that has less power and less compatibility, that is wasting money.

You say the video shows the Ally outperforming by 'a lot' when in the wrap up he explains where the Ally falls short of the deck.

Specifically with how it handles games, power scaling, and optimization with it's battery and components.

The Ally is going for the brute force approach which already showing it's cracks. He even mentions one of the cracks which how embedded the Ally is with Windows.