DELTARUNE

DELTARUNE

Tystefy 2021 年 9 月 18 日 下午 5:28
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The Chapter 2 "Iceberg" [Random Extreme Spoilers]
EDIT: I have added some corrections.

Here are some things I've noticed:

Despite the overall message of "your choices don't matter" in Chapter 1, a surprising amount of choices carry over into Chapter 2.

- Noelle will gift Susie a lunchbox full of chalk if you talked to her in town during Chapter 1. (That scene alone made speedrunning Chapter 1 again worth it)

- The ORIGINAL Starwalker will make several cameos in Chapter 2 if you talked to him in Chapter 1.

- Your Thrasher machine makes a comeback. Twice.


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Kris is a puppet. But for whom? The player? In addition, Kris is still able to assert some level of control with his facial expressions and inflection without player input.

- Kris tears out his soul to temporarily free himself from time to time. In Chapter 1, he was so fed up with being controlled that he devoured an entire pie just to feel like he was in control again. In chapter 2, he slashes Toriel's tires to ensure Susie will remain at the house while they open a dark fountain.
CORRECTION: Kris opened the portal in the computer lab at the end of Chapter 1 and then left his knife in the pie tin for an alibi. An alibi... to prove to whom? US? In the Chapter 2 ending, the camera remains with the heart- Kris is able to completely walk off camera on his own. We do not get to see what he does outside! Then he shoves his soul in-between the couch cushions to then open the portal- maybe he thought we couldn't see what he was doing if he did that?

- Kris has been known to occasionally play the piano at the hospital. When you try to play though, you fail. He also appears outraged when Susie remarks on their "skill". Kris knows how to play piano. YOU do not.

- Spamton G recognized that you were a puppet like himself. When Susie asks if you're okay after the fight, two things can happen: you say a strained, unconvincing "yes" or you outright scream "no".

- Kris' feelings towards Noelle are completely unknown. You can lean towards friendship or towards a romance yet the player decides all the dialogue. Kris is just there for the ride.
CORRECTION: Remember when I said Kris was still capable of influencing his voice and facial expressions? There are some in-game examples of Kris goofing around and seemingly enjoying himself with Noelle of his free will despite being puppeted. He is still able to take solace and comfort in some things.

- In Chapter 1, you can choose many dialogue options that imply you know of the events that happened in Undertale. You can talk to Undyne about Alphys. You can tell Sans "it's good to see you again" even though Kris and Sans have somehow never met.

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Then there's Kris' situation with Asriel.

- Kris is afraid college will have changed Asriel. Maybe he'll be too grown up to play anymore.

- If you give the gift to Noelle, she'll remark something along the lines of "haven't given her a gift since we were kids. Wait, does this mean you want things to be like they were?" This is Kris' fear and desire- he wants things to remain the same... to not grow up, to not change, to not drift apart from his childhood friends.

- Kris has googled "college break when".

- Kris refuses to peek inside Asriel's digitized room.

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Gaster scammed Spamton G.

- What is implied to be Gaster wants to open dark fountains to destroy the world.

- What is implied to be Gaster helped Spamton G to "become a big shot." Gaster later abandoned Spamton G to instead help Queen for unknown reasons (Gaster and Spamton seemed to have a falling out, maybe because Queen was willing to open a dark fountain and Spamton wasn't?)

- Spamton G only picks up the repeatedly-ringing phone when he is NEO. The sound of a ringing phone is also present in his theme song. It seems that he and Gaster only communicated through the phone before Spamton cut all contact with him. He is forever tormented by the ringing.

- What is the [missing hyperlink] that Spamton G tries to repeatedly "sell" us on?

- What is to be implied to be Gaster gifts you random eggs in each chapter. In addition, Spamton G has some remarks about "eggs" and his NEO phone shoots out eggs. Spamton G is even attacked by his own phone at one point.

- Who is Mike? Why is 1997 important to Spamton G? (It's literally a soda commercial from 1997. Toby you wily dog.)

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Noelle Stuff

- Noelle's mom might be the mayor (Alphys confirms the mayor is your neighbor)... and might also be a meh mother. Noelle is completely taken aback when Queen acts like a loving mother towards her at times.

- Kris has a history of pranking Noelle. This iwas the time before he became a puppet.

- The 25th of "last month" if very important to Noelle for some reason (it's Christmas).

- Noelle likes being scared. Like... to the point of being turned on by it (such as when her heart audibly thumps and she's smiling when Susie claims "if she was an enemy, we'd easily kill her" or whenshe goes on a tangent about Susie pushing her to the floor or something). Deers and adrenaline, eh? I guess that is the crux of why she crushes on Susie.

- Noelle's father is probably not going to recover.

- D E C E M B E R
CORRECTION: "December" is probably the name of Noelle's sister (of whom she refers to as "Dess"). I was getting some vibes that Dess might not be alive anymore... which might explain why Noelle was overwhelmed and failed the spelling bee when asked to spell "DECEMBER".

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Some misc things

- Susie is either an orphan or has neglectful / abusive parents. She does not call to tell them she's staying over at Kris'. Also, her posture immediately changes when she meets Toriel. She keeps her head up, back straight, and her shoulders back. She watches her language and even walks like a soldier when she goes to wash her hands. Susie would not go to such lengths to show respect to Kris' mother unless Susie had a very different idea of what a parent is- someone to be feared and respected. Susie doesn't respect the authority of her teacher Alphys.... but maybe she fears her parents because they discipline her too hard?

- Why are Asgore and Toriel divorced if the crimes Asgore committed in Undertale never happened? Possibly related, Asgore used to be on the police force but was laid off for unknown reasons (Kris might know why as he is reluctant to continue reading the newspaper clipping in the police station).

- Asgore is not okay. He keeps a smile on but it is clear he hates how things turned out with his life. Also, why DOES he keep seven flowers in glass cases? And he... talks to them too.

- Onion-san hears a snippet of a song deep in the ocean. They claim to have heard it before- the entire song- long ago. They leave to go find it.

- Shyren is supposed to be dead, yet a look-alike can be seen at the hospital. You cannot examine Shyren's gravestone in Chapter 2 (as Susie will interrupt you), only in Chapter 1 can you read it.
CORRECTION: It was apparently Shyren's sister who passed away.

- Gerson's hammer might become important later. His daughter doesn't seem happy that it is buried with him.
CORRECTION: Father Alvin, not Gerson's daughter.

- You need the Throne of the Gods to bypass the Supreme Table. (This is not possible to do).

- Ralsei somehow knows what the interior of your house looks like.

- Mettaton NEO's remains are in the dark world while Mettaton is actually "alive" and well at Napstablook's house. Spamton G would also "pray" to the remains.
CORRECTION: In-game text implies the actual Mettaton was coding a game at the computer lab and "Mettaton NEO" was an assist. Eventually Mettaton gave up and scrapped the project.

- Chaos King and Queen act like they're married but they are not. Queen claims to be Lancer's mom but Chaos King disagrees?

- The little white dog runs you over!

- WHAT is the "Heaven's Gate"? Why is it mentioned but never elaborated on in Ralsei's prophecy? Why does Spamton G talk about "heaven"?

- Terry, not Jerry.

- Bananas?

- BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT

- (Bottom of Iceberg) Snowgrave route. This is worse than the Genocide route in Undertale. It is some seriously some messed-up crap. My life was better before I learned about it. Do not read if you like fun.
You basically take advantage of Noelle and groom/train her to be Chara 2.0. You do this by forcing Noelle to use Icemist on every enemy, turning her into a cold-blooded murderer. You manipulate and command her every move "to become stronger". You do some serious yandere-level crap to push your romantic feelings onto her / get her to obey your every command. She becomes permanently changed for the worse, eventually even murdering Birdley under your orders.
Snowgrave irrevocably alters the story for the worse.
最後修改者:Tystefy; 2021 年 9 月 24 日 下午 7:10
引用自 Tetsuya_Kurogane:
Also, about the easter egg-s, littteral egg that you can bring back into town, there is a totally mind-blowing discovery. If you write EGG in winding -the garbage language of the man who speak in hands- it will give you those hands pointing to the side then 2 times up
And on a chessboard, that is the movement of the KNIGHT
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tech_hutch 2021 年 9 月 22 日 下午 6:57 
引用自 Linc
what if spamton is the person who is looking for gaster and sings the wrong number song in undertale?
Not enough [[hyperlink blocked]]
最後修改者:tech_hutch; 2021 年 9 月 22 日 下午 6:57
Jean 2021 年 9 月 22 日 下午 7:12 
A few other interesting tidbits I noticed on a 2nd playthrough.

* During the scene with Noelle where the switches spell out December as she passes behind one of the last few buildings she changes to what seems like a younger version of herself. Probably nothing big and more of a connection to her reminiscing about the past but still interesting especially since you don't change.

* There is an optional scene inside Sans's shop with Toriel. Lots of puns ensue before Asgore shows up. Asgore of course still wants to work things out with Toriel but it doesn't seem if that is on the table at all.

* The face you see in the TV can also be seen when you're in the hidden basement of the Queen's castle. This implies that you're being watched by whatever the next threat or shadow crystal boss may be.

* Noelle does seem to recognize Ralsei at first when she seems him and Susie enjoying themselves at the festival street. She doesn't mention it anything further though.

* Your mech design from chapter 1 actually affects the special move you get in the final Queen fight of chapter 2. Wonder how this thing will keep showing up in the later chapters...

Definitely curious about the song Onion hears. Seems to imply that there may be a connection to the dark world underwater. Lots to wonder about for sure. Hopefully development on the next few chapters go smoothly and we get it much sooner though even the game implies it could be another 2 years.
Twiggs 2021 年 9 月 22 日 下午 8:13 
引用自 Tystefy
Here are some things I've noticed:

Despite the overall message of "your choices don't matter" in Chapter 1, a surprising amount of choices carry over into Chapter 2.

- Noelle will gift Susie a lunchbox full of chalk if you talked to her in town during Chapter 1. (That scene alone made speedrunning Chapter 1 again worth it)

- The ORIGINAL Starwalker will make several cameos in Chapter 2 if you talked to him in Chapter 1.

- Your Thrasher machine makes a comeback. Twice.


---
Kris is a puppet. But for whom? The player? In addition, Kris is still able to assert some level of control with his facial expressions and inflection without player input.

- Kris tears out his soul to temporarily free himself from time to time. In Chapter 1, he was so fed up with being controlled that he devoured an entire pie just to feel like he was in control again. In chapter 2, he slashes Toriel's tires to ensure Susie will remain at the house while they open a dark fountain.

- Kris has been known to occasionally play the piano at the hospital. When you try to play though, you fail. He also appears outraged when Susie remarks on their "skill". Kris knows how to play piano. YOU do not.

- Spamton G recognized that you were a puppet like himself. When Susie asks if you're okay after the fight, two things can happen: you say a strained, unconvincing "yes" or you outright scream "no".

- Kris' feelings towards Noelle are completely unknown. You can lean towards friendship or towards a romance yet the player decides all the dialogue. Kris is just there for the ride.

- In Chapter 1, you can choose many dialogue options that imply you know of the events that happened in Undertale. You can talk to Undyne about Alphys. You can tell Sans "it's good to see you again" even though Kris and Sans have somehow never met.

---
Then there's Kris' situation with Asriel.

- Kris is afraid college will have changed Asriel. Maybe he'll be too grown up to play anymore.

- If you give the gift to Noelle, she'll remark something along the lines of "haven't given her a gift since we were kids. Wait, does this mean you want things to be like they were?" This is Kris' fear and desire- he wants things to remain the same... to not grow up, to not change, to not drift apart from his childhood friends.

- Kris has googled "college break when".

- Kris refuses to peek inside Asriel's digitized room.

---
Gaster scammed Spamton G.

- What is implied to be Gaster wants to open dark fountains to destroy the world.

- What is implied to be Gaster helped Spamton G to "become a big shot." Gaster later abandoned Spamton G to instead help Queen for unknown reasons (Gaster and Spamton seemed to have a falling out, maybe because Queen was willing to open a dark fountain and Spamton wasn't?)

- Spamton G only picks up the repeatedly-ringing phone when he is NEO. The sound of a ringing phone is also present in his theme song. It seems that he and Gaster only communicated through the phone before Spamton cut all contact with him. He is forever tormented by the ringing.

- What is the [missing hyperlink] that Spamton G tries to tell us repeatedly about? It appears to be something that Gaster promised him?

- What is to be implied to be Gaster gifts you random eggs in each chapter. In addition, Spamton G has some remarks about "eggs" and his NEO phone shoots out eggs. Spamton G is even attacked by his own phone at one point.

- Who is Mike? Why is 1997 important to Spamton G?

--
Noelle Stuff

- Noelle's mom might be the mayor (Alphys confirms the mayor is your neighbor)... and might also be a meh mother. Noelle is completely taken aback when Queen acts like a loving mother towards her at times.

- Kris has a history of pranking Noelle. This iwas the time before he became a puppet.

- The 25th of "last month" if very important to Noelle for some reason (it's Christmas).

- Noelle likes being scared. Like... to the point of being turned on by it (I'm being serious, there were several times I thought this). Deers and adrenaline, eh? I guess that is the crux of why she crushes on Susie.

- Noelle's father is probably not going to recover.

--
Some misc things

- Susie is either an orphan or has neglectful / abusive parents. She does not call to tell them she's staying over at Kris'. Also, her posture immediately changes when she meets Toriel. She keeps her head up, back straight, and her shoulders back. She watches her language and even walks like a soldier when she goes to wash her hands. Susie would not go to such lengths to show respect to Kris' mother unless Susie had a very different idea of what a parent is- someone to be feared and respected. Susie doesn't respect the authority of her teacher Alphys.... but maybe she fears her parents because they discipline her too hard?

- Why are Asgore and Toriel divorced if the crimes Asgore committed in Undertale never happened? Possibly related, Asgore used to be on the police force but was laid off for unknown reasons (Kris might know why as he is reluctant to continue reading the newspaper clipping in the police station).

- Asgore is not okay. He keeps a smile on but it is clear he hates how things turned out with his life. Also, why DOES he keep seven flowers in glass cases? And he... talks to them too.

- Onion-san hears a snippet of a song deep in the ocean. They claim to have heard it before- the entire song- long ago. They leave to go find it.

- Shyren is supposed to be dead, yet a look-alike can be seen at the hospital. You cannot examine Shyren's gravestone in Chapter 2 (as Susie will interrupt you), only in Chapter 1 can you read it.

- Gerson's hammer might become important later. His daughter doesn't seem happy that it is buried with him.

- You need the Throne of the Gods to bypass the Supreme Table. (This is not possible to do).

- Ralsei somehow knows what the interior of your house looks like.

- Mettaton NEO's remains are in the dark world while Mettaton is actually "alive" and well at Napstablook's house. Spamton G would also "pray" to the remains.

- Chaos King and Queen act like they're married but they are not. Queen claims to be Lancer's mom but Chaos King disagrees?

- The little white dog runs you over!

- D E C E M B E R

- WHAT is the "Heaven's Gate"? Why is it mentioned but never elaborated on in Ralsei's prophecy? Why does Spamton G talk about "heaven"?

- Terry, not Jerry.

- Bananas?

- BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT

- (Bottom of Iceberg) Snowgrave route. This is worse than the Genocide route in Undertale. It is some seriously some messed-up crap. My life was better before I learned about it. Do not read if you like fun.
You basically take advantage of Noelle and groom/train her to be Chara 2.0. You do this by forcing Noelle to use Icemist on every enemy, turning her into a cold-blooded murderer. You manipulate and command her every move "to become stronger". You do some serious yandere-level crap to push your romantic feelings onto her / get her to obey your every command. She becomes permanently changed for the worse, eventually even murdering Birdley under your orders.
Snowgrave irrevocably alters the story for the worse.

I'm not going to do all of these, only ones I find interesting and/or know about through playing.

- Your Thrasher machine makes a comeback. Twice.
Honestly wasn't expecting my multicoloured duck to come back twice, but that was really fun both times, with you "fighting" against it, and then using it. (no I will not elaborate)

- In Chapter 1, you can choose many dialogue options that imply you know of the events that happened in Undertale. You can talk to Undyne about Alphys. You can tell Sans "it's good to see you again" even though Kris and Sans have somehow never met.
This is either a callback, like hey remember all of this in Undertale, or it does actually matter, we'll just have to wait for Sans to say something, though a lot of the parallels between Undertale and Deltarune are scary, like 7 flowers, the Deltarune symbol itself, and others.

- Kris has googled "college break when".
He most likely just wants to know when the break is over so he can bake Asriel a pie and they can hang out at the Diner like they used to.

- Noelle likes being scared. Like... to the point of being turned on by it (I'm being serious, there were several times I thought this). Deers and adrenaline, eh? I guess that is the crux of why she crushes on Susie.
The whole turned on thing is just chilling, I don't think that is the case, I just think she sees comfort in horror and uses it as a coping mechanism.

- Susie is either an orphan or has neglectful / abusive parents.
Well considering the fact that Susie is most likely living in poverty, he parents might lash out against Susie as to why they're poor, and they don't have food ever either, it's why she loves chalk so much, and inspecting the Fridge she mentions real food, meaning her family might not be able to afford proper food.

- Why are Asgore and Toriel divorced if the crimes Asgore committed in Undertale never happened? Maybe he accidentally shot someone or caused an accident leading to the death of an innocent person, maybe even a child.

- Asgore is not okay. He keeps a smile on but it is clear he hates how things turned out with his life. Also, why DOES he keep seven flowers in glass cases?
He might have depression, who knows. Also I think the seven flowers are more of a reference to the 7 hearts in Undertale, which makes the whole accident thing I said before more chilling.

- Ralsei somehow knows what the interior of your house looks like.
This one thing has boggled many, which is why the Ralsei is your imagination theory is so popular, it brings up the question about Susie's room, is that actually how it looks, or is it an assumption, because if the former is true the theory falls apart, if it is the later then then the theory has massive weight to it.

- The little white dog runs you over!
I won't spoil this, so all I'm going to say is that this made me laugh for a good 5 minutes, seriously you need to see this easter egg.

- D E C E M B E R This is referenced by Berdley (or Birdley) when he tells you why he is the way he is, this is a pivotal moment in understanding how Birdley/Berdley thinks, and it also ties into the whole Noelle having trauma based around Christmas.

- Bananas?
Potassium
(This is joked about twice)

- BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT BIG SHOT
I don't know much about Spamdon (I think it's Spamdon/m, or whatever his name was), all I know is that this phrase is used through his fight, and even in the song is called BIG SHOT.

That is all I know from this iceberg, I left out a lot of information as to not cause to many spoilers for those who haven't encountered all of these/haven't even finished the Chapter



Niko 2021 年 9 月 22 日 下午 9:10 
The 1997 and Mike reference might be related to this:
https://youtu. be/Gy19H-hVbIE
Twiggs 2021 年 9 月 23 日 上午 12:07 
I feel as if a few things are missing, such as Noelle is the Angel, YOU whispered for Noelle, Computer Closet (and it's implications and the theory based around it), [4 left], though a few of these could be lumped into the Snowgrave.
kyneas 2021 年 9 月 23 日 上午 3:43 
I saw as a bit telling the fixation queen has with noelle, she wants to have her under her and control her, but at the same time she seems to genuinely care about her. There could easily be a conexion between queen and noelle's mother, we learn from the hospital that their relation is problematic, maybe it is the same kind as with queen.

Also this might be a stretch, but if we extrapolate maybe king from chapter 1 could easily be similar to susie's father, for all we know susie could have someone close similar to lancer, but i don't think there are any clues to that.

And finally we have ralsei as someone similar to asriel for a relation to kris, whose relation might also have hidden problems. Each from a different world. All of this could be a parallel from the different dark worlds. Maybe if we get a dark world for toriel in chapter 3, we could have the boss be similar to asgore, and learn to some degree what happened for them to break up.
Tetsuya_Kurogane 2021 年 9 月 23 日 上午 10:57 
For all of you not speaking french, Noël is the term for Christmas. Of course the 25th of the last month is of deep significance
And I believe our our little Noelle made a mistake spelling december because she is used to abreviating her sister's name has Dess with the S
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Tetsuya_Kurogane 2021 年 9 月 23 日 上午 11:04 
Also, about the easter egg-s, littteral egg that you can bring back into town, there is a totally mind-blowing discovery. If you write EGG in winding -the garbage language of the man who speak in hands- it will give you those hands pointing to the side then 2 times up
And on a chessboard, that is the movement of the KNIGHT
tech_hutch 2021 年 9 月 23 日 上午 11:18 
引用自 Tetsuya_Kurogane
For all of you not speaking french, Noël is the term for Christmas. Of course the 25th of the last month is of deep significance
And I believe our our little Noelle made a mistake spelling december because she is used to abreviating her sister's name has Dess with the S
That's the least sad interpretation. Maybe Dess went off the college, like Azzy(Asriel).
CSS 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 7:11 
a note on the piano, if you inspect it in chapter 1 it says its a arbitrary shrunken piano and all the good keys are missing and playing it makes that bionk sound, if you refuse to play it, it says Kris still puts his hands on the piano, implying he wanted to play it

its not that you or kris cant play it, its literally broken and kris is mad suise is blaming her for the defective piano

edit: its said in the chapter, that kris "is the only one that knows how weird Noelle is" so it's possible he scared her under the bed because he knew she liked it?
最後修改者:CSS; 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 7:16
Gentleman Bird 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 7:20 
引用自 Popp
The month of December is important to Noelle and likely in a bad way I think. She mentions the "four" of you playing together when you were younger, likely Kris, Asriel, Noelle, and Dess her sister. I think something may have happened to Dess in the month of December as she doesn't seem to be around anymore. Or maybe it has to do with when her dad fell ill.

Edit: December is also the word she got stuck on in the spelling bee, highlighting its importance even more to her.

Also, it's likely that Dess's full name is December
tech_hutch 2021 年 9 月 23 日 下午 8:20 
I wonder why she has that calendar of only Decembers in her room in the mansion.
CSS 2021 年 9 月 24 日 上午 11:11 
引用自 tech_hutch
I wonder why she has that calendar of only Decembers in her room in the mansion.
chrisman day is "important to her" queen probably.. misinterpreted that as it being her favorite day of the year, even tho it seems to have more of a negative impact for her
tech_hutch 2021 年 9 月 24 日 下午 1:05 
引用自 CSS
引用自 tech_hutch
I wonder why she has that calendar of only Decembers in her room in the mansion.
chrisman day is "important to her" queen probably.. misinterpreted that as it being her favorite day of the year, even tho it seems to have more of a negative impact for her
Makes sense. Noelle doesn't comment on it at all tho
givemeidk 2021 年 9 月 24 日 下午 5:14 
- "Who is Mike? Why is 1997 important to Spamton G?"

The 1997/Mike thing is probably a reference to and ad by Mike Ditka for "Big Shot Soda"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy19H-hVbIE
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