Denuvo??

[lukaself]

Why? It will only make you lose sales -mine for starters! It's regrettable seeing one more otherwise promising dev faling prey to the lies of the snake oil salesman. To the ignore list it goes until they hopefully come back to their senses.

For reference, The effects of this DRM have been widely documented: Denuvo anti-tamper for instance adds limits to how you can use the products, installation limits, online requirement, dependency to a third party server and domain as well as encryption, obfuscation and running the executable through a VM which causes incompatibilities and diminished performance on some implementations. It makes a small yet pivotal subset of mods such as script extenders more complicated to make. It has the ability to occasionally block users from enjoying their purchases temporarily when the undisclosed conditions aren't met and permanently when the servers, the company or the publisher close their doors.

This resulted in large scale issues and outages such as Unplayable games, performance issues and incompatibilities. Add to this the problems it causes with the Steam deck due to limiting hardware switches to 5 a day. It also causes occasional individual issues at random.
You can see it happening on video here: Can't play MH:Rise because of DRM (live in front of 60k viewers)[clips.twitch.tv]

Edit: Thanks a lot for the awards everyone. It feels great being supported.

[Deatheye]

Denuvo itself isn't the problem. The real problem is the implementation.

Resident Evil 4 for example runs just fine with it and looking at the good optimization of Lies of P, I'm looking forward Denuvo will cause no issues.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Deatheye:

Denuvo itself isn't the problem. The real problem is the implementation.

Resident Evil 4 for example runs just fine with it and looking at the good optimization of Lies of P, I'm looking forward Denuvo will cause no issues.

Follow the links: The problem isn't only with performance. Most of what I linked isn't down to implementation but limits that are by design. Even if it were all minor, which it isn't, the fact they wasted development resources on something that in ten years hasn't been ever able to prove it even slightly affects the sales in a positive manner is already a waste bringing the game down. They could have used the money and time to improve the game further instead, but they'd rather believe a company known to routinely lie -which shows that they have the wrong priorities. For crying out loud, can't those companies do even the slightest research before they fall for scams like this one?

Denuvo's product page claims that the middleware has protected 1000+ games despite last count being only 341 games using DAT and 3 using DAC. (and removed from about a hundred titles since). Despite their boast of being a world leader in digital security Irdeto itself does not seem to be a leader of anything. They don't appear in any software analyst's publications for the 20, 30 or even 150 best cybersecurity firms... they're not even a footnote[threat.technology] in lists limited to their home country, the Netherlands. All the awards featured on their product pages are phony vanity awards[en.wikipedia.org] received in exchange for a 800$ fee[cybersecurity-excellence-awards.com]... you can even create your own custom category to compete all by yourself for a 1800$ "sponsor" fee. Their main revenue appears to come from designing tv decoder boxes exclusively for the African Market.

And don't start me on their parent company, Multichoice group with links to human rights violations, fraud and ironically, multiple copyright infringements.

[Red]

based denuvo i will be buying

[Deatheye]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by Deatheye:

Denuvo itself isn't the problem. The real problem is the implementation.

Resident Evil 4 for example runs just fine with it and looking at the good optimization of Lies of P, I'm looking forward Denuvo will cause no issues.

Ah... one of those which even with multiple sources will still deny the negative effects of the middleware.

There is no noticeable negative effect if implemented correctly.

[B the Self]

Originally posted by Deatheye:

Originally posted by lukaself:

Ah... one of those which even with multiple sources will still deny the negative effects of the middleware.

There is no noticeable negative effect if implemented correctly.

this is so fake just go to YouTube and check video comparisons

[Deatheye]

Originally posted by MrWorthy:

Originally posted by Deatheye:

There is no noticeable negative effect if implemented correctly.

this is so fake just go to YouTube and check video comparisons

What about " if implemented correctly" don't you understand?

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Deatheye:

Originally posted by MrWorthy:

this is so fake just go to YouTube and check video comparisons

What about " if implemented correctly" don't you understand?

This has been adressed already. You seem stuck in a denial loop.

I've seen actual bots which would have scored higher in a Turing test.

[Virake]

Originally posted by Deatheye:

Denuvo itself isn't the problem. The real problem is the implementation.

Resident Evil 4 for example runs just fine with it and looking at the good optimization of Lies of P, I'm looking forward Denuvo will cause no issues.

just because the game won't become completely unplayable doesn't mean we should accept this. if the game without Denuvo can ran at 200 fps, then we, paying customers, have the right to that level of performance. we also have the right to not be locked out of the game, or experience other issues just because the publisher is paranoid about piracy.

[lukaself]

I'm sooo disappointed. This game had been on my wishlist for so long... always on the edge of pre-ordering. That low blow made sure to push me back. That's incredibly asinine... even big publishers have a hard time shouldering the negativity when they use Denuvo so why did they think they could do it better? ... see Doom Eternal, see Immortals of Aveum and how it flopped despite huge production values, Forspoken... On the other hand, Baldur's gate 3, The Witcher, Cyberpunk, Terraria, Minecraft etc... they all broke sales records while being completely DRM-free. Even Elden Ring didn't use Denuvo.

If they're even a little bit informed about the video game industry, they have to know that, right? So why? They're not even trying to soften the blow by using proper PR and transparency with their fans, they just slapped it on the game and called it a day. It would have been more productive and way more efficient against piracy to simply add more languages, quality assurance or even more marketing than spending half a million on a useless middleware. What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ waste.

[Wilku21]

Originally posted by lukaself:

I'm sooo disappointed. This game had been on my wishlist for so long... always on the edge of pre-ordering. That low blow made sure to push me back. That's incredibly asinine... even big publishers have a hard time shouldering the negativity when they use Denuvo so why did they think they could do it better? ... see Doom Eternal, see Immortals of Aveum and how it flopped despite huge production values, Forspoken... On the other hand, Baldur's gate 3, The Witcher, Cyberpunk, Terraria, Minecraft etc... they all broke sales records while being completely DRM-free. Even Elden Ring didn't use Denuvo.

If they're even a little bit informed about the video game industry, they have to know that, right? So why? They're not even trying to soften the blow by using proper PR and transparency with their fans, they just slapped it on the game and called it a day. It would have been more productive and way more efficient against piracy to simply add more languages, quality assurance or even more marketing than spending half a million on a useless middleware. What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ waste. :clickbutton:

Devs are becoming very disrespectful these days and that's sad. Sneaking DRM in, lying to fans, not finishing products, etc. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Wilku21:

Devs are becoming very disrespectful these days and that's sad. Sneaking DRM in, lying to fans, not finishing products, etc. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying

Some of them, yeah. Fortunately, the gaming industry has never been so rich and varied. There are still developers who understand that transparency, quality, affordability and availability are something customers crave these days and they're making a killing in terms of sales, so I have no qualms with taking my money elsewhere and supporting them instead.

People are tired and more and more of them want "organic" games without the usual toxic acronyms the AAA industry came up with along abusive business practices they're trying very hard to get normalized. I hope Neowiz end up understanding that, by upholding that toxicity, they're just handing their hard earned sales over to a competitor which will have a more balanced approach between customer satisfaction and profits.

[Virake]

Originally posted by Wilku21:

Devs are becoming very disrespectful these days and that's sad. Sneaking DRM in, lying to fans, not finishing products, etc. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying

but not the developers of this game, that's what hurts the most. these devs seemed very open and appreciative of the community.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Virake:

Originally posted by Wilku21:

Devs are becoming very disrespectful these days and that's sad. Sneaking DRM in, lying to fans, not finishing products, etc. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying

but not the developers of this game, that's what hurts the most. these devs seemed very open and appreciative of the community.

Yeah that's what hurts. I've supported them for a long time because of that, ever since the first trailer for this game hit.

[CheeseBoar]

Holy crap, I'm really disappointed in this, especially since the demo is DRM-free. This is going on the ignore list.

[Sabër]

never had any issue with a denuvo product fwiw, i dont mind it, it just means less piracy. If you're against denuvo because you get issues just don't buy it, no one gives a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it