So...no actual story campaign?

[KantiranRhodan]

I just found out this game exists and one of the things I liked in the old AOW games was that there was an actual story campaign, you know, with chapters and main missions and the ability to play through a, well story.

And now it becomes a purely 4x game like everyone else does nowadays? What about people like me who actually like an actual story campaign? I had really hoped that the next AOW would be essentially an improvement of AOW 3 (which I really liked the concept of when it comes to story) but apparently not...

[Roderick]

Where do you have it from that there is no campaign? As I understand the video, there is a Mage Haven(?) where you choose the next realm to play (like empire mode in AoW Planetfall). You can choose between a world just for fun to play or a story world to progress the story.

[KantiranRhodan]

Instead of having a fully scripted campaign story that the player follows - with perhaps a couple of branches - the in-game narrative needs ways to adapt to who the player is and their actions. Through this we avoid narrative vs gameplay disconnects, difficulty spikes or blocking parts of the customization/empire development possibilities.

So our goal is to create a universe rich in lore, which reacts to the player’s choices instead of a more linear traditional scripted adventure. (Quote from their own blog)

While I understand there is a small "story realm" (with only 5 maps?) stuff it doesn't really sound like an actual campaign in the way other AOE games (including Planetfall) did, just typical 4x stuff which, honestly I'm not really that interested in.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

And now it becomes a purely 4x game like everyone else does nowadays? What about people like me who actually like an actual story campaign?

Story based game just dropped
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1581770/SpellForce_Conquest_of_Eo/

As for sandbox it is good if it offers high replayability and this is probably what devs want

[Roderick]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Story based game just dropped

As for sandbox it is good if it offers high replayability and this is probably what devs want

How much do they pay you for advertisment like that?

[Butcher]

Originally posted by Roderick:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Story based game just dropped

As for sandbox it is good if it offers high replayability and this is probably what devs want

How much do they pay you for advertisment like that?

I do it for free. It is a mix of Thea, Age of Wonders 3, Fantasy Generals 2 and Master of Magic.

Btw, Master of Magic was also recentrly remastered by MUXA, creators of mentioned above Thea.

[KantiranRhodan]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

And now it becomes a purely 4x game like everyone else does nowadays? What about people like me who actually like an actual story campaign?

Story based game just dropped
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1581770/SpellForce_Conquest_of_Eo/

As for sandbox it is good if it offers high replayability and this is probably what devs want

Already tried it. And it's exactly NOT what I'm looking for. Again, I like an actually story based, yes, more linear campaign (with some branching paths if possible).

Also I find the game really frustrating because even on low difficulty you barely have enough ressources to do anything it seems.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Story based game just dropped
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1581770/SpellForce_Conquest_of_Eo/

As for sandbox it is good if it offers high replayability and this is probably what devs want

Already tried it. And it's exactly NOT what I'm looking for. Again, I like an actually story based, yes, more linear campaign (with some branching paths if possible).

Also I find the game really frustrating because even on low difficulty you barely have enough ressources to do anything it seems.

Have you played HoMM? Up to 5 they are really good. Even 4 which everybody hates for some reason is great.

As for story based campaigns, Fantasy Wars+Elven Legacy, Kings Bounty and Fantasy General 2 offer quite a stories

[KantiranRhodan]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

Already tried it. And it's exactly NOT what I'm looking for. Again, I like an actually story based, yes, more linear campaign (with some branching paths if possible).

Also I find the game really frustrating because even on low difficulty you barely have enough ressources to do anything it seems.

Have you played HoMM? Up to 5 they are really good. Even 4 which everybody hates for some reason is great.

As for story based campaigns, Fantasy Wars+Elven Legacy, Kings Bounty and Fantasy General 2 offer quite a stories

I did (including 6 and 7, and I actually think 6 is a bit overhated).

And I already tried all of the games you suggested, though I honestly didn't really get into Kings Bounty and Fantasy General 2 for some reason.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Have you played HoMM? Up to 5 they are really good. Even 4 which everybody hates for some reason is great.

As for story based campaigns, Fantasy Wars+Elven Legacy, Kings Bounty and Fantasy General 2 offer quite a stories

I did (including 6 and 7, and I actually think 6 is a bit overhated).

And I already tried all of the games you suggested, though I honestly didn't really get into Kings Bounty and Fantasy General 2 for some reason.

Legends of Eisenwald offers campaign with choices.

Endless Legend, Eador and Thea have campaigns with story, but they also are sandboxy: Endles Legend is still more of 4x, Eador has many events and choices with multiple endings but story mostly happens between shard battles, Thea is full on story but has card based combat which is not everyones cup of tea.

[KantiranRhodan]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

I did (including 6 and 7, and I actually think 6 is a bit overhated).

And I already tried all of the games you suggested, though I honestly didn't really get into Kings Bounty and Fantasy General 2 for some reason.

Legends of Eisenwald offers campaign with choices.

Endless Legend, Eador and Thea have campaigns with story, but they also are sandboxy: Endles Legend is still more of 4x, Eador has many events and choices with multiple endings but story mostly happens between shard battles, Thea is full on story but has card based combat which is not everyones cup of tea.

I like Endless Legend (the endless games are the only real 4x games I actually enjoy). I think I played Eador and Thea but they are essentially very similar to the afformentioned Conquest of Eo if I remember correctly.

Legends of Eisenwald is something I need to look into, thanks!

Though I still wonder why AoW 4 does away with an actual narrative campaign. I find it quite a shame that they do. I'll probably buy them anyways at some point (though probably not day 1) but I find it a shame that so many of these game have to become 4x(ish) games.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

I just found out this game exists and one of the things I liked in the old AOW games was that there was an actual story campaign, you know, with chapters and main missions and the ability to play through a, well story.

In addition to customized / randomly generated realms for your faction to explore and conquer, the devs have stated there are also 5 'story realms' which are connected to the plot of the campaign.

We do not know at this moment if each of the story realms are going to be spread out between normal realm sequences, or if we're free to choose them one after the other and speed run through the campaign. We'll have to wait for the devs to shed more information on that subject, though I suspect a concrete answer won't come until final release.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Legends of Eisenwald offers campaign with choices.

Endless Legend, Eador and Thea have campaigns with story, but they also are sandboxy: Endles Legend is still more of 4x, Eador has many events and choices with multiple endings but story mostly happens between shard battles, Thea is full on story but has card based combat which is not everyones cup of tea.

I like Endless Legend (the endless games are the only real 4x games I actually enjoy). I think I played Eador and Thea but they are essentially very similar to the afformentioned Conquest of Eo if I remember correctly.

Legends of Eisenwald is something I need to look into, thanks!

Though I still wonder why AoW 4 does away with an actual narrative campaign. I find it quite a shame that they do. I'll probably buy them anyways at some point (though probably not day 1) but I find it a shame that so many of these game have to become 4x(ish) games.

Probably you are more into RPGs? Blackguard, Divinity:OS and Pathfinder all turn based and story focused.

[KantiranRhodan]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

I like Endless Legend (the endless games are the only real 4x games I actually enjoy). I think I played Eador and Thea but they are essentially very similar to the afformentioned Conquest of Eo if I remember correctly.

Legends of Eisenwald is something I need to look into, thanks!

Though I still wonder why AoW 4 does away with an actual narrative campaign. I find it quite a shame that they do. I'll probably buy them anyways at some point (though probably not day 1) but I find it a shame that so many of these game have to become 4x(ish) games.

Probably you are more into RPGs? Blackguard, Divinity:OS and Pathfinder all turn based and story focused.

I'm actually into quite a bit of things (though not really into 4x stuff that is just 4x stuff, but something I do like a lot are Strategy-RPGs. And while there are enough japanese SRPGs (Fire Emblem etc., and yes I have played Lost Eidolons) I also really like more western focussed SRPGs that combine a narrative campaign with map conquest, which Age of Wonders was...until recently.

And with the ones you suggested....I kinda didn't enjoy any of those (Blackguard and Divinity have worlds and characters I didn't like because I'm not into grimdark/super dark fantasy, and Pathfinder is just too overwhelming for me, as someone who doesn't really play Tabletop RPGs.).

[Butcher]

Originally posted by KantiranRhodan:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Probably you are more into RPGs? Blackguard, Divinity:OS and Pathfinder all turn based and story focused.

I'm actually into quite a bit of things (though not really into 4x stuff that is just 4x stuff, but something I do like a lot are Strategy-RPGs. And while there are enough japanese SRPGs (Fire Emblem etc., and yes I have played Lost Eidolons) I also really like more western focussed SRPGs that combine a narrative campaign with map conquest, which Age of Wonders was...until recently.

And with the ones you suggested....I kinda didn't enjoy any of those (Blackguard and Divinity have worlds and characters I didn't like and Pathfinder is just too overwhelming for me, as someone who doesn't really play Pen&Paper RPGs.).

As for strategy-RPG (I assume you include regular units into RPG part) TBS there are not that much of them. Wargames such as Fantasy Wars+Elven Legacy and Fantasy General 2 offer nice unit progression so peasant becomes super paladin. Legends of Eisenwald and Eador also feature unit leveling including turning unit of tier 1 into tier 2/3/4 but that requires keeping him alive.

Battle Brothers and Wartales are some sort of strategy/RPG hybrids too with quite many units per battle compared to regular RPGs.

[KantiranRhodan]

Guys, I appreciate that you are suggesting games to me but those games aren't what I'm looking for (or I have already played them).

What I'm lookng for is a good substitute for Heroes of Might and Magic, which Age of Wonders was. Until it went full 4x and now there simply isn't a game similar to HoMM left (I am aware of The Dragoness but it doesn't seem to be particularly good). That is my problem here.