The game uses AI voices.

[◢BAHAMUT BLAST◤]

Was going to purchase the game, but turns out the devs have used AI voices instead of respecting fellow creators enough to hire voice actors or just using text. Do better.

[Panthaquest]

And, yeah, sure, I think we can all agree that they're not the best voicelines out there, but that's the nature of a budget job; you don't get top notch work because you can't afford top notch work, and I believe the devs will get around to replacing the voicelines as they get the budget to do so. Not cheaping out on this regard would have put other elements of the game under the budget axe.

[BloodyPork]

AdrianWerner lähetti viestin:

lifetapstudios lähetti viestin:

We can understand if not everyone is happy about the presence of AI voice actors. We included a voice slider for those not wanting to mute them. I should note there was a need for voiced lines because unvoiced text was hard to read at times whilst flying around, particularly in combat. We also had non-native English speakers being exhausted from the text overload, the voices help alleviate that. Last, our budget was tiny for this project which can be found by looking up our kickstarter. Thus we had to find cost effective methods using AI voices.

You should have at least disclosed the use of AI in the game's store page. Not doing so just feels shifty

Why? Should your clothes manufacturer declare that they use machines? Or should emails have disclaimer below that they steal postman delivery job?

You know what's shifty, people crying about AI. They better be living in a cave without any modern technology otherwise they are a complete hypocrite. Oh I forgot, they need internet to post their cringe whine.

No one should be force to disclose the use of AI just like how no one should be forced to disclose what lunch they ate or which car they drive, in other words, none of your business. If they want to disclose that's up to them and not you. The only reason you want this disclosure is so you can discriminate, no different from forcing devs to disclose their race or whatever so you can discriminate against them.

[AdrianWerner]

BloodyPork lähetti viestin:

AdrianWerner lähetti viestin:

You should have at least disclosed the use of AI in the game's store page. Not doing so just feels shifty

Why? Should your clothes manufacturer declare that they use machines? Or should emails have disclaimer below that they steal postman delivery job?

You know what's shifty, people crying about AI. They better be living in a cave without any modern technology otherwise they are a complete hypocrite. Oh I forgot, they need internet to post their cringe whine.

No one should be force to disclose the use of AI just like how no one should be forced to disclose what lunch they ate or which car they drive, in other words, none of your business. If they want to disclose that's up to them and not you. The only reason you want this disclosure is so you can discriminate, no different from forcing devs to disclose their race or whatever so you can discriminate against them.

Well...clothes manufacturers have to specificy what kind of fibers are used, where it was made etc. And Valve itself requires devs to disclose to them if AI was used, so it's obviously important. I think I will take Valve's own judgement over yours.

And I'm not sure if I'm going to buy specific game that uses AI or not, that will be decided on case to case basis. I did buy some titles like this, while deciding against others, In this case I would be inclined to buy. It's small dev and the price is very low, so I feel like the cost saving using AI is getting passed on to the buyer at least in some degree). But I definitelly won't buy a game where devs tried to hide usage of AI.

And it's stupid for devs to hide it anyway. People will always find out and then you end look looking dishonest. If dev doesn't find anything wrong with using AI he should just state it. There are plenty of people like you who do not care, while those who do avoid feeling like they were scammed.

So overall, if disclosure of AI use will appear on Brew Baron's Steam page I will buy it, as I think it's worth it to support honesty in this area. If they don't however update the page I'm going to be skipping the game, despite the fact that I was looking forward to it.

[Ander]

this guy was probably an unsuccessful voice actor

[Risenzealot]

BloodyPork lähetti viestin:

Risenzealot lähetti viestin:

Don't care 1 bit OP. I'm willing to bet (actually, I know) you are absolutely a hypocrite. People have been losing jobs for years now due to technology. From the grocery store check out clerk to person working on an assembly line. Hey, not to mention thousands of mail delivery people who are no longer needed due to a thing called email.

If you've visited a grocery store, accepted or sent a single email, or purchased any product that come off of an assemble line you are a grade A hypocrite.

I find it funny so many people all of the sudden care about these "starving artist/content creators". No one gave a crap when it was the little man losing out on jobs but now that's it's johnny sky the soulful voice actor, "oh no the humanity" LOL.

Voice actors are going to have to work extra hard and be one of the best or they're going to have to join the rest of us scrubs in the real world and get a real job.

Honestly well said. None of these people give a damn when technology made many lower class, blue collar workers lost their job but now as it is getting more advanced and AI starting being able to replace the more "educated," higher class people's overpaid comfy jobs, many of these privileged virtue signalers start to panic and goes full reactionary. Total hypocrites. All of you voice actors, artists, translators, designers and all these other jobs that will get replaced by AI just need to get a real job instead of crying. Or actually lower your rates to a reasonable level. The cost for all these "assets" to make video games are ridiculously expensive... like cmon I don't mind paying developers good money as it is a difficult taxing job that uses a lot of brainpower but these other things are things that AI can do so please lower your rate, even the delivery guys or plumbers can't be replaced by AI maybe y'all shouldn't be getting paid more than them.

Thank you sir. That's exactly what I was thinking and where I'm coming from. Everyone screaming against this is a full fledged hypocrite plain and simple.

Guess how many CD manufacturers have been put out of business due to Steam and technology Steam users? a metric boat load lol. If you've purchased a single "digital" item you have contributed to hundreds of thousands of people across the world losing jobs. You don't care though, because they are just little peons and not your artsy "talented" voice actors or visual artists lol.

[Erandir]

Get used to it!
AI is here and it will stay.

[Emergy]

Erandir lähetti viestin:

Get used to it!
AI is here and it will stay.

Just like microplastics in water !

[Granny Two Toes]

AdrianWerner lähetti viestin:

BloodyPork lähetti viestin:

Why? Should your clothes manufacturer declare that they use machines? Or should emails have disclaimer below that they steal postman delivery job?

You know what's shifty, people crying about AI. They better be living in a cave without any modern technology otherwise they are a complete hypocrite. Oh I forgot, they need internet to post their cringe whine.

No one should be force to disclose the use of AI just like how no one should be forced to disclose what lunch they ate or which car they drive, in other words, none of your business. If they want to disclose that's up to them and not you. The only reason you want this disclosure is so you can discriminate, no different from forcing devs to disclose their race or whatever so you can discriminate against them.

Well...clothes manufacturers have to specificy what kind of fibers are used, where it was made etc. And Valve itself requires devs to disclose to them if AI was used, so it's obviously important. I think I will take Valve's own judgement over yours.

And I'm not sure if I'm going to buy specific game that uses AI or not, that will be decided on case to case basis. I did buy some titles like this, while deciding against others, In this case I would be inclined to buy. It's small dev and the price is very low, so I feel like the cost saving using AI is getting passed on to the buyer at least in some degree). But I definitelly won't buy a game where devs tried to hide usage of AI.

And it's stupid for devs to hide it anyway. People will always find out and then you end look looking dishonest. If dev doesn't find anything wrong with using AI he should just state it. There are plenty of people like you who do not care, while those who do avoid feeling like they were scammed.

So overall, if disclosure of AI use will appear on Brew Baron's Steam page I will buy it, as I think it's worth it to support honesty in this area. If they don't however update the page I'm going to be skipping the game, despite the fact that I was looking forward to it.

The clothes manufacturers don't disclose if you clothes were made in sweat shops (most were) or if it created by machines nor do I see people really caring.

They don't have to disclose it because it doesn't fall under steam's guidelines. There are different types of AI. In this case it's generative TTS.
It's not shady, you just don't know what you're talking about.

[Jon_Danger]

The developers should disclose their use of AI on the store page so customers can make purchasing decisions if that is something they care about. It shouldn't be a surprise for players. Pretty simple.

And it isn't TTS, the development blog on Kickstarter clearly states they are using new generative AI tools. Just disclose that on the Steam page please.

[Dandy]

Granny Two Toes lähetti viestin:

A. They did use their family and friends for voice acting and then used the AI in combination with those voices. The voicelines are therefore custom.

B. You should do research on the cost of paid voice actors. It's usually pay per line and can be very expensive. The budget was 12k.

How is it worse? Can you tell its AI? Because I can not and it's sounds good. Why are you against it? Are you against the food in your grocery store? If not, you're a hypocrite.

Society will continue to progress with new technology and machine learning. Those that are against it will be left behind because of willful ignorance.

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A. read my comment again.
B. read it one more time
C. It is blatantly obvious its AI. if you can't tell - that speaks to your own ineptitudes. AI is theft not food. If you're going to turn a blind eye to it, that's on you.

Society will progress. Artist aren't going anywhere either, and their not going to use AI when its actively trying to replace them with their own work.

[The People's Champ]

Cool. It hasn't affected my experience in a negative way.

[Granny Two Toes]

Dandylion lähetti viestin:

Granny Two Toes lähetti viestin:

A. They did use their family and friends for voice acting and then used the AI in combination with those voices. The voicelines are therefore custom.

B. You should do research on the cost of paid voice actors. It's usually pay per line and can be very expensive. The budget was 12k.

How is it worse? Can you tell its AI? Because I can not and it's sounds good. Why are you against it? Are you against the food in your grocery store? If not, you're a hypocrite.

Society will continue to progress with new technology and machine learning. Those that are against it will be left behind because of willful ignorance.

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A. read my comment again.
B. read it one more time
C. It is blatantly obvious its AI. if you can't tell - that speaks to your own ineptitudes. AI is theft not food. If you're going to turn a blind eye to it, that's on you.

Society will progress. Artist aren't going anywhere either, and their not going to use AI when its actively trying to replace them with their own work.

It's not stealing..you're daft. If it's a custom voice and genned with AI how is it stealing if the user gives consent(which I imagine they did). You anti-AI people are funny. It's a tool. Just like a machine that packages your goods. Guess what? It takes away from manual labor, but saves costs at the consumer and production level. It has the same use case. You should read a history book or two about how modern technology has advanced and seeks to minimize labor costs..boohoo my artists will have to find a different job that is in line with societal goals.

[Iskandar]

drache444444 lähetti viestin:

Iskandar lähetti viestin:

Nah, the statement "we couldn't afford to not steal artwork" doesn't justify stealing the content. That's what ai is 1:1.

i guess someone doesnt know how ai generation works. especially how ai voice generation works

It's built off the backs of actual artists, by using them as reference.

[Antiga]

I guess you people enjoy being baited and arguing over something you will never have the slightest control over.

[Legata Flavia]

Antiga lähetti viestin:

I guess you people enjoy being baited and arguing over something you will never have the slightest control over.

Its more about not believing how utterly stupid some people are and trying to argue them, but you know... Hard to argue with stupids.