Herbivore

[Material Ghost]

I saw the new update patch note, and i've noticed something : the herbivore form trait. And i felt like something was off.
Are they not working with ritual cannibals ?
Why are they easier to use and stronger than carnivorous behavior ?
Ritual cannibalism give corpse eating (15 HP) and need dead bodies (so to kill enemies) , but herbivore work straigh with vegetal features, and give more health back in return.
Also, will herbivore be able to get food from pastures ? This mean they will eat cattle, and therefore, they won't be real herbivores.
Maybe not allowing herbivore to heal 20 food straigh and buffing corpse eating by a small bit, and allowing herbivore to get like 5 production / 3 mana in exchange for the 10 food from pastures ?

[melkathi]

There are some maps though without any vegetation. So in those battles herbivores will heal 0. Every battle will eventually have dead bodies - with summoning abilities you may even bring some along yourself.

Not saying there might not be an issue, but I would think this has gone into the balance calculations.

[Aurumworks]

Herbivore uses up a form trait and two points, which could be used by some other form trait, so it has to be balanced with that. Ritual cannibals also gives you resources every battle, which you would need to take into consideration in the balance, even if they were in the same category.

Personally I can't wait to create Gluttonous Goats with both herbivore and ritual cannibals and desolation adaption, just eating everything and leaving nothing behind. Hopping from world to world to gorge themselves on them. Barren wastelands echoing with desperate, hungry bleating.

[PlutonArioch]

Originally posted by Material Ghost:

Also, will herbivore be able to get food from pastures ? This mean they will eat cattle, and therefore, they won't be real herbivores.

Did you know that pastures does not mean "meat"? It means "vegetation herbivores like to eat"... So it is good to put your herbivore cattle there to feed them... I'll let you connect the dots yourself.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by Material Ghost:

Are they not working with ritual cannibals ?

Herbivore ritual cannibals should be limited to consuming plant type corpses, I think. Gaia chosen, etc.

Originally posted by Material Ghost:

Also, will herbivore be able to get food from pastures ? This mean they will eat cattle, and therefore, they won't be real herbivores.

One of the common uses of cattle in ancient times was fertilizer production. So herbivores would still benefit from cattle.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Aurumworks:

Herbivore uses up a form trait and two points, which could be used by some other form trait, so it has to be balanced with that.

Yeah, if this were an enchantment or a minor transformation, that might be different. But as a 2 point form trait, I think you're sacrificing a powerful build in exchange for a gimmicky heal mechanic.

20 points of healing is nice, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't seem unbalanced.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Alexander:

Herbivore ritual cannibals should be limited to consuming plant type corpses, I think. Gaia chosen, etc.

I disagree. If you combine Herbivore with Cannibals, you can role play your faction as a ravenous swarm that devours all life. Leaving the realm as a desolate wasteland with no plants or animals.

They'd make a good fit for Chosen Destroyers.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Alexander:

Herbivore ritual cannibals should be limited to consuming plant type corpses, I think. Gaia chosen, etc.

I disagree. If you combine Herbivore with Cannibals, you can role play your faction as a ravenous swarm that devours all life. Leaving the realm as a desolate wasteland with no plants or animals.

They'd make a good fit for Chosen Destroyers.

If they devour all life they are omnivores, not herbivores.

However, even cows are known to enjoy a mouse or a small bird sometimes...

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Alexander:

If they devour all life they are omnivores, not herbivores.

However, even cows are known to enjoy a mouse or a small bird sometimes...

They're also known to enjoy other cows, and that's how we get Mad Cow Disease.

[Kit Fulvas]

Originally posted by Aurumworks:

Personally I can't wait to create Gluttonous Goats with both herbivore and ritual cannibals and desolation adaption, just eating everything and leaving nothing behind. Hopping from world to world to gorge themselves on them. Barren wastelands echoing with desperate, hungry bleating.

You sir/madam, are a genious. I had no intention of using Goat forms, but now I want to make "Gluttonous Grey-Horns"

[GrandMajora]

Herbivore + Undead = The ethical necromancer.

[Arthur two sheds Jackson]

that trait will be useless on desolate and ice tiles so its ok

[Cindeerella]

Ritual cannibals also give insanely powerful ability against recurring enemies (phoenixes, undead etc) because you can just negate enemy corpse interaction with this.

[Material Ghost]

Originally posted by melkathi:

There are some maps though without any vegetation. So in those battles herbivores will heal 0. Every battle will eventually have dead bodies - with summoning abilities you may even bring some along yourself.

Not saying there might not be an issue, but I would think this has gone into the balance calculations.

Originally posted by Aurumworks:

Herbivore uses up a form trait and two points, which could be used by some other form trait, so it has to be balanced with that. Ritual cannibals also gives you resources every battle, which you would need to take into consideration in the balance, even if they were in the same category.

Originally posted by PlutonArioch:

Originally posted by Material Ghost:

Also, will herbivore be able to get food from pastures ? This mean they will eat cattle, and therefore, they won't be real herbivores.

Did you know that pastures does not mean "meat"? It means "vegetation herbivores like to eat"... So it is good to put your herbivore cattle there to feed them... I'll let you connect the dots yourself.

Originally posted by Bratty Doe:

Ritual cannibals also give insanely powerful ability against recurring enemies (phoenixes, undead etc) because you can just negate enemy corpse interaction with this.

Originally posted by Alexander:

Originally posted by Material Ghost:

Are they not working with ritual cannibals ?

Herbivore ritual cannibals should be limited to consuming plant type corpses, I think. Gaia chosen, etc.

Originally posted by Material Ghost:

Also, will herbivore be able to get food from pastures ? This mean they will eat cattle, and therefore, they won't be real herbivores.

One of the common uses of cattle in ancient times was fertilizer production. So herbivores would still benefit from cattle.

I guess they are multiple things i didn't thinked about, even though i feel like ritual cannibal should still get a 5 bonus HP when corpse eating. Thanks for all the answers !

[The Former]

Originally posted by PlutonArioch:

Originally posted by Material Ghost:

Also, will herbivore be able to get food from pastures ? This mean they will eat cattle, and therefore, they won't be real herbivores.

Did you know that pastures does not mean "meat"? It means "vegetation herbivores like to eat"... So it is good to put your herbivore cattle there to feed them... I'll let you connect the dots yourself.

Please do not milk the goatmen.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Ärlig, Paradoxriddaren:

Please do not milk the goatmen.

Of course not!

You milk the goatwomen.