Wind Barrier Ring vs Obscuring Cloak

[Fyre]

Just saying the ring is tier 2 and gives +60% chance to flip ranged the bird and the ARMOR that gives no other benefits is a 40% chance at tier 3, seems a little ♥♥♥♥♥ to me. The opportunity cost for rings might be a bit higher given things like the ring of flanking but this does not seem right at all.

Edit: Just realized you could theoretically wear them at the same time for 100%? Kinda funny.

Edit2: Not making a new topic just for this but for real, 30% less damage from ranged attacks is a tier 3 ring which again feels worse.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Fyre:

Wind Barrier Ring vs Obscuring Cloak
Just saying the ring is tier 2 and gives +60% chance to flip ranged the bird and the ARMOR that gives no other benefits is a 40% chance at tier 3, seems a little ♥♥♥♥♥ to me. The opportunity cost for rings might be a bit higher given things like the ring of flanking but this does not seem right at all.

Edit: Just realized you could theoretically wear them at the same time for 100%? Kinda funny.

The AI is especially prone against that combination.

[Fyre]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by Fyre:

Wind Barrier Ring vs Obscuring Cloak
Just saying the ring is tier 2 and gives +60% chance to flip ranged the bird and the ARMOR that gives no other benefits is a 40% chance at tier 3, seems a little ♥♥♥♥♥ to me. The opportunity cost for rings might be a bit higher given things like the ring of flanking but this does not seem right at all.

Edit: Just realized you could theoretically wear them at the same time for 100%? Kinda funny.

The AI is especially prone against that combination.

Yeah I'm looking at them side by side thinking one is stronger than the other when really I should be thinking about putting them together.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Fyre:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

The AI is especially prone against that combination.

Yeah I'm looking at them side by side thinking one is stronger than the other when really I should be thinking about putting them together.

Have fun with putting it together with e.g. Dwarven Hammer + Sentinel. Your hero becomes pretty much untouchable to ridiculous levels. If Godbreaker had that push back effect...

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Fyre:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

The AI is especially prone against that combination.

Yeah I'm looking at them side by side thinking one is stronger than the other when really I should be thinking about putting them together.

On a side note: https://i.imgflip.com/4o8m5v.jpg?a468168

[ReverseRaven]

I've heard stacking them caps at 95% but I haven't seen it myself.

[アンジェル]

I have had a hero, running alone solo, obliterating two stacks of AI army units in auto-battle.

[ReverseRaven]

To be fair, 95% is still massive. That's like only being able to hit something in DnD with a Nat 20.

[Commisar Jon Fuklaw]

Originally posted by ReverseRaven:

To be fair, 95% is still massive. That's like only being able to hit something in DnD with a Nat 20.

It's still only against ranged attacks, so it's more like having DR/10 Melee.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Fyre:

Edit2: Not making a new topic just for this but for real, 30% less damage from ranged attacks is a tier 3 ring which again feels worse.

Not getting hit > getting hit with 30% less damage

No doubts about that.

[GrandMajora]

Do the effects stack, or not?

Because you can take the Quick Reflexes, Wind Barrier Ring, Obscuring Cloak, and Tier 3 Defense to make yourself virtually untouchable against ranged attacks.

[Wlerin]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Do the effects stack, or not?

Because you can take the Quick Reflexes, Wind Barrier Ring, Obscuring Cloak, and Tier 3 Defense to make yourself virtually untouchable against ranged attacks.

Unless they get a crit lol. Well, at least until the Wyvern patch.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Wlerin:

Unless they get a crit lol. Well, at least until the Wyvern patch.

I initially thought each tier of Defense was a +5 evasion, but it turns out that Tier 3 gives you +10.

So with them all together, you get +20 evasion (+5 Tier 1, +5 Tier 2, +10 Tier 3).

[Wlerin]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Wlerin:

Unless they get a crit lol. Well, at least until the Wyvern patch.

I initially thought each tier of Defense was a +5 evasion, but it turns out that Tier 3 gives you +10.

So with them all together, you get +20 evasion (+5 Tier 1, +5 Tier 2, +10 Tier 3).

You only need the ring and cloak to max ranged miss chance.

Unless of course Guided Projectiles ignores both of them. Which it might, but I've never really had the opportunity to test.

[Ichthyic]

"Unless of course Guided Projectiles ignores both of them."

technically, the point of guided projectiles is to avoid obscuration, and these items literally provide obscure so...