Difficulty question

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How difficult is this game? Is it harder than dark souls?

[LuckyCheshire]

In both difficulty and design, it's very comparable to DS3. There are options to help you out if you're having trouble, though. Most bosses have a place where you can summon a computer-controlled helper, and throwable items are actually very powerful here so unloading several on a boss will knock out a considerable amount of health. It's not an easy game, but it's consistent and it rewards skill, practice, and patience.

[Kotton]

so far no . this has been the second easiest so far , demon souls remake was super easy for me . just don't try to spam and take fights slow you'll be ok

[ohias]

Depends on which dark souls. If DS1 or DS2 - maybe, since bosses in those games are rather simple and easy. Otherwise Lies of P is quite easy. It does have far less refined combat though, which seems to throw some people off. Personally only one boss took me more than 2 attempts. the green monster thing

[gungadin22000]

Originally posted by ohias:

Depends on which dark souls. If DS1 or DS2 - maybe, since bosses in those games are rather simple and easy. Otherwise Lies of P is quite easy. It does have far less refined combat though, which seems to throw some people off. Personally only one boss took me more than 2 attempts. the green monster thing

LoP's combat is roughly 50 times more "refined" than that of the DS series, which is classic, but simplistic by modern standards.

I'd personally say this makes the game easier, however, as the player character is a lot easier to control than in DS and I feel that the timing of the evasive actions and parries in LoP is much easier to understand than in any Fromsoft game. But that really varies from player to player - some folks consider the end boss of LoP to be harder than Malenia in Elden Ring.

[EvilBaylle]

wtf

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by gungadin22000:

Originally posted by ohias:

Depends on which dark souls. If DS1 or DS2 - maybe, since bosses in those games are rather simple and easy. Otherwise Lies of P is quite easy. It does have far less refined combat though, which seems to throw some people off. Personally only one boss took me more than 2 attempts. the green monster thing

LoP's combat is roughly 50 times more "refined" than that of the DS series, which is classic, but simplistic by modern standards.

I'd personally say this makes the game easier, however, as the player character is a lot easier to control than in DS and I feel that the timing of the evasive actions and parries in LoP is much easier to understand than in any Fromsoft game. But that really varies from player to player - some folks consider the end boss of LoP to be harder than Malenia in Elden Ring.

Malenia was a bs gimmick fight, LoP does not have as many as those insta kill gimicks of DS.

Overall, i find combat a lot more fair in LoP, and getting good is LoP feels better than getting good in DS.

[ohias]

Originally posted by gungadin22000:

Originally posted by ohias:

Depends on which dark souls. If DS1 or DS2 - maybe, since bosses in those games are rather simple and easy. Otherwise Lies of P is quite easy. It does have far less refined combat though, which seems to throw some people off. Personally only one boss took me more than 2 attempts. the green monster thing

LoP's combat is roughly 50 times more "refined" than that of the DS series, which is classic, but simplistic by modern standards.

Absolutely not. It's very rough and unfinished. They pulled all animations from bloodborne but had no idea how to make them work. So thos animations and the accompanying AI are very unfinished. Animations sometimes play incorrectly, the AI almost doesn't have a concept of a proper followup in a combo, most of the time it just randomly selects an animation to play regardless of the player position and the previous animation. It has no real counters to players actions - like healing or changing position, so it often gets confused by your running around or even simply using your arm skills. That kinda makes every enemy and almost every boss a mess and because of that they put very wide openings everywhere that are half a minute long and made it really obvious - like added flying sparks when it's safe to hit them. It doesn't come even close to the refinement of fromsoft games, not even if you compare it to Demon's Souls. Never mind everything that came after. There's a lot of subtlety and nuance to the fromsoft combat most of which got lost in translation. You'd need to have really not been paying attention to miss that memo.

Originally posted by gungadin22000:

But that really varies from player to player - some folks consider the end boss of LoP to be harder than Malenia in Elden Ring.

I don't see how he can be difficult to anyone who played the Bloodborne DLC. Lady Maria in particular, from whom his moveset was clearly scraped. I personally killed him on the second attempt (as pretty much every boss before him). That said a lot of Fromsoft bosses share Maria's moves, but at least they're sufficiently reworked there.

Anyway, most of the difficulty in LoP comes from the game's janky animations and AI, but then again, the devs knew it and left a lot of options to deal with it. You can literally sidestep most of that jank. Such a refined game where 90% of moves or bosses can be dealt with by simply walking or running around.

[ohias]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Malenia was a bs gimmick fight, LoP does not have as many as those insta kill gimicks of DS.

Overall, i find combat a lot more fair in LoP, and getting good is LoP feels better than getting good in DS.

It's really funny to me when someone calls Malenia a bs gimmick fight and then proceeds to talk about getting good in the same breath.

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by ohias:

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Malenia was a bs gimmick fight, LoP does not have as many as those insta kill gimicks of DS.

Overall, i find combat a lot more fair in LoP, and getting good is LoP feels better than getting good in DS.

It's really funny to me when someone calls Malenia a bs gimmick fight and then proceeds to talk about getting good in the same breath.

Her gimmick is that she regens health on every hit, i "got good" at elden ring by abusing jumping heavy attacks and op weapon arts to melt every challenge in the game.

[ohias]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Originally posted by ohias:

It's really funny to me when someone calls Malenia a bs gimmick fight and then proceeds to talk about getting good in the same breath.

Her gimmick is that she regens health on every hit, i "got good" at elden ring by abusing jumping heavy attacks and op weapon arts to melt every challenge in the game.

That's not what "gimmick boss" means. A gimmick boss is Dragon God in Demon's Souls or Divine Dragon in Sekiro. A boss that deviates form normal game mechanics to require something that you don't normally do. Malenia is not a gimmick boss in any way, shape or form. She's a "get good" boss, nothing more.

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by ohias:

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Her gimmick is that she regens health on every hit, i "got good" at elden ring by abusing jumping heavy attacks and op weapon arts to melt every challenge in the game.

That's not what "gimmick boss" means. A gimmick boss is Dragon God in Demon's Souls or Divine Dragon in Sekiro. A boss that deviates form normal game mechanics to require something that you don't normally do. Malenia is not a gimmick boss in any way, shape or form. She's a "get good" boss, nothing more.

She forces you to not use a shield, or summons, as those will only see her to full health, she forces you to play s specific way. She is tedious, so i just nuke her down to skip her fight.

[DefinitelyLeop]

no tanto ntp

[gungadin22000]

Originally posted by ohias:

Originally posted by gungadin22000:

LoP's combat is roughly 50 times more "refined" than that of the DS series, which is classic, but simplistic by modern standards.

Absolutely not. It's very rough and unfinished. They pulled all animations from bloodborne but had no idea how to make them work. So thos animations and the accompanying AI are very unfinished. Animations sometimes play incorrectly, the AI almost doesn't have a concept of a proper followup in a combo, most of the time it just randomly selects an animation to play regardless of the player position and the previous animation. It has no real counters to players actions - like healing or changing position, so it often gets confused by your running around or even simply using your arm skills. That kinda makes every enemy and almost every boss a mess and because of that they put very wide openings everywhere that are half a minute long and made it really obvious - like added flying sparks when it's safe to hit them. It doesn't come even close to the refinement of fromsoft games, not even if you compare it to Demon's Souls. Never mind everything that came after. There's a lot of subtlety and nuance to the fromsoft combat most of which got lost in translation. You'd need to have really not been paying attention to miss that memo.

Originally posted by gungadin22000:

But that really varies from player to player - some folks consider the end boss of LoP to be harder than Malenia in Elden Ring.

I don't see how he can be difficult to anyone who played the Bloodborne DLC. Lady Maria in particular, from whom his moveset was clearly scraped. I personally killed him on the second attempt (as pretty much every boss before him). That said a lot of Fromsoft bosses share Maria's moves, but at least they're sufficiently reworked there.

Anyway, most of the difficulty in LoP comes from the game's janky animations and AI, but then again, the devs knew it and left a lot of options to deal with it. You can literally sidestep most of that jank. Such a refined game where 90% of moves or bosses can be dealt with by simply walking or running around.

Ah, if you are calling LoP "less refined" than Sekiro or BB, that could possibly be true, I've played neither. But comparing the Nameless Puppet to Gwyn is like comparing a Ferrari to a rusty rollerskate covered in dog crap.

Of recent games, I would only really compare LoP's bosses unfavourably to some of the harder Black Myth Wukong bosses. Erlang Shen in particular is insanely reactive depending on what the player does.

[ohias]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

She forces you to not use a shield, or summons, as those will only see her to full health, she forces you to play s specific way. She is tedious, so i just nuke her down to skip her fight.

She doesn't force you to do anything. You can kill her with a shield or summons. I mean even IF it were true there's still a difference between not allowing a specific mechanic and requiring you to do something. But she doesn't even prevent you from doing anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftjyodIle_s

[gungadin22000]

I killed her by hiding behind the fingerprint greatshield pre-nerf and poking her 5000 times with the Rykard greatspear. Took no damage myself, she healed back 80% of the damage I dealt, the 20% left over was still enough to kill her after a looong time. I am terrible at Elden Ring dodge timing.