Steam Decks vs Rog Ally

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

If you like handheld pcs and you already own a steam deck(or if you are interested into buying a handheld device) are you actually interested in the new asus rog ally? If you don’t have a deck which one would you buy?
The Rog ally actually has a 1080 p screen and 120hz refresh screen. It’s also comes with windows which is kinda meh but since it’s a pc you can install linux on it

[fender178]

Publicado originalmente por Mr.Gold:

Publicado originalmente por fender178:

If had the extra cash and wanted to get a Windows based handheld I would go for the GDPWin max 2 2023 version with the 7840U and LPDDR5X 7500 RAM because that thing in a quite a few titles spanks the ROG Ally due to the faster RAM speeds which really helps the APU. However I am happy with the Steam Deck and I am just going to save up for a new gaming laptop.

And this is an excellent point. Two points actually. For a little more than the Ally I could get a laptop that would give me the performance More than the Ally or the GPD win2/4 or aya neos of this world. So if you don't want to game on the go with a handheld, why would you even get an Ally? Just get a laptop. Better performance. The reverse of this coin is that when people ask me about recomendations for a laptop. I urge them to cobsider a deck and some peripherals because hardware wise, the 64GB version pf the deck is unbeatable for the price.

Yeah at $400 bucks the price per performance of the Steam Deck is unmatched. You can't even get a decent gaming laptop at that price. Them AMD Mendocino based laptops don't come that cheap.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por Mr.Gold:

Windows shaders are compiled as you go along introducing microstutters. Valve's deck precompiles them making the games runs smoother and better (very noticeable on the Witcher 3 for instance).

You missunderstood my FSR comment. I was saying that at lower TDPs, if you don't want to be playing with bad image quality (1080p panel downsampled to 720p) you will need to rely heavily on FSR. Now I use FSR on the deck in a lot of games as I find that in most cases FSR in quality mode and some extra nobs on the graphics settings turned up produce better image quality. In the Ally, with a 1080p screen, you will need to go performance or ultra performance to run at "enhanced" FPS which loses the visual clarity producing a worse looking image.

Plugging in an external GPU is nice and the only thing I wish my deck would do. It is not essencial as I use my deck on the go most of the time and when docked to a 1080p panel I usually just downgrade FSR slightly and get consistent results. The ability to mod the ASUS system is a "what if" and I am not convinced it will happen. And the cost of ASUS eGPUs is so ridiculously expensive that I think defeats the purpose.

Besides eGPU you still haven't mentioned what capabilities you are talking about.

Yes, next year's 8th series APUs will be more of a jump supposedly than 7th series. What are you going to do then? Fork out another 800 bucks for a new device that you will use for a year or two? Valve's mission with the deck is to provide a baseline level of hardware that is competent enough so developers can target it. The fact it is a multi generational device is a strength not a weakness. It is what allows for shader pre compilation for instance. ASUS has given no indication of officially supporting DIY repairs. Certainly not on the level of the deck.

You seem to want to buy an Ally so do it. As I said, I hope you will be as happy with it as I am with my Steam Deck. But you don't need to try and logic loop around it to try and justify it and put the deck on a worse light. The deck is incredible and will have longevity. I see the Ally as a device that will lock you in the endless upgrade cycle that the deck broke.

Shader compiling only happens on the fly when games don’t introduce it. When games do, like COD. There’s no micro stuttering. It renders your argument useless. Not to mention UE5 fixes this issue. Look. The ally is better. That’s it and that’s all. I’m done going back and forth with you. You will not change my mind and Valve will never see my money for their Deck and their future games. Period.

So why are you in the Deck forums if you're never going to buy one or aren't even interested in one?

[Drak3]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Shader compiling only happens on the fly when games don’t introduce it. When games do, like COD. There’s no micro stuttering. It renders your argument useless. Not to mention UE5 fixes this issue. Look. The ally is better. That’s it and that’s all. I’m done going back and forth with you. You will not change my mind and Valve will never see my money for their Deck and their future games. Period.

So why are you in the Deck forums if you're never going to buy one or aren't even interested in one?

Typically they’re trolling or fanboying.

[Mr.Gold]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

So why are you in the Deck forums if you're never going to buy one or aren't even interested in one?

Trolling and baiting. I don't care though. I have been thinking about this for a while and it is good to have some adversarial arguments. If anything it made me even more confident on the deck as a platform.

[KripTed]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Shader compiling only happens on the fly when games don’t introduce it. When games do, like COD. There’s no micro stuttering. It renders your argument useless. Not to mention UE5 fixes this issue. Look. The ally is better. That’s it and that’s all. I’m done going back and forth with you. You will not change my mind and Valve will never see my money for their Deck and their future games. Period.

So why are you in the Deck forums if you're never going to buy one or aren't even interested in one?

Because I’m happy someone is finally putting Steam/Valve in their place. Now all we need is someone to make a better distribution program on this platform comparable to Steam. Hopefully one day. Also because it’s about ROG Ally vs Steam Deck.

Publicado originalmente por Drak3:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

So why are you in the Deck forums if you're never going to buy one or aren't even interested in one?

Typically they’re trolling or fanboying.

Can say the same about the Deck supporters, no?

Publicado originalmente por Mr.Gold:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

So why are you in the Deck forums if you're never going to buy one or aren't even interested in one?

Trolling and baiting. I don't care though. I have been thinking about this for a while and it is good to have some adversarial arguments. If anything it made me even more confident on the deck as a platform.

Lol. Confident in that 40-50 fps in a OS that is barely compatible with most games, at 60Hz? Since when is being honest and critical, as well as giving facts, trolling and baiting? If so, then okay. You guys are just coping.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

So why are you in the Deck forums if you're never going to buy one or aren't even interested in one?

Because I’m happy someone is finally putting Steam/Valve in their place.

Uh huh.

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por Mr.Gold:

Trolling and baiting. I don't care though. I have been thinking about this for a while and it is good to have some adversarial arguments. If anything it made me even more confident on the deck as a platform.

Lol. Confident in that 40-50 fps in a OS that is barely compatible with most games? Since when is being honest and critical, as well as giving facts, trolling and baiting? If so, then Okay. You guys are just coping.

You guys keep repeating this 'barely compatible' when I've posted actual stats of the compatibility with the Deck. You have also been anything but honest and critical. You already claimed the Ally can run games at 120fps.

[KripTed]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Because I’m happy someone is finally putting Steam/Valve in their place.

Uh huh.

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Lol. Confident in that 40-50 fps in a OS that is barely compatible with most games? Since when is being honest and critical, as well as giving facts, trolling and baiting? If so, then Okay. You guys are just coping.

You guys keep repeating this 'barely compatible' when I've posted actual stats of the compatibility with the Deck. You have also been anything but honest and critical. You already claimed the Ally can run games at 120fps.

It is. It lacks games because of their horrid OS. You literally have to search which games run. It’s why you constantly see forum posts asking and begging for Steam Deck support. Some games it can. Unlike your little deck stuck at 40 fps on 60Hz that was designed by MAC developers. Anyways, enjoy your flop. Take care.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Uh huh.




You guys keep repeating this 'barely compatible' when I've posted actual stats of the compatibility with the Deck. You have also been anything but honest and critical. You already claimed the Ally can run games at 120fps.

It is. It lacks games because of their horrid OS. You literally have to search which games run. It’s why you constantly see forum posts asking and begging for Steam Deck support. Some games it can. Unlike your little deck stuck at 40 fps on 60Hz that was designed by MAC developers. Anyways, enjoy your flop. Take care.

People are asking for support based on the badge on the store page which doesn't really mean much. Even in ProtonDB, a good amount of games rated working don't have the badge on the store page.

Asking is also due to controller support. Which if the game doesn't have proper controller support, it won't make a difference if you use the Ally or Deck, you'll most likely need a external mouse(not for the Deck because of the trackpads) and maybe a keyboard.

You have yet to show a semi-demanding game running at 120fps on the Ally like I asked a few pages ago.

I don't know how you can call 1.5mil units in a year a flop but as displayed constantly, you seem just throw words and claims out.

[KripTed]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

It is. It lacks games because of their horrid OS. You literally have to search which games run. It’s why you constantly see forum posts asking and begging for Steam Deck support. Some games it can. Unlike your little deck.

People are asking for support based on the badge on the store page which doesn't really mean much. Even in ProtonDB, a good amount of games rated working don't have the badge on the store page.

Asking is also due to controller support. Which if the game doesn't have proper controller support, it won't make a difference if you use the Ally or Deck, you'll most likely need a external mouse(not for the Deck because of the trackpads) and maybe a keyboard.

You have yet to show a semi-demanding game running at 120fps on the Ally like I asked a few pages ago.

I’m done. The ROG Ally has already been proven to beat the Deck’s performance. Simple Youtube videos show this. Older games will definitely hit that 120 fps mark, while newer ones hit about 60-80. Like I said. Take care.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

People are asking for support based on the badge on the store page which doesn't really mean much. Even in ProtonDB, a good amount of games rated working don't have the badge on the store page.

Asking is also due to controller support. Which if the game doesn't have proper controller support, it won't make a difference if you use the Ally or Deck, you'll most likely need a external mouse(not for the Deck because of the trackpads) and maybe a keyboard.

You have yet to show a semi-demanding game running at 120fps on the Ally like I asked a few pages ago.

I’m done. The ROG Ally has already been proven to beat the Deck’s performance. Simple Youtube videos show this. Older games will definitely hit that 120 fps mark, while newer ones hit about 80. Like I said. Take care.

So there aren't any.

Cool. I figured as much with how evasive you were with the question.

[fender178]

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Uh huh.




You guys keep repeating this 'barely compatible' when I've posted actual stats of the compatibility with the Deck. You have also been anything but honest and critical. You already claimed the Ally can run games at 120fps.

It is. It lacks games because of their horrid OS. You literally have to search which games run. It’s why you constantly see forum posts asking and begging for Steam Deck support. Some games it can. Unlike your little deck stuck at 40 fps on 60Hz that was designed by MAC developers.

The Ally's performance isn't reaching 120 FPS in modern AAA games. Yeah with E-Sports games and older games it could reach 120 fps but not with Modern titles. As with Compatibility what games besides games that have some sort of Anti-Cheat that isn't supported by the Deck or gaming Linux desktops that users are having issues running under some flavor of Linux? Also you miss the point entirely on what the Steam Deck is about with a statement like "Unlike your little deck stuck at 40fps on 60hz designed my MAC developers. The Steam Deck is targeted as a low powered gaming handled PC. While the Ally is targeted as higher powered Gaming handheld PC. Also Linux WAS NOT designed my MAC developers because Linux existed even before MAC started using Unix as its base for its OS.

[Mr.Gold]

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

People are asking for support based on the badge on the store page which doesn't really mean much. Even in ProtonDB, a good amount of games rated working don't have the badge on the store page.

Asking is also due to controller support. Which if the game doesn't have proper controller support, it won't make a difference if you use the Ally or Deck, you'll most likely need a external mouse(not for the Deck because of the trackpads) and maybe a keyboard.

You have yet to show a semi-demanding game running at 120fps on the Ally like I asked a few pages ago.

I’m done. The ROG Ally has already been proven to beat the Deck’s performance. Simple Youtube videos show this. Older games will definitely hit that 120 fps mark, while newer ones hit about 60-80. Like I said. Take care.

60 at 720p low settings. Or 1080p with FSR on ultra performance and low settings. Thole OS on the deck is probably the best thing on the deck. Super low level access, hardly uses any resources in gaming mode. Windows is a general purpose OS it will nevee be as effi ient as the deck in pure gaming. And Valve's deck is selling hindreds of thousands of units a quarter. Far more than the ROG Ally will likely sell over the lifetime of the device. And both devices are aiming at different things. Valve is not being put "in their place" as you claim. And I don't even understand what that means. I mean did it so deeply offended you that Valve dared to put out a handheld? What dpes that even mean?

[fender178]

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

People are asking for support based on the badge on the store page which doesn't really mean much. Even in ProtonDB, a good amount of games rated working don't have the badge on the store page.

Asking is also due to controller support. Which if the game doesn't have proper controller support, it won't make a difference if you use the Ally or Deck, you'll most likely need a external mouse(not for the Deck because of the trackpads) and maybe a keyboard.

You have yet to show a semi-demanding game running at 120fps on the Ally like I asked a few pages ago.

I’m done. The ROG Ally has already been proven to beat the Deck’s performance. Simple Youtube videos show this. Older games will definitely hit that 120 fps mark, while newer ones hit about 60-80. Like I said. Take care.

Nope you are partially wrong here. It depends on what Wattage you are playing on. If you are playing the Ally at 20-25W Then Yes the Ally spanks the Deck in terms of performance but it is NOT 2x the performance of the deck unlike that stupid Asus marketing BS says. At 10W and Lower the Steam Deck is the king here. The Ally can't even hold a candle to the Deck at 10W.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por fender178:

Publicado originalmente por KripTed:

I’m done. The ROG Ally has already been proven to beat the Deck’s performance. Simple Youtube videos show this. Older games will definitely hit that 120 fps mark, while newer ones hit about 60-80. Like I said. Take care.

Nope you are partially wrong here. It depends on what Wattage you are playing on. If you are playing the Ally at 20-25W Then Yes the Ally spanks the Deck in terms of performance but it is NOT 2x the performance of the deck unlike that stupid Asus marketing BS says. At 10W and Lower the Steam Deck is the king here. The Ally can't even hold a candle to the Deck at 10W.

I also just learned the Ally doesn't have a sleep/resume feature that the Deck has. That's a big issue.

[Drak3]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por fender178:

Nope you are partially wrong here. It depends on what Wattage you are playing on. If you are playing the Ally at 20-25W Then Yes the Ally spanks the Deck in terms of performance but it is NOT 2x the performance of the deck unlike that stupid Asus marketing BS says. At 10W and Lower the Steam Deck is the king here. The Ally can't even hold a candle to the Deck at 10W.

I also just learned the Ally doesn't have a sleep/resume feature that the Deck has. That's a big issue.

That’s a Windows wide issue, every handheld other than the Deck won’t have sleep/resume either. I don’t know if mainline Linux distros have the feature or not.