Laxasia is all-powerful. Not cheap aaaat all…

[angelson9999]

So Lies of P is my first soulslike. I am a glorified noob but until Laxasia I have been loving the grind. The game is beautiful, the story is engaging and the mechanics of the game - mostly - encourage you to work hard to learn patterns, get creative in your gameplay, etc.
And then come bosses like Laxasia the Complete… Until then, no matter how much i died - and I died a lot, make no mistakes - I always found the grind to beat a boss rewarding. Laxasia has Completely depleted my patience. I am at the point where I am considering playing something else for a time before MAYBE coming back to Lies of P.
For all that I like this game, they are ramping up the amount of cheap tricks with each boss.
Here are some examples:

-When stuck in a corner, your weapon (even the short ones) is blocked by the wall. The first times it happened, I thought it a fun way to put some realism into the gameplay. But when Laxasia puts you in a corner, her long-ass weapon IGNORES the wall! WTH!
-Am I the only one to marvel at Laxasia’s SUPER graceful way to contort herself mid-combo to follow you to the ends of the earth and more?
-I find the long-ass combos and animations aggravating to no end. Seems like that boss has been designed to chip at your nerves in every way possible.
-Each time I try to beat 1st phase Laxasia, it will not take less than 5mn (if I don’t die), then, I die during that phase 2 in less than 10 seconds. Not lon enough to learn her moveset in any case. And then, I have to try to go through phase 1 as quickly as I can…

All this to say, as much as I like how challenging this game can be, my patience is coming to an end.
Of course, the problem also lies with me: I decided to challenge myself by sticking with the Puppet’s Saber ans not using summons.
As for the acid grindstone - which is apparently effective against Laxypoo - I find the fact that it’s so rare an other added cheap difficulty.
Well, that is my experience of the game so far. Maybe I’ll get myself out of this predicament, maybe not. We’ll see how it goes.
Does that resonate with anyone ? What was your experience with Laxasia like?

[电动天使]

Instead of listing why you are or are not wrong, I'll just say this: Each attack is a question and they all have an answer. Focus on finding the answer instead of complaining and you'll improve much faster. A "trick" would be cheap if you had no way of dealing with it, but everything in the game is more than solvable.

[angelson9999]

Thank you for that nugget of wisdom ^^! I really likes the question / answer analogy! Very poetic!

[sgrey]

angelson9999 a écrit :

AND DONE!!! Rest in peace Laxypoo!!!

Congrats :) Now the hand of god has truly awakened :D

[sgrey]

♥♥♥♥ a écrit :

Instead of listing why you are or are not wrong, I'll just say this: Each attack is a question and they all have an answer. Focus on finding the answer instead of complaining and you'll improve much faster. A "trick" would be cheap if you had no way of dealing with it, but everything in the game is more than solvable.

You have very toxic and very common personality among souls players where any kind of criticism of the game is answered by "you just suck, git gud!", which you basically have said here twice already, in different words.
Just go and enjoy the game if you are so passionate and don't tell people how much they suck when they ask for help with an obviously difficult boss for obvious reasons.

[电动天使]

sgrey a écrit :

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Instead of listing why you are or are not wrong, I'll just say this: Each attack is a question and they all have an answer. Focus on finding the answer instead of complaining and you'll improve much faster. A "trick" would be cheap if you had no way of dealing with it, but everything in the game is more than solvable.

You have very toxic and very common personality among souls players where any kind of criticism of the game is answered by "you just suck, git gud!", which you basically have said here twice already, in different words.
Just go and enjoy the game if you are so passionate and don't tell people how much they suck when they ask for help with an obviously difficult boss for obvious reasons.

It's easier to ask for help by asking for specifics, rather than saying the game is unfair.

[sgrey]

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sgrey a écrit :

You have very toxic and very common personality among souls players where any kind of criticism of the game is answered by "you just suck, git gud!", which you basically have said here twice already, in different words.
Just go and enjoy the game if you are so passionate and don't tell people how much they suck when they ask for help with an obviously difficult boss for obvious reasons.

It's easier to ask for help by asking for specifics, rather than saying the game is unfair.

These games are by the definition and by design are unfair, that's the whole shtick of souls and souls-like - being hard because they are unfair. There is nothing wrong in saying it's unfair. He also listed specific things that he struggles with, obviously. Not only in the first post, but more details later in replies. Yet you chose to start an argument with someone who is already struggling with the game instead of giving advice and maybe even (sic!) encourage someone to keep playing!? And then people wonder why souls community is considered toxic and unwelcoming. Sure, being supportive is not an internet thing, but one could only hope.

[Ashenran]

don't get baited... he speak about cheap and poor when he don't use tools, tha's an obvious bait, her fight took me like.... 30 min like all the other's x)

[sgrey]

Ashenran a écrit :

don't get baited... he speak about cheap and poor when he don't use tools, tha's an obvious bait, her fight took me like.... 30 min like all the other's x)

What he is doing is trying to learn how to fight her properly by learning her moves and parrying/blocking/dodging her. And he succeeded in the end, if you actually read the topic. But it took a week. It took me about 6-7 hours over the span of 3 days to beat her just by using the weapon and nothing else. It took me 5 minutes to beat her by using summons, bombs and all other jazz the game provides.
And she is indeed cheap. Her moves are very fast, many are not telegraphed or the timings are so tight, it's super hard to get it right since you have to start parrying way before your brain even registers the telegraph. And then she kills you in basically one-two moves during phase 2.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to fight the boss by not using summons and such. And he actually tried to use every other tool the game provides.

[Ashenran]

sgrey a écrit :

Ashenran a écrit :

don't get baited... he speak about cheap and poor when he don't use tools, tha's an obvious bait, her fight took me like.... 30 min like all the other's x)

What he is doing is trying to learn how to fight her properly by learning her moves and parrying/blocking/dodging her. And he succeeded in the end, if you actually read the topic. But it took a week. It took me about 6-7 hours over the span of 3 days to beat her just by using the weapon and nothing else. It took me 5 minutes to beat her by using summons, bombs and all other jazz the game provides.
And she is indeed cheap. Her moves are very fast, many are not telegraphed or the timings are so tight, it's super hard to get it right since you have to start parrying way before your brain even registers the telegraph. And then she kills you in basically one-two moves during phase 2.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to fight the boss by not using summons and such. And he actually tried to use every other tool the game provides.

My first LoP run was weapon no upgrade and myself leveled only at weapons requierment and no one single more level. She took me.. 30 min, and it was the first run without using anything but parry because Devil may cry taught me well. x)

[sgrey]

Ashenran a écrit :

sgrey a écrit :

What he is doing is trying to learn how to fight her properly by learning her moves and parrying/blocking/dodging her. And he succeeded in the end, if you actually read the topic. But it took a week. It took me about 6-7 hours over the span of 3 days to beat her just by using the weapon and nothing else. It took me 5 minutes to beat her by using summons, bombs and all other jazz the game provides.
And she is indeed cheap. Her moves are very fast, many are not telegraphed or the timings are so tight, it's super hard to get it right since you have to start parrying way before your brain even registers the telegraph. And then she kills you in basically one-two moves during phase 2.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to fight the boss by not using summons and such. And he actually tried to use every other tool the game provides.

My first LoP run was weapon no upgrade and myself leveled only at weapons requierment and no one single more level. She took me.. 30 min, and it was the first run without using anything but parry because Devil may cry taught me well. x)

Everyone will differ based on build and how much souls experience they have... I was specifically trying to master TDS and I am also not a big souls player, so I don't have a lot of experience in these games. I've seen people taking 2-3 tries to kill her on the first playthrough without any gimmicks.

[电动天使]

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It's easier to ask for help by asking for specifics, rather than saying the game is unfair.

These games are by the definition and by design are unfair, that's the whole shtick of souls and souls-like - being hard because they are unfair. There is nothing wrong in saying it's unfair. He also listed specific things that he struggles with, obviously. Not only in the first post, but more details later in replies. Yet you chose to start an argument with someone who is already struggling with the game instead of giving advice and maybe even (sic!) encourage someone to keep playing!? And then people wonder why souls community is considered toxic and unwelcoming. Sure, being supportive is not an internet thing, but one could only hope.

They're not unfair by design. If they were, there would be things you're unable to deal with. As it stands, everything in the game has a perfect answer to it, which I also explained in a previous reply. That's hardly unfair, considering how answering correctly even once is enough to put the enemy in a ridiculously unfavorable and unwinnable situation.

If you'd like me to elaborate on anything, let me know.

[angelson9999]

I just sent Simon Manus on his way. He was waaaaaaay easier than Laxypoo! On to the next fight! Thank tou everyone for all your advices! I read them all even if I don’t always answer! I’m learning lota from y’all and from the game! On to the next lie!!!

[Laharl]

angelson9999 a écrit :

You’re right about the grindstones at the hotel. I have actually bought them all. Thing is, they only sell a limited number of them. As long as I don’t know Laxasia’s moveset - beyond the lightning you can indeed reflect back at her - I don’t want to waste them.
As for the summons, there is absolutely no shame in using them. I just learn my adversary’s moveset easier if they attack me instead of the summon.
For the moment, I am able to reflect the lightning in the beginning, but then, I die very quickly. And that’s if I don’t die from her unblockable charge…

Theres a better (infinite vendor) that sells nearly all throwables and grindstones.

Go to Malum district main area go through the shortcut door you likely opened before fighting the black rabbit brotherhood. The area has one of those monsters that impales you and has a lobster on the side of the wall by the entrances.

Go down the stairs and theres a ladder in a corner in a room with no enemies. Go up that ladder and the vendor will sell you EVERYTHING and its cheaper than the hotel tbh. btw grab the carcas fluids they do a good deal of damage to her (even more on nameless puppet).

[sgrey]

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sgrey a écrit :

These games are by the definition and by design are unfair, that's the whole shtick of souls and souls-like - being hard because they are unfair. There is nothing wrong in saying it's unfair. He also listed specific things that he struggles with, obviously. Not only in the first post, but more details later in replies. Yet you chose to start an argument with someone who is already struggling with the game instead of giving advice and maybe even (sic!) encourage someone to keep playing!? And then people wonder why souls community is considered toxic and unwelcoming. Sure, being supportive is not an internet thing, but one could only hope.

They're not unfair by design. If they were, there would be things you're unable to deal with. As it stands, everything in the game has a perfect answer to it, which I also explained in a previous reply. That's hardly unfair, considering how answering correctly even once is enough to put the enemy in a ridiculously unfavorable and unwinnable situation.

If you'd like me to elaborate on anything, let me know.

I take it you do no damage runs of the game, since you are perfectly answering everything in the game. Good for you.

[电动天使]

sgrey a écrit :

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They're not unfair by design. If they were, there would be things you're unable to deal with. As it stands, everything in the game has a perfect answer to it, which I also explained in a previous reply. That's hardly unfair, considering how answering correctly even once is enough to put the enemy in a ridiculously unfavorable and unwinnable situation.

If you'd like me to elaborate on anything, let me know.

I take it you do no damage runs of the game, since you are perfectly answering everything in the game. Good for you.

I don't.

You're not really attacking my point by dismissing what I've said this way. Is the game balanced unfavorably towards the player? It is not. That's a fact and if you do have a concrete example of something that is legitimately unfair or impossible to deal with, I'd like to hear it.

You're clearly biased towards me for some reason so I don't actually expect you to provide anything except another snarky remark or hateful comment.