Denuvo.

[K0NG]

so you want to prevent the game to be cracked and downloaded mostly in countries where people can't afford the game anyways.
and now you put a invasive, anti consumer DRM in your game to prevent earning money because people in countries where they can afford it will not buy it.

it's like putting handcuffs on everyone going into a store to prevent theft. i will buy something else instead.

[B the Self]

Now let's see people flood here and say you're wrong
But Baldurs Gate is Global too seller and has no DRM , but oh well no no can't say that here? game without DENUVO selling well? blame the torrents!!!

[K0NG]

it's the same with people defending that amazon, microsoft and google are basically surveilling their whole life.... "ThEy NeEd To MaKe MoNeY tOo"
who cares if the same 10k people that are pirating everything and NEVER buy a game anyways can pirate it on day one instead of a week later when it's cracked.
don't treat your paying customers like criminals = Profit.

[FuryGentleman]

yeah check the latest garbage games like Immortals of Aveum - it's dead already and denuvo not helping with sales

[lukaself]

Originally posted by MrWorthy:

Now let's see people flood here and say you're wrong
But Baldurs Gate is Global too seller and has no DRM , but oh well no no can't say that here? game without DENUVO selling well? blame the torrents!!!

It's been shown a long time ago that piracy is a service problem. Even Gabe Newell explained very well that if they're offering the best service on the market as an incentive - and noone can deny they do - and someone still decide to pirate, then they either did not have the means to buy or weren't interested in your product in the first place.

And in spite of literally everyone telling them that it's counter productive and multiple examples of companies breaking sales records while not using abusive DRM, what does Neowiz do? Make their value proposition worse by including Denuvo. Yeah makes sense...

Denuvo are scammers and I'm tired of seeing good developers falling prey to them.

[Q]

i expect the "dEnuVO is sAVinG gAMes" argument. ppl who truly believes that this kind of protection is saving the industry, it's the same old argument since the 70's with cassete audio tapes, beta and vhs.

Or the "bruh just get a job u need a better computer" a classic straw man fallacy used to divert the topic. Sure, improve your potato to compensate the drop in performance thx to denuvo.

Or "its the implementation not the drm itself" well there's a point here, still its a diversion, denuvo is anti-consumer no matter what, even if dev impletented the drm perfectly with no visual drop in performance compared to clean version, that won't make denuvo something good for ya it gives you nothing at all no benefit whatsoever.

Games with no denuvo have sold 10000000 copies showing that denuvo is useless if your game is actually good, then we have other cases where pretty good games had denuvo and few weeks later the game was cracked, guess what? the company didn't went bankrupt, the game sold even more copies, anyways, denuvo sucks.

[Chacheya1G]

I was thinking about getting the Deluxe edition on Playstation.. now i don't think i will bother even with the normal (poor people) edition.

[Chacheya1G]

Originally posted by Smol Hobbit:

i expect the "dEnuVO is sAVinG gAMes" argument. ppl who truly believes that this kind of protection is saving the industry, it's the same old argument since the 70's with cassete audio tapes, beta and vhs.

Or the "bruh just get a job u need a better computer" a classic straw man fallacy used to divert the topic. Sure, improve your potato to compensate the drop in performance thx to denuvo.

Or "its the implementation not the drm itself" well there's a point here, still its a diversion, denuvo is anti-consumer no matter what, even if dev impletented the drm perfectly with no visual drop in performance compared to clean version, that won't make denuvo something good for ya it gives you nothing at all no benefit whatsoever.

Games with no denuvo have sold 10000000 copies showing that denuvo is useless if your game is actually good, then we have other cases where pretty good games had denuvo and few weeks later the game was cracked, guess what? the company didn't went bankrupt, the game sold even more copies, anyways, denuvo sucks.

Correct - i see Denuvo implementation as a sign of "we don't wanna allow our clients to sample the product before buying" mentality because the company does not trust the game can sell on its merits alone.

[Virake]

Originally posted by Chacheya1G:

Correct - i see Denuvo implementation as a sign of "we don't wanna allow our clients to sample the product before buying" mentality because the company does not trust the game can sell on its merits alone.

except there WAS a demo, so they obviously have confidence in their product. this DRM nonsense is just a sign of some out of touch corporate executive's paranoia.

[DCyph3r]

Thank god, I don't Pre-purchase anything!!
Now I'll buy this on sale for 15€.

[76561199548878036]

Buy the Deluxe, finish before the actual release, refund. ggez

[Brutalness]

This is why I don't pre order shady ♥♥♥♥ like this. I will skip this game now

[moe]

honestly its a hard sell for me because of denuvo. was insta buy without denuvo (undecided)

[Maximilion13]

denovo never stopped anyone from pirating the games. heck day 1 people who sail the 7 seas enjoy playing for free while legit players suffer of the game not working.
this might not happen to lies of P but it happened to me in some of the games. and it's common

[SadPlatty©]

Honestly - even if Denuvo didn't exist, and DRM was just a myth, piracy would just be worse as it would be simpler. Am not one to believe it is the sole reason a number of people pirate things, unlike cost which actually makes some sense.

It may not be great - but y'all have some either super stringent requirements to play a game (4k UW 120+ FPS) or are just running potatoes and can't handle the fact that you need to spend money eventually to keep gaming on PC. Sure - rarely a game is heavily impacted (Callisto Protocol I think was most recent example), but how much of that isn't related to other issues with maybe the code/engine/etc.

Not even defending it either - just wild you people have been crying for 10+ years and even with perfect examples (Lords of the Fallen og release in 2014 completely ruined supposedly because of Denuvo to the point they re-made the game; pirated versions ran smooth like butter day 1), you still don't have enough evidence to do anything about it - beyond spamming threads on steam daily because apparently you all have so much free time since you can't play any games now (thanks Denuvo).

Besides, there must be some reason they didn't use the home-grown Steam DRM like Elden Ring/AC6/others did.

[B the Self]

Originally posted by SadPlatty©:

Honestly - even if Denuvo didn't exist, and DRM was just a myth, piracy would just be worse as it would be simpler. Am not one to believe it is the sole reason a number of people pirate things, unlike cost which actually makes some sense.

It may not be great - but y'all have some either super stringent requirements to play a game (4k UW 120+ FPS) or are just running potatoes and can't handle the fact that you need to spend money eventually to keep gaming on PC. Sure - rarely a game is heavily impacted (Callisto Protocol I think was most recent example), but how much of that isn't related to other issues with maybe the code/engine/etc.

Not even defending it either - just wild you people have been crying for 10+ years and even with perfect examples (Lords of the Fallen og release in 2014 completely ruined supposedly because of Denuvo to the point they re-made the game; pirated versions ran smooth like butter day 1), you still don't have enough evidence to do anything about it - beyond spamming threads on steam daily because apparently you all have so much free time since you can't play any games now (thanks Denuvo).

Besides, there must be some reason they didn't use the home-grown Steam DRM like Elden Ring/AC6/others did.

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