What's going on with the negative reviews?

[Mutant Cowboy Turtle]

OK let me start off by saying that I friggin LOVED GAMMA and Anomaly, however, I played the first game not far from it's release date and all other games pretty much as they were released

What's up with the negative reviews? I dont mean the ones that say it's a good game but cant recommend it in its current state, those are understandable

I am talking about those that talk about features that supposedly existed in the original games but not in this one

The ALife system - From what I understand GSC removed it temporarily in order to fix it but I've seen similarities between the current AI and the original. I've seen Stalkers wandering about the map, not as frequently as in Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat but I did see them, they werent just standing at the bases

Enemy AI - I dunno they pretty much behave like in the original games to me, they dont just sit there and take shots at you, at least from my limited experience so far

Anomalies - Some can be temporarily discharged and some are just unavoidable much like in the original games

Mutant body part system - Yes it feels missing, I kinda agree on this one but IMO it's a minor detail

Faction wars - This was a major thing in Clear Sky but I dont recall it being a big deal in other games outside of "everybody fights bandits and Monolith" or "Duty fights Freedom", either way I did witness Stalkers of different factions trying to kill one another

Performance and stability - I am sorry but the original games were pretty damn notorious for being a mess on day one and later after that, difference is that this time GSC is much more involved in fixing the game as so while the performance and bugs do frustrate me, based on previous experience and context I am kinda OK with that, wish the game was a bit more polished on release though

I do wish there was a rudimentary crafting system of sorts and a way to maintain our gear but that's just me

What are your thoughts?

[Veica]

Originally posted by WhiskeyNinja:

Originally posted by Kain:

What's YOUR point then? All I understand is gibberish.

Originally posted by Bored.:

They are new to the concept of human violence and that neither side is right.

They are projecting wasting their money on this game as to us who either enjoiy the game or did not buy the game as the ones crying.

Folks I've played for 35 hours - I have this stability patch[www.nexusmods.com] and no other issues. I'm with OP - I don't get the concentrated negativity - and I think it's because folks are either part of ongoing Russian propaganda efforts, or they're just too young to realize that this isn't all that bad. Y'all haven't lived through Fable, you're probably too young to remember No Man's Sky. You'll get it when you grow up and have more perspective.

"I used a third-party solution to fix the problems so therefore there are no problems and you all are either children or Russian propagandists"

A brilliant mind, this one.

[WhiskeyNinja]

Originally posted by Bored.:

My response: Age is not a factor in maturing nor the use of intellect or credibility to a discussion.
You have no argument other than saying you are the best to everyone.

Ah, yes, of course, my apologies - then what is your issue? You've had several opportunities to state it and refused to so it's only natural to assume you don't have one. You seem more interested in just disagreeing with people.

[WhiskeyNinja]

Originally posted by Veica:

"I used a third-party solution to fix the problems so therefore there are no problems and you all are either children or Russian propagandists"

A brilliant mind, this one.

I don't know why everyone is holding this game up to such unrealistic expectations - it's about on part with the stability of any recent AAA release on launch, and I don't see massive hate waves. I've used third party patches on plenty of other games - from Cyberpunk to Tarkov to Lethal Company. That's just part of the hobby. STALKER as a franchise has been modded to the gills since release. What's the upset?

[Kain]

Originally posted by WhiskeyNinja:

Originally posted by Veica:

"I used a third-party solution to fix the problems so therefore there are no problems and you all are either children or Russian propagandists"

A brilliant mind, this one.

I don't know why everyone is holding this game up to such unrealistic expectations - it's about on part with the stability of any recent AAA release on launch, and I don't see massive hate waves. I've used third party patches on plenty of other games - from Cyberpunk to Tarkov to Lethal Company. That's just part of the hobby. STALKER as a franchise has been modded to the gills since release. What's the upset?

A lot of games that are released in poor state got flak for it, Cyberpunk included, BG3, Helldivers 2 and so on. If anything, given how buggy this game is, it's steam score is pretty high.

[WhiskeyNinja]

Originally posted by Bored.:

I have no issues because I act and reinforce my own principles / standards.
In terms of discussion I like a discussion and am a conversationalist if the discussion allows for it.

I am known for my scathing wit too though.

Oooh, whoever told you your wit is scathing let you down, you should look for better friends.

And I meant your issue with the game, the reason you're posting in this thread.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by WhiskeyNinja:

I don't know why everyone is holding this game up to such unrealistic expectations - it's about on part with the stability of any recent AAA release on launch, and I don't see massive hate waves. I've used third party patches on plenty of other games - from Cyberpunk to Tarkov to Lethal Company. That's just part of the hobby. STALKER as a franchise has been modded to the gills since release. What's the upset?

A lot of games that are released in poor state got flak for it, Cyberpunk included, BG3, Helldivers 2 and so on. If anything, given how buggy this game is, it's steam score is pretty high.

While true all of these games are now considered "masterpieces" by a lot of people.
Which is PRECISELY why companies keep doing it.

Consumers have shown them that "release now - fix later" always works. Which is a shame.
CP2077 never should have been allowed to redeem itself. People forget way too quickly and are way too forgiving.

[Kain]

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

Originally posted by Kain:

A lot of games that are released in poor state got flak for it, Cyberpunk included, BG3, Helldivers 2 and so on. If anything, given how buggy this game is, it's steam score is pretty high.

While true all of these games are now considered "masterpieces" by a lot of people.
Which is PRECISELY why companies keep doing it.

Consumers have shown them that "release now - fix later" always works. Which is a shame.
CP2077 never should have been allowed to redeem itself. People forget way too quickly and are way too forgiving.

I agree, and yet we both got the game despite it being very buggy. In truth most of us will hold a stance until we really want something then we throw it out of the window, so at least we should let people who can't stand this voice their negative opinions.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

While true all of these games are now considered "masterpieces" by a lot of people.
Which is PRECISELY why companies keep doing it.

Consumers have shown them that "release now - fix later" always works. Which is a shame.
CP2077 never should have been allowed to redeem itself. People forget way too quickly and are way too forgiving.

I agree, and yet we both got the game despite it being very buggy. In truth most of us will hold a stance until we really want something then we throw it out of the window, so at least we should let people who can't stand this voice their negative opinions.

Oh yeah no for sure, I am just as guilty lol.
And yeah obviously people should be allowed to voice their opinion here without any issues.

[WhiskeyNinja]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by WhiskeyNinja:

I don't know why everyone is holding this game up to such unrealistic expectations - it's about on part with the stability of any recent AAA release on launch, and I don't see massive hate waves. I've used third party patches on plenty of other games - from Cyberpunk to Tarkov to Lethal Company. That's just part of the hobby. STALKER as a franchise has been modded to the gills since release. What's the upset?

A lot of games that are released in poor state got flak for it, Cyberpunk included, BG3, Helldivers 2 and so on. If anything, given how buggy this game is, it's steam score is pretty high.

Cyberpunk also got amazing reviews - and was in way worse shape than this. And this game has almost 20 years of fanbase and history. Makes sense to me. If a game is good, and folks are confident bugs will get fixed, they aren't going to score it on something that will get patched. That's happened across the board, nothing new here.

[Kain]

Originally posted by WhiskeyNinja:

Originally posted by Kain:

A lot of games that are released in poor state got flak for it, Cyberpunk included, BG3, Helldivers 2 and so on. If anything, given how buggy this game is, it's steam score is pretty high.

Cyberpunk also got amazing reviews - and was in way worse shape than this. And this game has almost 20 years of fanbase and history. Makes sense to me. If a game is good, and folks are confident bugs will get fixed, they aren't going to score it on something that will get patched. That's happened across the board, nothing new here.

Any game can get amazing reviews, but no, Cyberpunk was highly criticized and one of the few games where there were ACTUAL lawsuis against it, point is, if there is something wrong wit ha product it should be notified and others should be warned. This game is buggy, I got it, but it IS buggy and I would only recommend to those with high tolerance to jank.

[Bacon Overlord®]

Originally posted by Mutant Cowboy Turtle:

OK let me start off by saying that I friggin LOVED GAMMA and Anomaly, however, I played the first game not far from it's release date and all other games pretty much as they were released

What's up with the negative reviews? I dont mean the ones that say it's a good game but cant recommend it in its current state, those are understandable

I am talking about those that talk about features that supposedly existed in the original games but not in this one

The ALife system - From what I understand GSC removed it temporarily in order to fix it but I've seen similarities between the current AI and the original. I've seen Stalkers wandering about the map, not as frequently as in Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat but I did see them, they werent just standing at the bases

Enemy AI - I dunno they pretty much behave like in the original games to me, they dont just sit there and take shots at you, at least from my limited experience so far

Anomalies - Some can be temporarily discharged and some are just unavoidable much like in the original games

Mutant body part system - Yes it feels missing, I kinda agree on this one but IMO it's a minor detail

Faction wars - This was a major thing in Clear Sky but I dont recall it being a big deal in other games outside of "everybody fights bandits and Monolith" or "Duty fights Freedom", either way I did witness Stalkers of different factions trying to kill one another

Performance and stability - I am sorry but the original games were pretty damn notorious for being a mess on day one and later after that, difference is that this time GSC is much more involved in fixing the game as so while the performance and bugs do frustrate me, based on previous experience and context I am kinda OK with that, wish the game was a bit more polished on release though

I do wish there was a rudimentary crafting system of sorts and a way to maintain our gear but that's just me

What are your thoughts?

People (kids mostly) have this weird notion that the steam game review system is where you rate down a game because your hardware isn't sufficient to run the game at 8K and 500 FPS on an 80 inch monitor. Because, you know... that's the game's fault and has everything to do with GAME PLAY.

[GodMan]

its missing all cool features from the first game and adding perfomance issues to that

[Kain]

Originally posted by Bacon Overlord®:

Originally posted by Mutant Cowboy Turtle:

OK let me start off by saying that I friggin LOVED GAMMA and Anomaly, however, I played the first game not far from it's release date and all other games pretty much as they were released

What's up with the negative reviews? I dont mean the ones that say it's a good game but cant recommend it in its current state, those are understandable

I am talking about those that talk about features that supposedly existed in the original games but not in this one

The ALife system - From what I understand GSC removed it temporarily in order to fix it but I've seen similarities between the current AI and the original. I've seen Stalkers wandering about the map, not as frequently as in Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat but I did see them, they werent just standing at the bases

Enemy AI - I dunno they pretty much behave like in the original games to me, they dont just sit there and take shots at you, at least from my limited experience so far

Anomalies - Some can be temporarily discharged and some are just unavoidable much like in the original games

Mutant body part system - Yes it feels missing, I kinda agree on this one but IMO it's a minor detail

Faction wars - This was a major thing in Clear Sky but I dont recall it being a big deal in other games outside of "everybody fights bandits and Monolith" or "Duty fights Freedom", either way I did witness Stalkers of different factions trying to kill one another

Performance and stability - I am sorry but the original games were pretty damn notorious for being a mess on day one and later after that, difference is that this time GSC is much more involved in fixing the game as so while the performance and bugs do frustrate me, based on previous experience and context I am kinda OK with that, wish the game was a bit more polished on release though

I do wish there was a rudimentary crafting system of sorts and a way to maintain our gear but that's just me

What are your thoughts?

People (kids mostly) have this weird notion that the steam game review system is where you rate down a game because your hardware isn't sufficient to run the game at 8K and 500 FPS on an 80 inch monitor. Because, you know... that's the game's fault and has everything to do with GAME PLAY.

Strawman.

[WhiskeyNinja]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by WhiskeyNinja:

Cyberpunk also got amazing reviews - and was in way worse shape than this. And this game has almost 20 years of fanbase and history. Makes sense to me. If a game is good, and folks are confident bugs will get fixed, they aren't going to score it on something that will get patched. That's happened across the board, nothing new here.

Any game can get amazing reviews, but no, Cyberpunk was highly criticized and one of the few games where there were ACTUAL lawsuis against it, point is, if there is something wrong wit ha product it should be notified and others should be warned. This game is buggy, I got it, but it IS buggy and I would only recommend to those with high tolerance to jank.

What would they sue over? The whole ALife thing? That isn't really going to hold water for false advertising. People refunded CP2077 because it straight up didn't work, it's one of the only cases Sony had to offer refunds and delist something. This is nowhere near that bad.

[Kain]

Originally posted by WhiskeyNinja:

Originally posted by Kain:

Any game can get amazing reviews, but no, Cyberpunk was highly criticized and one of the few games where there were ACTUAL lawsuis against it, point is, if there is something wrong wit ha product it should be notified and others should be warned. This game is buggy, I got it, but it IS buggy and I would only recommend to those with high tolerance to jank.

What would they sue over? The whole ALife thing? That isn't really going to hold water for false advertising. People refunded CP2077 because it straight up didn't work, it's one of the only cases Sony had to offer refunds and delist something. This is nowhere near that bad.

Did I say people should sue stalker? I said cyberpunk was so broken it had lawsuits, so yes, people care about buggy games.