The stagger mechanic sucks for bosses.

[Cruddy]

Almost none of the weapons have an attack fast enough to break it before the boss launches into an attack or manages to move away during the charge up animation and the effect wears off, it feels incredibly underwhelming to whiff big damage because you weren't standing in the exact pixel perfect spot on a Tuesday at 4:52 during a waning moon.

yes there are ways to increase stagger bar duration, doesn't make it a good mechanic.

[bulldog0890]

you need quick weapons for bosses. i found around the king of the puppets everything except the dagger is just too damn slow

[Scrundle]

Use a fast FABLE ATTACK when the health bar is white if your weapon's charged-heavy is too slow.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by bulldog0890:

you need quick weapons for bosses. i found around the king of the puppets everything except the dagger is just too damn slow

Pretty much, I do the same but having to carry a specific weapon around just for the purpose of overcoming a very specific design issue feels bad.

[Gnodab]

I just beat King of Puppets using Holy Sword of the Ark, pretty much the slowest weapon I have access to. It's doable, it's just way harder and you have to be overbearingly patient with it if you don't intend to use anything else like specters or items.

[Viper]

yes they did not design it very well.

[NewYears1978]

It's actually pretty intuitive. The people who are saying it's bad designed are just not good enough.

It is definitely hard. There are some instances where I just ignore the stagger. It can be hard to find a window.

Try to upgrade P-Organ to have a longer stagger window

Originally posted by Scrundle:

Use a fast FABLE ATTACK when the health bar is white if your weapon's charged-heavy is too slow.

This, I don't think people realize this works.

[HypetheKomodo]

I use the Electric Coil Stick, which has a big slam Fable attack that is extremely fast.

Outside of that it's not impossible to do it with heavy weapons. It's all about finding an opening. Learn the boss' combos and land a charge when it finishes.

[Viper]

I have better things to do than spend 3 or 4 hours fighting the same guy over and over again..sorry. I

[homeless emperor]

Originally posted by Viper:

I have better things to do than spend 3 or 4 hours fighting the same guy over and over again..sorry. I

no you dont, you complain about this game in every thread on this forum, you would already beat him by that time, so no you dont have better things to do, complaining on forum instead of playing is not better

[godskin_pensuke]

Pro-tip: Use the shot put to break the white stagger bar

No need to charge your weapon or use a fable art when you can just quickly throw this item to stagger elite and boss enemies

[bulldog0890]

Originally posted by ペンすけ:

Pro-tip: Use the shot put to break the white stagger bar

No need to charge your weapon or use a fable art when you can just quickly throw this item to stagger elite and boss enemies

i had no idea anything but heavy attacks worked. apparently fable attacks can also do it

[Pnume]

Originally posted by bulldog0890:

you need quick weapons for bosses. i found around the king of the puppets everything except the dagger is just too damn slow

Slow weapon work just fine.
His second phase was super easy.

[Powercrank]

they need a posture bar like sekiro, and then after it fills up and they're staggerable it should slowly drain to indicate the "staggerable" timing window.

as it is now you're just kind of shooting in the dark because it's not clear how fast stagger drains in between swings nor how much stagger difference there is between an axe or sword handle.


and slow weapons do not work "just fine". they are objectively worse and harder to use. are they usable? yes, but they are worse. there is no str weapon that is even close to as good as the dragon katana.

[godskin_pensuke]

Originally posted by bulldog0890:

Originally posted by ペンすけ:

Pro-tip: Use the shot put to break the white stagger bar

No need to charge your weapon or use a fable art when you can just quickly throw this item to stagger elite and boss enemies

i had no idea anything but heavy attacks worked. apparently fable attacks can also do it

Yeah the game says heavy attacks for starters

I noticed that the shot put description within the game menu says this: "Some throwable weapons boast great destructive power on their own. When combined with the strength of puppets, nothing more needs to be said."

I was like interesting - great destructive power = stagger break?

And yep it sure does break the white stagger bar on all enemies including bosses

And luckily you can buy these from the merchant in the Red Lobster, so sometimes will grind a bit to get more if I happen to be running low

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Powercrank:

they need a posture bar like sekiro, and then after it fills up and they're staggerable it should slowly drain to indicate the "staggerable" timing window.

as it is now you're just kind of shooting in the dark because it's not clear how fast stagger drains in between swings nor how much stagger difference there is between an axe or sword handle.

I keep wanting this aswell, this would certainly help significantly.