For the love of god please disable auto-screen switching when using a usb-c dock!

[mcfly666]

Every time I use a usb-c dock (with hdmi/vga) in gaming mode the screen of the steam deck turns off. This is because it thinks you want to use the external screen, even if one isn't plugged in.

No I don't want to use an external screen, I just want to use the KB/M for some of my games in game mode. This default behaviour isn't very well thought out. A simple pop up 'do you want to use an external screen yes/no' would be better, or settings toggle(s) to change the default behaviour would suffice.

I really fail to see why this wasn't picked up and solution's weren't baked in from the very beginning.

[Cypherous]

Odd because when connected to my dock the screen doesn't automatically turn off, even with an external display connected, which dock are you using? does the dock have an external display connected when it switches off the screen or is it doing it even without a screen connected

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by mcfly666:

Every time I use a usb-c dock (with hdmi/vga) in gaming mode the screen of the steam deck turns off. This is because it thinks you want to use the external screen, even if one isn't plugged in.

No I don't want to use an external screen, I just want to use the KB/M for some of my games in game mode. This default behaviour isn't very well thought out. A simple pop up 'do you want to use an external screen yes/no' would be better, or settings toggle(s) to change the default behaviour would suffice.

I really fail to see why this wasn't picked up and solution's weren't baked in from the very beginning.

This is might be a dock issue. I've connected my deck to a dock for mouse use and it doesn't switch off.

[mcfly666]

Originally posted by Cypherous:

Odd because when connected to my dock the screen doesn't automatically turn off, even with an external display connected, which dock are you using? does the dock have an external display connected when it switches off the screen or is it doing it even without a screen connected

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Originally posted by mcfly666:

Every time I use a usb-c dock (with hdmi/vga) in gaming mode the screen of the steam deck turns off. This is because it thinks you want to use the external screen, even if one isn't plugged in.

No I don't want to use an external screen, I just want to use the KB/M for some of my games in game mode. This default behaviour isn't very well thought out. A simple pop up 'do you want to use an external screen yes/no' would be better, or settings toggle(s) to change the default behaviour would suffice.

I really fail to see why this wasn't picked up and solution's weren't baked in from the very beginning.

This is might be a dock issue. I've connected my deck to a dock for mouse use and it doesn't switch off.

The root of the problem is with the way the Deck handles external displays. If I go into the bios and plug the display in the screen does not switch off and I can boot and use the dock as it should be used. Only when the game mode has loaded does the behaviour arise (doesn't happen in desktop mode either) though switching from desktop to game mode will turn off the screen.

Needs a toggle at the O/S level to override the behaviour, no matter what dock you are using. The dock I'm using is here and apart from this issue, which isn't the fault of the dock it's been very good. The audio has the same behaviour, but it's easily rectified if you can see the screen.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09H44S96B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[RaySlay73]

I'm having this issue also. I have a 3rd party hub and I use a 10ft usb c female to male extention cable connected to it to play in bed but every time I go to game mode the screen turns black...the only way to turn the screen back on is to remove the hdmi cable from the hub and that annoying.

[sunspark]

You won't have this issue in desktop mode. The screen will stay on unless you go into the KDE settings and set it so that the screen turns off.

[deaddoof]

Why does the OP assume all hw setups are the same and all combinations are tested?

[mcfly666]

Originally posted by deaddoof:

Why does the OP assume all hw setups are the same and all combinations are tested?

Got nothing to do with assuming anything, if all hw setups and all combinations can't be tested (as you say) Then a better way of doing it is to allow users the option to control what happens loool

[deaddoof]

Originally posted by mcfly666:

Originally posted by deaddoof:

Why does the OP assume all hw setups are the same and all combinations are tested?

Got nothing to do with assuming anything, if all hw setups and all combinations can't be tested (as you say) Then a better way of doing it is to allow users the option to control what happens loool

so you want config hell where 1 out of 1k combinations work but you have to be lucky to hit it

[mcfly666]

Originally posted by deaddoof:

Originally posted by mcfly666:

Got nothing to do with assuming anything, if all hw setups and all combinations can't be tested (as you say) Then a better way of doing it is to allow users the option to control what happens loool

so you want config hell where 1 out of 1k combinations work but you have to be lucky to hit it

Gotta be strange to think you need 1000 combinations for control a simple toggle switch which enables/disables auto-switching. How is that "config hell" ?

[deaddoof]

Originally posted by mcfly666:

Originally posted by deaddoof:

so you want config hell where 1 out of 1k combinations work but you have to be lucky to hit it

Gotta be strange to think you need 1000 combinations for control a simple toggle switch which enables/disables auto-switching. How is that "config hell" ?

http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/

https://xkcd.com/1168/

Choice without transferrable value will lead to those 1k combinations. Future people will believe their choice is better and keep adding more choices to the mix. Sound on Linux is utter ♥♥♥♥ because of this giant choice. Our community have real scars for whatever you are asking.

https://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/05/sorry-state-of-sound-in-linux.html

https://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html

A good alternative is to code against a theoretical device and be able to discern whatever is wrong with the hardware. All the choices to reduce the amount of q/a coverage such that the cost to support the device is the cost to do linear validations aka reporting your bugs upstream............ I know it sucks to be all the sudden become the q/a point of contact with all the random patience but it is our current model.

[mcfly666]

Originally posted by deaddoof:

Originally posted by mcfly666:

Gotta be strange to think you need 1000 combinations for control a simple toggle switch which enables/disables auto-switching. How is that "config hell" ?

http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/

https://xkcd.com/1168/

Choice without transferrable value will lead to those 1k combinations. Future people will believe their choice is better and keep adding more choices to the mix. Sound on Linux is utter ♥♥♥♥ because of this giant choice. Our community have real scars for whatever you are asking.

https://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/05/sorry-state-of-sound-in-linux.html

https://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html

A good alternative is to code against a theoretical device and be able to discern whatever is wrong with the hardware. All the choices to reduce the amount of q/a coverage such that the cost to support the device is the cost to do linear validations aka reporting your bugs upstream............ I know it sucks to be all the sudden become the q/a point of contact with all the random patience but it is our current model.

Never heard such babble on here before, thanks for the giggle.

[deaddoof]

Originally posted by mcfly666:

Never heard such babble on here before, thanks for the giggle.

FYI, I was not joking about the 1k combinations.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120620024901/http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/?page_id=24

https://web.archive.org/web/20120111143756/http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/?p=5

* Has enormous number of functions (1500+ couple of years ago). Majority of the calls have not been used by any applications (even many applications use different functions than any others). Massive number of unnecessary library functions increases the memory footprint even further. And what about the CPU consumption? And will anybody be ever possible to document (or even test) all of them?

* Strange configuration file mechanism that requires degree in LISP programing to understand it.

* Not documented. Use the Source, Luke!

Hannu Sanslovan is the creator of OSSv4. He decided to take a look and try to virtualize ALSA userspace. Horrid.

We are still recovering from these bugs today. 10+ years of complete pain...... Look at the bugs about the steam deck. Many bugs I see on the steam deck can be trace to decisions started back then.

Please forgive me when I personally do not want to live through those times again. I believe hundreds millions to billions were wasted in those times.

[SexyBastardAlert!]

Instinctively knew not to buy this device, look at the games themselves that are pushed as "good." I've been reading about hardware failures, lack of performance, no Windows.

Ugh, glad you good people have some money to throw...lmao.

[deaddoof]

Originally posted by SexyBastardAlert!:

Instinctively knew not to buy this device, look at the games themselves that are pushed as "good." I've been reading about hardware failures, lack of performance, no Windows.

Ugh, glad you good people have some money to throw...lmao.

I am not sure what you mean. Steam deck has one of the lowest total cost of ownership handhelds due to steam sales and availability to find parts. Some of us uses it as a travel PC too to save carry weight.

Your instinct doesn't matter to be honest. Many of us are receiving the value everyday.

I am talking to the op about good intentions. I believe the op doesn't understand how increase combination cost can be killer to the community.

Op, you only need 9 other switches to reach 1k combination. 2^10 is 1024. If we have 10 switches, I prefer it stays 10 tests only. For that to be possible, we need to test against something.

[Chris FireFox]

I would prefer having the option to not be forced to sawich to hdmi output at times too