Steam Deck

Steam Deck

Please release a 32GB ram version!
On my deck, i cap out the memory too often in desktop mode freezing the deck pretty much daily due to my power user habits lol. And Hogwarts legacy for instance easily uses all the memory on lowest with fsr1 performance, so would be delightful to have 32GB ram as it then had memory to buffer properly and not stutter badly because it had to flush what's behind to load more in front with barely any spare memory to go.
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Falkentyne 2023 年 2 月 19 日 下午 8:19 
引用自 ⎛⎝Duckers McQuack⎠⎞
On my deck, i cap out the memory too often in desktop mode freezing the deck pretty much daily due to my power user habits lol. And Hogwarts legacy for instance easily uses all the memory on lowest with fsr1 performance, so would be delightful to have 32GB ram as it then had memory to buffer properly and not stutter badly because it had to flush what's behind to load more in front with barely any spare memory to go.

This won't help. Just wait for the next gen version that will have a much faster APU (most likely AMD 7000 series), and these will definitely come with more RAM.
BENDER ₉₀₀₀ !? 2023 年 2 月 20 日 上午 8:29 
32GB is kind of overkill for a device like this. Doubtful there will be a large enough market to build something like that.
⎛⎝Duckers McQuack⎠⎞ 2023 年 2 月 20 日 下午 12:46 
32GB is kind of overkill for a device like this. Doubtful there will be a large enough market to build something like that.
Not at all. It has performance enough for just textures alone, but hogwarts legacy eats that up and stutters as it tries to dump old to load new.

引用自 Insignia
What are you doing that is taking up so much RAM?
I play video games. In this case, hogwarts legacy, and at lowest with FSR on performance, i cap out pretty much all the memory. and in desktop mode, i have a system freeze pretty muc daily because surprise, 16GB ram also means shared as video memory. I have 64GB ram, and with my power usages, i can easily use up these 16GB.
deaddoof 2023 年 2 月 20 日 下午 1:10 
How about resize you main home partition and create a SWAP partition?

The default SWAP size is way too low which is 1 GB. I would recommend make a 8-16 GB swap partition.
CJM 2023 年 2 月 20 日 下午 7:03 
引用自 deaddoof
How about resize you main home partition and create a SWAP partition?

The default SWAP size is way too low which is 1 GB. I would recommend make a 8-16 GB swap partition.
16GB is a fair amount of space to lose on a 256GB drive, given the size of modern games. If your largest game is 30GB, you should be fine, but I'm of the opinion the Deck should have a selection of games available, 4-5 or so. With 100GB games every GB counts.

That looks like a possible point of failure for the storage on the Steam Deck. I recently saw a post suggesting that the Deck may put too high a priority on swap, which might increase writes on that 1GB partition. I wonder how the drive will react with that 1GB partition is worn out from too many writes.
deaddoof 2023 年 2 月 21 日 上午 4:17 
引用自 CJM
引用自 deaddoof
How about resize you main home partition and create a SWAP partition?

The default SWAP size is way too low which is 1 GB. I would recommend make a 8-16 GB swap partition.
16GB is a fair amount of space to lose on a 256GB drive, given the size of modern games. If your largest game is 30GB, you should be fine, but I'm of the opinion the Deck should have a selection of games available, 4-5 or so. With 100GB games every GB counts.

That looks like a possible point of failure for the storage on the Steam Deck. I recently saw a post suggesting that the Deck may put too high a priority on swap, which might increase writes on that 1GB partition. I wonder how the drive will react with that 1GB partition is worn out from too many writes.

If you read the replies, I commented the OP doesn't understand OS topics like swap...

Desktop workloads are random and there are known freezing issues whenever swap is too low. Ubuntu got bit with 1 GB swap default. There were plenty of people who experience the OOM killer.

Btw, SSD can tolerate a ton of write. Writing swap when needed is not why SSD fails.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1675200/discussions/1/3387291961144501191/

OP, are you an OS engineer? I believe the Linux kernel knows the difference between SSD and RAM....

All OS performance devs say swap is a good thing. The OS memory allocator uses swap to reclaim pages. This process should happen even if main memory have plenty of space. You do not benefit stopping your housekeeper from doing its job.


https://pretalx.com/arch-conf-online-2020/talk/KWBUEU/

https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
https://prod.lwn.net/Articles/815342/
https://lwn.net/Articles/690079/

My criticism is the default 1GB swap is too small and has been known to be a bit problematic.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1966381
⎛⎝Duckers McQuack⎠⎞ 2023 年 10 月 7 日 上午 9:16 
引用自 deaddoof
How about resize you main home partition and create a SWAP partition?

The default SWAP size is way too low which is 1 GB. I would recommend make a 8-16 GB swap partition.

That's annoyingly slow. And swap is nvme "emergency ram" to not go to a system halt because no more physical ram. And also, using swap is a sure nvme killer as nvme's can only write so much.
Drak3 2023 年 10 月 7 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 deaddoof
How about resize you main home partition and create a SWAP partition?

The default SWAP size is way too low which is 1 GB. I would recommend make a 8-16 GB swap partition.
SWAP is a stopgap solution at best. PCIe doesn’t have the throughput or low latency to fake it when either is a factor in the work load, which means SWAP is basically an unacceptable non solution for gaming.
A move to more RAM is the better way forward, especially as demand for more RAM is outpacing the demand for more CPU or GPU power.
CameL 2023 年 10 月 7 日 上午 10:32 
id buy a Steam Deck With more Ram Fo sure
⎛⎝Duckers McQuack⎠⎞ 2023 年 10 月 7 日 上午 10:37 
引用自 Drak3
引用自 deaddoof
How about resize you main home partition and create a SWAP partition?

The default SWAP size is way too low which is 1 GB. I would recommend make a 8-16 GB swap partition.
SWAP is a stopgap solution at best. PCIe doesn’t have the throughput or low latency to fake it when either is a factor in the work load, which means SWAP is basically an unacceptable non solution for gaming.
A move to more RAM is the better way forward, especially as demand for more RAM is outpacing the demand for more CPU or GPU power.

Yep. I plan on doing the same ram upgrade as a guy in ohio who upgrades deck's with ram and wifi. And i plan to upgrade mine not only to 32GB ram, but go from 5700mhz was it, to 6400mhz, so faster ram too. And that not only helps in games to properly allocate all it needs, but also as i'm a poweruser in desktop mode. when i used deck as main pc when my main rig was down for a month, i had to hard reset deck several times daily as i kept forgetting i onkly had less than 16GB ram (less than because whenever i did anything that used HW accel, it uses ram as video memory, meaning less for programs). So 32GB would be a huge boost in more than one way.
OhItsSlick 2023 年 10 月 9 日 下午 8:39 
I accept orders for the memory upgrade if anyone here is interested in getting that done to their units.

https://www.slickbuysmodsandrepairs.com/
Moogal™ 2023 年 10 月 10 日 上午 4:31 
引用自 BENDER₉₀₀₀
Doubtful there will be a large enough market to build something like that.

Same.
deaddoof 2023 年 10 月 10 日 上午 5:38 
引用自 Drak3
引用自 deaddoof
How about resize you main home partition and create a SWAP partition?

The default SWAP size is way too low which is 1 GB. I would recommend make a 8-16 GB swap partition.
SWAP is a stopgap solution at best. PCIe doesn’t have the throughput or low latency to fake it when either is a factor in the work load, which means SWAP is basically an unacceptable non solution for gaming.
A move to more RAM is the better way forward, especially as demand for more RAM is outpacing the demand for more CPU or GPU power.


SWAP is a great solution for gaming.... Games are in memory databases. Swap ensure you have full dynamic use of your 16 GB and give your memory manager something else to play with. SWAP is does not replace RAM and vice versa...... I repeat. SWAP is not about replacing RAM. SWAP is not RAM of last resort. When it becomes RAM of last resort, yes you should be increasing RAM. However, Steam Deck ships with a joke amount of 1 GB SWAP. Every OS implementor will always say they implemented swap to reclaim anonymous pages and reduce in memory fragmentation. The whole point of swap is to allow the memory allocator to be more efficient.
deaddoof 2023 年 10 月 10 日 上午 5:48 

That's annoyingly slow. And swap is nvme "emergency ram" to not go to a system halt because no more physical ram.

All OS implementors run swap in non critical situations. SWAP is not emergency ram. All OS implementors do not treat swap as emergency ram. This myth has to die.

In fact, using swap during emergencies is a bad idea. Makes the whole system worse

Swap is not generally about getting emergency memory, it's about making memory reclamation egalitarian and efficient. In fact, using it as "emergency memory" is generally actively harmful.

Swap is added for other memory allocator benefits. It doesn't have to be as fast as RAM for swap to guarantee full memory throughput. Of course, it should be faster than SD cards.

And also, using swap is a sure nvme killer as nvme's can only write so much.

.....

Almost every test has shown SSD have pretty good durability overall. You must buy pretty awful nvme if they can be killed with Swapping. I digress only awful OS can excessively swap.

最后由 deaddoof 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 10 日 上午 5:51
ingramli 2023 年 10 月 10 日 上午 7:50 
For games that saturated all the 16GB RAM on deck, more often than not they are bounded by CPU/GPU anyway, sure double the amount of RAM could bring more stable frame time and better 1% low, but true game changing improvement will only occur with a complete set of hardware upgrade (CPU, GPU, RAM), for the hardware of the current deck, 16GB RAM is just right most of the time (the stock configuration is in fact quite balance, different bottlenecks across the board for various titles), not the component that hold back overall performance the most IMHO.....
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