P-Organ could use improvement.....

[Anderson]

EDIT: I am specifically talking about the "Complete the Node" bonuses here, not the individual ones you slot INTO the nodes.

I love the idea of a parallel upgrade system that the player has to leveling, which not only offer certain smaller upgrades but also bigger ones when you fill a node.

That said, I think a little cleaning up would help.

Stages 1 and 2 and fine, except maybe we could combine Rising Dodge and Link Dodge into one, (called "agility", or something). These feel like fundamental mechanics, and having to spend 4 Quartz to get them is a bit lame.

Stage 3 is terrible, with only one of the nodes (Enhance Pulse Cell Recovery 2) being of any use.

Stage 4 is fine as well, and maybe we could import some of these nodes over to Stage 3, and get rid of the useless trash like Add Belt Slots. This could let us bring Add Legion Arm Slots 1 earlier (hell, put it in Stage 2, if we move Rising Dodge into Link Dodge).

With all this, the P-Organ could have more interesting options available earlier.

[Deathwing1306]

And maybe replace all the "useless" ones with "+80 Motivity, Technique and Advance" or "After hitting an enemy, gain 500% attack boost for 5 minutes" right ?

[Anderson]

I am talking specifically about the node bonuses, not the individual upgrades you slot into the nodes.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Anderson:

I am talking specifically about the node bonuses, not the individual upgrades you slot into the nodes.

Doesn't really matter, you have to have some "weaker" ones in there, there are some which enhance your fable art effect duration or something for fable arts which have some kind of duration effects and I never needed it, but some people will find it useful.

You are not the only one who plays the game, there is HUGE amount of different builds and HUGE amount of different players who play the game differently compared to the person next to them.

So those skills aren't useless, they are just not for you, if they replaced all those skills with something neutral which works for EVERYONE, it would make the game much easier and there wouldn't be the "Hmmmm, what should I choose now..." part, there always have to be something "bad" between the better ones so you actually think about what might be useful in the future.

I always found something which might be useful, like more Ergo from enemies, more consumables, more throwables, etc. Even if you don't use it very often, it might help you later.

[Anderson]

Are you actually defending "Add Belt Slot" in Stage 3? Or did you misunderstand me? Again I am talking about the "complete the node" bonuses, NOT individual ones.

[Baron01]

@OP
This is a spoiler so read below at your own risk.

There are bigger issue with P-organ upgrade the more you progress. There are also issues where there are P-organ upgrades that add weapon or legion arm slot, which is completely useless due to how weight system works--noone in their sane mind would equip two, let alone three weapons because you either would have to heavily invest into Capacity or fat-roll. Capacity investment is fine but you want/need it for defensive parts and not for alternative weapons or legion arms. Fat rolling/dodging could be acceptable if you want to focus on guarding if not for tiny problem of lower stamina regen due to heavy load. Weight system is a mess and it also invalidate some of those P-organ upgrades.

Some of those utility P-organ upgrades such as belt, weapon or legion arms should be combined into one perk. Same should be done with carry limit increase for consumables and throwables, just one perk.

There are very important upgrades in later phase, there are stages 6 and 7 unlocked by playing NG+ and NG++. Those stages have hugely useful upgrades that most players will never see or use because they are locked behind repeated replay of the game. There is Fury attack guarding, Weapon repair on perfect guard or Light Weight perk that shift whole weight system by one tear, ie. if you are below 60% with that perk you are considered light load.
I understand why Fury attack guard is available so late but Weapon repair on perfect guard should be available very early in the game, same as those dodge upgrades are.

Originally posted by Anderson:

Are you actually defending "Add Belt Slot" in Stage 3? Or did you misunderstand me? Again I am talking about the "complete the node" bonuses, NOT individual ones.

Don't bother with cave-dwellers. He is just fishing for fights because "git gud" bros want the game hard as nails and they need no P-organ upgrades, they play naked and with one hand behind their back.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Anderson:

Are you actually defending "Add Belt Slot" in Stage 3? Or did you misunderstand me? Again I am talking about the "complete the node" bonuses, NOT individual ones.

In that case you misunderstood me the first time, if you were talking about the big ones you get from slotting 2,3 or 4 smaller ones into them, then read my first comment again.

Also, it doesn't even change the fact that it might be useful for someone, but not for you, even the belt size...

[Anderson]

@Baron01

I didn't even touch on the later Stages, but yes, you are right.
I will concede that the weight mechanic is done poorly here (as it always has been in Souls). Multiple weapons, and multiple Legion Arms should only count the weight of the heaviest one, exactly for the reason you said. Since you need levels to increase weight, you are playing a price for just some flexibility.
I guess we could add that to the list of "fixes to make the game better".

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Baron01:

@OP
This is a spoiler so read below at your own risk.

There are bigger issue with P-organ upgrade the more you progress. There are also issues where there are P-organ upgrades that add weapon or legion arm slot, which is completely useless due to how weight system works--noone in their sane mind would equip two, let alone three weapons because you either would have to heavily invest into Capacity or fat-roll. Capacity investment is fine but you want/need it for defensive parts and not for alternative weapons or legion arms. Fat rolling/dodging could be acceptable if you want to focus on guarding if not for tiny problem of lower stamina regen due to heavy load. Weight system is a mess and it also invalidate some of those P-organ upgrades.

Some of those utility P-organ upgrades such as belt, weapon or legion arms should be combined into one perk. Same should be done with carry limit increase for consumables and throwables, just one perk.

There are very important upgrades in later phase, there are stages 6 and 7 unlocked by playing NG+ and NG++. Those stages have hugely useful upgrades that most players will never see or use because they are locked behind repeated replay of the game. There is Fury attack guarding, Weapon repair on perfect guard or Light Weight perk that shift whole weight system by one tear, ie. if you are below 60% with that perk you are considered light load.
I understand why Fury attack guard is available so late but Weapon repair on perfect guard should be available very early in the game, same as those dodge upgrades are.

Originally posted by Anderson:

Are you actually defending "Add Belt Slot" in Stage 3? Or did you misunderstand me? Again I am talking about the "complete the node" bonuses, NOT individual ones.

Don't bother with cave-dwellers. He is just fishing for fights because "git gud" bros want the game hard as nails and they need no P-organ upgrades, they play naked and with one hand behind their back.

You should be happy that something like this exists in the game first of all, except Sekiro I don't think there are other Souls games with perks like this.

Also, the author of this post didn't understand my first comment so I got confused because of it.

If you want an easier game, go play something else or l2p :)

[Anderson]

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

Originally posted by Anderson:

Are you actually defending "Add Belt Slot" in Stage 3? Or did you misunderstand me? Again I am talking about the "complete the node" bonuses, NOT individual ones.

In that case you misunderstood me the first time, if you were talking about the big ones you get from slotting 2,3 or 4 smaller ones into them, then read my first comment again.

Also, it doesn't even change the fact that it might be useful for someone, but not for you, even the belt size...

Oh wow.....
Well, if you actually find Stage 3 bonuses (aside from Enhance Pulse Cell Recovery 2) useful then......I guess there is nothing to say. Seriously, Faster Fruit Bearing does literally nothing. Aside from boosters, how many of these fruit do you need?

I'd suggest simply skipping this discussion, because we seem to be on entirely different wavelengths.

[Deathwing1306]

Originally posted by Anderson:

Originally posted by Deathwing1306:

In that case you misunderstood me the first time, if you were talking about the big ones you get from slotting 2,3 or 4 smaller ones into them, then read my first comment again.

Also, it doesn't even change the fact that it might be useful for someone, but not for you, even the belt size...

Oh wow.....
Well, if you actually find Stage 3 bonuses (aside from Enhance Pulse Cell Recovery 2) useful then......I guess there is nothing to say. Seriously, Faster Fruit Bearing does literally nothing. Aside from boosters, how many of these fruit do you need?

I'd suggest simply skipping this discussion, because we seem to be on entirely different wavelengths.

I have seen people crying about the respec mechanic that the tree is just too slow and they have to sit there for like 2 hours to respec.

Also, you need as many as you can in as short amount of time as you can because of the Cube, if you use the Cube, the item in the Cube will be used and you just have to buy it again for gold coins, so if anyone is using the Cube (which I haven't used more than 3 times probably), it will be useful for them because they can gather the coins faster so they can buy more of those stones you fir into the Cube.

Half of the P-Organ is useless for me too, but it might be useful to other people... like I said, you are not the only one playing the game.

EDIT: To me it just seems you want ONLY the strongest perks in there which will give you 20 pulse cells in total, 5 dodges at once, huge parry window or I don't even know what else you want. Just get through the bad stages and move onto the better ones, no need to cry about it on the forums, something like this will probably never get changed anyways.

Oh, I also forgot that you don't even need to unlock most of those because you progress through the tree even without researching the latest stage, so you can actually research Stage 2 or Stage 1 and you progress towards unlocking Stage 5, which makes this post even more pointless.