What's the point to use Denuvo if you made your game on gamepass day1-release

[mP3+Z]

People who has no interest to pay full price will try gamepass with small price, otherwise they won't pay at all in any price.

Idk how much money or how many cut the dev has to paid to Denuvo, but it's total not worth it as long as your game is gamepass day1-release.

[Rena Ichigawa]

Because even a small payment is more than none at all.

[Shihong]

Honestly I feel like the sales lost from not having Denuvo is far lower than the sales gained from good word of mouth by avoiding the Denuvo controversy altogether.

[Raion]

I was looking forward to this actually, but have a strong principle to not support games with Denuvo, unless it's like on a STEEP sale on a key site. Or Game pass as the OP said. Because honestly, WHY did they even put it in? Smells like someone isn't confident in their game being good if you ask me. Because I am getting Atomic Hearts flashbacks here.

If the devs and the publishers want to treat all customers like criminals, then I have no qualm acting like one. What's worse than pirating? Getting the key on a site that sells it cheaper and $0 going to the publisher/dev. And I won't feel sorry about that :3

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Raionhato:

I was looking forward to this actually, but have a strong principle to not support games with Denuvo, unless it's like on a STEEP sale on a key site. Or Game pass as the OP said. Because honestly, WHY did they even put it in? Smells like someone isn't confident in their game being good if you ask me. Because I am getting Atomic Hearts flashbacks here.

If the devs and the publishers want to treat all customers like criminals, then I have no qualm acting like one. What's worse than pirating? Getting the key on a site that sells it cheaper and $0 going to the publisher/dev. And I won't feel sorry about that :3

This is such a dumb take.

Is buying a car alarm 'treating all pedestrians like criminals'
Is a fire alarm 'treating all customers like arsonists'
Is asking for a receipt 'treating all sellers like criminals'

DRM makes you feel like a pirate because you are one, otherwise you have zero need to feel that way.

[Grandpa's Scary Stories]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Originally posted by Raionhato:

I was looking forward to this actually, but have a strong principle to not support games with Denuvo, unless it's like on a STEEP sale on a key site. Or Game pass as the OP said. Because honestly, WHY did they even put it in? Smells like someone isn't confident in their game being good if you ask me. Because I am getting Atomic Hearts flashbacks here.

If the devs and the publishers want to treat all customers like criminals, then I have no qualm acting like one. What's worse than pirating? Getting the key on a site that sells it cheaper and $0 going to the publisher/dev. And I won't feel sorry about that :3

This is such a dumb take.

Is buying a car alarm 'treating all pedestrians like criminals'
Is a fire alarm 'treating all customers like arsonists'
Is asking for a receipt 'treating all sellers like criminals'

DRM makes you feel like a pirate because you are one, otherwise you have zero need to feel that way.

The DRM will be removed by pirates and crackers regardless. What point is there in alienating sales from people who hate DRM when it will just be irrelevant in a few days to a week? You'd probably make more money through word of mouth for not having DRM, as well as saving money from implementing DRM (it isn't a cheap price tag), and have an overall happier player base. Or they can ignore all that, look scummy, and I can get the game for free, with DRM removed while you pay $60 dollars and have an objectively worse performing product because you DID pay for it. Performance issues aside, the fact that people actively defend DRM is wild. The fact that a pirate will get a better performing game overall than someone who paid legit for it is a huge reason why people have an issue with it. You will be paying for the inferior version.

[N7 ElusiveOne]

Originally posted by Shihong:

Honestly I feel like the sales lost from not having Denuvo is far lower than the sales gained from good word of mouth by avoiding the Denuvo controversy altogether.

Why is this something you have to "feel." Either it is or it isn't. If you don't know then don't claim to know. Consumers make it sound like Denuvo is a net negative 100% of the time, and yet developers continue to use it. Is it not obvious that complaining about Denuvo every new release has yet to change the behaviors of developers?

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Grandpa's Scary Stories:

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

This is such a dumb take.

Is buying a car alarm 'treating all pedestrians like criminals'
Is a fire alarm 'treating all customers like arsonists'
Is asking for a receipt 'treating all sellers like criminals'

DRM makes you feel like a pirate because you are one, otherwise you have zero need to feel that way.

The DRM will be removed by pirates and crackers regardless. What point is there in alienating sales from people who hate DRM when it will just be irrelevant in a few days to a week? You'd probably make more money through word of mouth for not having DRM, as well as saving money from implementing DRM (it isn't a cheap price tag), and have an overall happier player base. Or they can ignore all that, look scummy, and I can get the game for free, with DRM removed while you pay $60 dollars and have an objectively worse performing product because you DID pay for it. Performance issues aside, the fact that people actively defend DRM is wild. The fact that a pirate will get a better performing game overall than someone who paid legit for it is a huge reason why people have an issue with it. You will be paying for the inferior version.

Are you sure about that?

in 2022 only one of the 36 Denuvo protected games were cracked.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/crackwatch-in-2022-only-one-denuvo-game-was-cracked-from-thirty-six-releases.1649681/

And the current version, released in March of this year was called 'uncrackable" by Empress, the only person currently cracking Denuvo games.

https://www.wired.com/story/empress-drm-cracking-denuvo-video-game-piracy/

[CheeseBoar]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Originally posted by Raionhato:

I was looking forward to this actually, but have a strong principle to not support games with Denuvo, unless it's like on a STEEP sale on a key site. Or Game pass as the OP said. Because honestly, WHY did they even put it in? Smells like someone isn't confident in their game being good if you ask me. Because I am getting Atomic Hearts flashbacks here.

If the devs and the publishers want to treat all customers like criminals, then I have no qualm acting like one. What's worse than pirating? Getting the key on a site that sells it cheaper and $0 going to the publisher/dev. And I won't feel sorry about that :3

This is such a dumb take.

Is buying a car alarm 'treating all pedestrians like criminals'
Is a fire alarm 'treating all customers like arsonists'
Is asking for a receipt 'treating all sellers like criminals'

DRM makes you feel like a pirate because you are one, otherwise you have zero need to feel that way.

Yours is the dumb take.

A car alarm in a car is there to protect something you've already bought for yourself, not something you plan on using to try to make money from other people.

A fire alarm is there to protect your life from something that can be naturally-occurring, something that can occur accidentally, and something that can be caused by things that aren't alive, and arson is more than likely not even on someone's mind when an alarm is purchased.

Asking for a receipt can be for tax purposes, to keep track of your personal finances, or to make sure you can return the product later.

Denuvo serves one single purpose: To control whether or not a customer is allowed to play what they've already paid for.

Here are a couple of analogies for you:

Would you be okay with being required to call the dealership from which you bought your car before you're allowed to drive it?

Would you be okay with being required check in with your local fire department every day, and if you don't, your fire alarm stops working?

If you're not okay with those things, then you shouldn't be okay with DRM forcing you to ask permission to play a game that you've already purchased. You may be okay with throwing your money away on a company that automatically assumes that you have malicious intent, but the rest of us don't have to be. Thankfully, there's always Game Pass or console versions -- used -- to take care of that.

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

This is such a dumb take.

Is buying a car alarm 'treating all pedestrians like criminals'
Is a fire alarm 'treating all customers like arsonists'
Is asking for a receipt 'treating all sellers like criminals'

DRM makes you feel like a pirate because you are one, otherwise you have zero need to feel that way.

Yours is the dumb take.

A car alarm in a car is there to protect something you've already bought for yourself, not something you plan on using to try to make money from other people.

A fire alarm is there to protect your life from something that can be naturally-occurring, something that can occur accidentally, and something that can be caused by things that aren't alive, and arson is more than likely not even on someone's mind when an alarm is purchased.

Asking for a receipt can be for tax purposes, to keep track of your personal finances, or to make sure you can return the product later.

Denuvo serves one single purpose: To control whether or not a customer is allowed to play what they've already paid for.

Here are a couple of analogies for you:

Would you be okay with being required to call the dealership from which you bought your car before you're allowed to drive it?

Would you be okay with being required check in with your local fire department every day, and if you don't, your fire alarm stops working?

If you're not okay with those things, then you shouldn't be okay with DRM forcing you to ask permission to play a game that you've already purchased. You may be okay with throwing your money away on a company that automatically assumes that you have malicious intent, but the rest of us don't have to be. Thankfully, there's always Game Pass or console versions -- used -- to take care of that.

You haven't purchased a game, you've purchased a licence to play someone else's game on the condition you abide by their EULA.

Video games cost in the 100s of Millions to create and market, even if you were buying shares your $70 wouldn't give you a 0.1% stake.

You don't own anything.

[CheeseBoar]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Yours is the dumb take.

A car alarm in a car is there to protect something you've already bought for yourself, not something you plan on using to try to make money from other people.

A fire alarm is there to protect your life from something that can be naturally-occurring, something that can occur accidentally, and something that can be caused by things that aren't alive, and arson is more than likely not even on someone's mind when an alarm is purchased.

Asking for a receipt can be for tax purposes, to keep track of your personal finances, or to make sure you can return the product later.

Denuvo serves one single purpose: To control whether or not a customer is allowed to play what they've already paid for.

Here are a couple of analogies for you:

Would you be okay with being required to call the dealership from which you bought your car before you're allowed to drive it?

Would you be okay with being required check in with your local fire department every day, and if you don't, your fire alarm stops working?

If you're not okay with those things, then you shouldn't be okay with DRM forcing you to ask permission to play a game that you've already purchased. You may be okay with throwing your money away on a company that automatically assumes that you have malicious intent, but the rest of us don't have to be. Thankfully, there's always Game Pass or console versions -- used -- to take care of that.

You haven't purchased a game, you've purchased a licence to play someone else's game on the condition you abide by their EULA.

Video games cost in the 100s of Millions to create and market, even if you were buying shares your $70 wouldn't give you a 0.1% stake.

You don't own anything.

On paper I don't own anything, sure, but in practice, I own everything I've purchased that isn't tied to a server. Steam in Offline Mode lasts indefinitely; you can copy/paste your entire Steam installation and library to another completely offline machine, and any games that don't have extra DRM will work forever. The only way to stop someone from playing what they've backed up is to do to their house and physically take them off of their property, which I can't see any company doing if you're not going something dumb, like selling copies. License vs. ownership really doesn't matter at that point.

Denuvo games, on the other hand, have a built-in off switch that has already been flipped on people more than once, for reasons as stupid as Irdeto literally forgetting to renew their domain.

[nerdrage]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Originally posted by Grandpa's Scary Stories:

The DRM will be removed by pirates and crackers regardless. What point is there in alienating sales from people who hate DRM when it will just be irrelevant in a few days to a week? You'd probably make more money through word of mouth for not having DRM, as well as saving money from implementing DRM (it isn't a cheap price tag), and have an overall happier player base. Or they can ignore all that, look scummy, and I can get the game for free, with DRM removed while you pay $60 dollars and have an objectively worse performing product because you DID pay for it. Performance issues aside, the fact that people actively defend DRM is wild. The fact that a pirate will get a better performing game overall than someone who paid legit for it is a huge reason why people have an issue with it. You will be paying for the inferior version.

Are you sure about that?

in 2022 only one of the 36 Denuvo protected games were cracked.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/crackwatch-in-2022-only-one-denuvo-game-was-cracked-from-thirty-six-releases.1649681/

And the current version, released in March of this year was called 'uncrackable" by Empress, the only person currently cracking Denuvo games.

https://www.wired.com/story/empress-drm-cracking-denuvo-video-game-piracy/

Empress cracked Hogwarts Legacy , RE4 and Starfield , the fact she didnt crack much in 2022 is cause most games wheres not wanted by the community.

[hisv]

Originally posted by Shihong:

Honestly I feel like the sales lost from not having Denuvo is far lower than the sales gained from good word of mouth by avoiding the Denuvo controversy altogether.

I also feel that way.

And anedoctal, but I had zero stutters or lag in the demo, but I've been having some periodic stutters on the game playing on gamepass. Thanks denuvo I guess, at least pirates won't be playing the game while my game lags.

[Veraxus]

Originally posted by Rena Ichigawa:

Because even a small payment is more than none at all.

I won't buy anything infested with Denuvo's malware. So instead of getting my money at full price, they get... yep, none at all.

[N7 ElusiveOne]

Originally posted by Veraxus:

I won't buy anything infested with Denuvo's malware. So instead of getting my money at full price, they get... yep, none at all.

Did you know this game is on gamepass and also runs amazingly well? The game is a work of art, give it a shot.