This is just awful...

[PS3 Games]

I was looking forward to this game ever since they announced it and ive been following it very closely.. and let me tell you, im glad they gave us a demo of the game because MAN is it rough. Coming from a souls, bb, sekiro, and demons souls veteran and i have so many things id like to discuss about this game thus far.
before i get into this ill say that if a company is going to rip off one of the best games of ALL TIME (Bloodborne) then make it as close to it as humanly possible and not THIS crap ://

Off the rip, the movement is WAY to responsive and i mean right when you load into the game if you start moving in circles youll understand what i mean. its like they said screw controller deadzones or something AND on top of that the movement is general just feels very very slow and runnung barley makes it any better.

Another thing is the combat/weapon abilities are not good AT ALL. most weapons i used are very slow and you cant get a true combo at all because of that (doesnt help that enemy attacks are instant but well get into that in a second). the blocking feels very off as well. if its going to encourage us to parry incoming attacks then take your time and really perfect the parry mechanics before demo because half the time i can parry then half the time i cant and its not "skill issue" its genuinely just a bad mechanic. parrying is good but not in this game what so ever.

Enemy attacks are instant and when i say instant i literally mean it. so since the weapons are all pretty slow then you can really only get two MAYBE three hits in before you have to run away... and you cant dodge because the dodging in this game in unbearably slow and not intuitive at all man!

The item system in this game is also very very "meh" and i dont like it at all. the item menu is laid out oddly, the inventory is laid out oddly, switching weapons is very odd as well ( when you do it in the menu) rings, stat booster, effect cleansers man just everything is not put together well.

Id say other than that the game just feels pretty boring to me, the character we play seems very boring ass well and that being said it just turns me off from even wanting to play the game now. id maybe pick it up in the future if it was on sale AND they fixed many things but as of now im good on this "souls borne" game XD

Edit: if you don’t like my opinion on the game then don’t comment and cry and whine or you get instant block. this isnt a "lets discuss then attack OP for his opinions". agree to disagree & if you wanna have a real discussion about the game and not attack i’ll gladly discuss anything w you all. Thank You!

[Jackal]

I don't think it is awful. It is actually quite the opposite. Game looks good visually; it has good audio; animations look nice; performance is very good as well. Gameplay is somewhere between Sekiro and Bloodborne. Weapons are not that slow--speed of the balanced build is comparable with Sekiro. It is possible later in the game dodge rolling would be more viable--at the end of the demo you can get chain dodge ability. I think your love of From Software formula might be getting in the way of giving this game a fair chance.

[dna]

tl/dr: I totally did not grasped the controls, never bothered with a single mechanic and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up badly within 20min and then went to the forums to complain.

Those Souls/ Sekiro/ whatever "veterans" that are growing from the interwebs like mushroom after an autumn rain are like a plague.

Meanwhile there are "no parry" videos from the Demo already out... guess they dodged?

Edit: Wow, man. Didnt even realized that acc pic. I think you are just a troll. Or the lowest of the low.

[königplatzen]

Originally posted by Jackal:

I don't think it is awful. It is actually quite the opposite. Game looks good visually; it has good audio; animations look nice; performance is very good as well. Gameplay is somewhere between Sekiro and Bloodborne. Weapons are not that slow--speed of the balanced build is comparable with Sekiro. It is possible later in the game dodge rolling would be more viable--at the end of the demo you can get chain dodge ability. I think your love of From Software formula might be getting in the way of giving this game a fair chance.

+1

Some people expecting a next BB or Sekiro and don't find it, while others are annoyed, that it's too similar and too little original.
It's pretty hard, to nail it and I hope, that it can assert to be somewhat enjoyable for both groups, otherwise it'll get hard.

[PS3 Games]

Originally posted by Jackal:

I don't think it is awful. It is actually quite the opposite. Game looks good visually; it has good audio; animations look nice; performance is very good as well. Gameplay is somewhere between Sekiro and Bloodborne. Weapons are not that slow--speed of the balanced build is comparable with Sekiro. It is possible later in the game dodge rolling would be more viable--at the end of the demo you can get chain dodge ability. I think your love of From Software formula might be getting in the way of giving this game a fair chance.

glad someone likes it

[PS3 Games]

Originally posted by königplatzen:

Originally posted by Jackal:

I don't think it is awful. It is actually quite the opposite. Game looks good visually; it has good audio; animations look nice; performance is very good as well. Gameplay is somewhere between Sekiro and Bloodborne. Weapons are not that slow--speed of the balanced build is comparable with Sekiro. It is possible later in the game dodge rolling would be more viable--at the end of the demo you can get chain dodge ability. I think your love of From Software formula might be getting in the way of giving this game a fair chance.

+1

Some people expecting a next BB or Sekiro and don't find it, while others are annoyed, that it's too similar and too little original.
It's pretty hard, to nail it and I hope, that it can assert to be somewhat enjoyable for both groups, otherwise it'll get hard.

i never said it was supposed to be exactly like bb or sekiro.. i said IF it’s gonna be like those two games then at least perfect it as close as humanly possible. it’s so funny. i give MY opinion about the game. if you don’t like my opinion then we’ll agree to disagree. not trolling either.

[Kan3da.]

Originally posted by PS3 Games:

I was looking forward to this game ever since they announced it and ive been following it very closely.. and let me tell you, im glad they gave us a demo of the game because MAN is it rough. Coming from a souls, bb, sekiro, and demons souls veteran and i have so many things id like to discuss about this game thus far.
before i get into this ill say that if a company is going to rip off one of the best games of ALL TIME (Bloodborne) then make it as close to it as humanly possible and not THIS crap ://

Off the rip, the movement is WAY to responsive and i mean right when you load into the game if you start moving in circles youll understand what i mean. its like they said screw controller deadzones or something AND on top of that the movement is general just feels very very slow and runnung barley makes it any better.

Another thing is the combat/weapon abilities are not good AT ALL. most weapons i used are very slow and you cant get a true combo at all because of that (doesnt help that enemy attacks are instant but well get into that in a second). the blocking feels very off as well. if its going to encourage us to parry incoming attacks then take your time and really perfect the parry mechanics before demo because half the time i can parry then half the time i cant and its not "skill issue" its genuinely just a bad mechanic. parrying is good but not in this game what so ever.

Enemy attacks are instant and when i say instant i literally mean it. so since the weapons are all pretty slow then you can really only get two MAYBE three hits in before you have to run away... and you cant dodge because the dodging in this game in unbearably slow and not intuitive at all man!

The item system in this game is also very very "meh" and i dont like it at all. the item menu is laid out oddly, the inventory is laid out oddly, switching weapons is very odd as well ( when you do it in the menu) rings, stat booster, effect cleansers man just everything is not put together well.

Id say other than that the game just feels pretty boring to me, the character we play seems very boring ass well and that being said it just turns me off from even wanting to play the game now. id maybe pick it up in the future if it was on sale AND they fixed many things but as of now im good on this "souls borne" game XD

Edit: if you don’t like my opinion on the game then don’t comment and cry and whine. agree to disagree. if you wanna have a real discussion about the game and not attack i’ll gladly discuss anything w you all.

My guy, it feels to me that you wrote this after coming out the game hot. This is not an attack, just an observation what it feels like, i have those days too. Either way, ill take the time out my day to drop my views on your point since it seems like your a fellow reasonable person and there is not many of us left on these boards.

1. It doesnt feel like a rip-off / knockoff at all to me. It wears its influences on its sleeves down to the really meticulously imitated mix of Souls X Borne UI with their own styling. Clearly this is not a Sony or AAA funded title so you gotta cut em a little slack for some compromises in the Art department. But its clear its a love letter. Calling it a rip off is akin to call it a cash grab, and there was a LOT of passion poured into this game. Its not hard to see.

2. Combat not good at ALL? No, just no bro. is it Sekiro precise? Neh, but it is most definitely not massively worse then DS3, certainly not then BB. give it a whirl (pun intended) again and play around with it a little if you love the genre. There is stuff to enjoy if you meet it on its own term. I finished the demo with all weapons and found a lot of variety. First boss i thought its all garbage, with the third one i started to figure out this games particular "Dark Souls Janks". Rapier is definitely the way to go in the beginning, dodging the first boss becomes trivial, parry timings are a bit tight but there is zero health loss when mastered, and it can be mastered after only a few rounds.

3. The bosses are on the simpler side, thats for sure, but this is the indie Studios first Soulslike. In my opinion they did a tremendously good job with this so far, and while its not on the depth and fidelity of Froms games, its well done and fun leaning towards a simpler structure with an interesting theme that for now does not feel fully realised due to budget.

Again, if you love the genre i would recommend tailoring your expectations lightly, meet the game on its own terms and try it again. I feel there is a lot to like and arguably even potential for love.

xoxo

[PS3 Games]

Originally posted by Kan3da.:

Originally posted by PS3 Games:

I was looking forward to this game ever since they announced it and ive been following it very closely.. and let me tell you, im glad they gave us a demo of the game because MAN is it rough. Coming from a souls, bb, sekiro, and demons souls veteran and i have so many things id like to discuss about this game thus far.
before i get into this ill say that if a company is going to rip off one of the best games of ALL TIME (Bloodborne) then make it as close to it as humanly possible and not THIS crap ://

Off the rip, the movement is WAY to responsive and i mean right when you load into the game if you start moving in circles youll understand what i mean. its like they said screw controller deadzones or something AND on top of that the movement is general just feels very very slow and runnung barley makes it any better.

Another thing is the combat/weapon abilities are not good AT ALL. most weapons i used are very slow and you cant get a true combo at all because of that (doesnt help that enemy attacks are instant but well get into that in a second). the blocking feels very off as well. if its going to encourage us to parry incoming attacks then take your time and really perfect the parry mechanics before demo because half the time i can parry then half the time i cant and its not "skill issue" its genuinely just a bad mechanic. parrying is good but not in this game what so ever.

Enemy attacks are instant and when i say instant i literally mean it. so since the weapons are all pretty slow then you can really only get two MAYBE three hits in before you have to run away... and you cant dodge because the dodging in this game in unbearably slow and not intuitive at all man!

The item system in this game is also very very "meh" and i dont like it at all. the item menu is laid out oddly, the inventory is laid out oddly, switching weapons is very odd as well ( when you do it in the menu) rings, stat booster, effect cleansers man just everything is not put together well.

Id say other than that the game just feels pretty boring to me, the character we play seems very boring ass well and that being said it just turns me off from even wanting to play the game now. id maybe pick it up in the future if it was on sale AND they fixed many things but as of now im good on this "souls borne" game XD

Edit: if you don’t like my opinion on the game then don’t comment and cry and whine. agree to disagree. if you wanna have a real discussion about the game and not attack i’ll gladly discuss anything w you all.

My guy, it feels to me that you wrote this after coming out the game hot. This is not an attack, just an observation what it feels like, i have those days too. Either way, ill take the time out my day to drop my views on your point since it seems like your a fellow reasonable person and there is not many of us left on these boards.

1. It doesnt feel like a rip-off / knockoff at all to me. It wears its influences on its sleeves down to the really meticulously imitated mix of Souls X Borne UI with their own styling. Clearly this is not a Sony or AAA funded title so you gotta cut em a little slack for some compromises in the Art department. But its clear its a love letter. Calling it a rip off is akin to call it a cash grab, and there was a LOT of passion poured into this game. Its not hard to see.

2. Combat not good at ALL? No, just no bro. is it Sekiro precise? Neh, but it is most definitely not massively worse then DS3, certainly not then BB. give it a whirl (pun intended) again and play around with it a little if you love the genre. There is stuff to enjoy if you meet it on its own term. I finished the demo with all weapons and found a lot of variety. First boss i thought its all garbage, with the third one i started to figure out this games particular "Dark Souls Janks". Rapier is definitely the way to go in the beginning, dodging the first boss becomes trivial, parry timings are a bit tight but there is zero health loss when mastered, and it can be mastered after only a few rounds.

3. The bosses are on the simpler side, thats for sure, but this is the indie Studios first Soulslike. In my opinion they did a tremendously good job with this so far, and while its not on the depth and fidelity of Froms games, its well done and fun leaning towards a simpler structure with an interesting theme that for now does not feel fully realised due to budget.

Again, if you love the genre i would recommend tailoring your expectations lightly, meet the game on its own terms and try it again. I feel there is a lot to like and arguably even potential for love.

xoxo

I’ll say i didn’t write this review after being mad lol. i beat the entire demo, have all weapons you can get etc.

So i’ll start off by saying yes i do agree 100% that this game isn’t gonna be exactly like those other games i had mentioned in the OP and they put their own twists and turns since it’s THEIR game so i did give some leeway but you can totally see numerous things like dodging, lighting the lamp on your belt (firefly lamp or whatever that is) down to not being able to use an item so your character shrugs or whatever like they do in other souls games and also the healing it’s pretty much the same as bb. but it still feels just off to me? like everything.

Since you roll and dodge so slowly it’s so hard to get in a true combo and do some good damage without getting absolutely wrecked by whatever it is your fighting. for instance when you go to fight the mad donkey there’s two enemies with swords outside the gate and unless you hit run hit run hit run you are gonna use at least 2 of your healing wares. i mean what is that? the attacks or literally instant like i said before.

the parrying is meh and i know how to parry all that type of stuff but it just feels off idk how to explain it.

all the weapons do feel slow (except the rapier like you mentioned) or at least decently slow. even just in between two hits it’s slow as heck. so really all i do can do is hit them run and wait for an opening and hope they don’t instantly attack me like it always seems to do. the parrying is meh because half the time i get them half the time i don’t.. again attacks are almost always instant so it’s hard to hit them have time for your character to parry. it’s just very weird to me like it feels maybe something with the frames i dunno.

Another thing i’ll say is i shouldn’t have said “rip off” but rather just embracing its influencers on its sleeves. you put that in a great way to understand but i still do think that if they are going to try and make a souls borne game then really should put a little more effort in the combat mechanics. some other things as well but mostly combat/dodging mechanics.

i could knit-pick and say some stuff about audio issues, and some graphical issues but i won’t get into that because no one wants to hear any knit-picking.

maybe i just expect too much or something but In all i still stand by what i said and i don’t think the game is much fun.. obviously to me lol. as i said before i’ll definitely get this game if it goes on sale or if it’s on the game pass but other than that i most likely won’t pick up this game after playing the demo.

[captainspaulding06]

I totally agree with you, what a disappointment!

[PS3 Games]

Originally posted by captainspaulding06:

I totally agree with you, what a disappointment!

i think just in denial.
Edit: in denial as in 100% souls formula. point blank period.

[Joshuffle]

Was very afraid after reading this but had quite the enjoyable time with it, more than any other soul clone tbh.

Try Bleakfaith (definitely refund) and then come back, this game is a 10/10 in stability and playability compared to that one.

[Wanderer]

I tried the demo and not a fan myself. Based off of what I was seeing in gaming journalism they were making a lot of comparisons to Bloodborne, so that was what I was expecting in terms of combat and overall style. There is something off about the responsiveness and hit boxes that has me doubting I'll get this now (dodge needs work for sure). I'd recommend Mortal Shell or Salt and Sanctuary over this for better "Soulslike" experience imo.

[königplatzen]

Originally posted by PS3 Games:

Originally posted by königplatzen:

+1

Some people expecting a next BB or Sekiro and don't find it, while others are annoyed, that it's too similar and too little original.
It's pretty hard, to nail it and I hope, that it can assert to be somewhat enjoyable for both groups, otherwise it'll get hard.

i never said it was supposed to be exactly like bb or sekiro.. i said IF it’s gonna be like those two games then at least perfect it as close as humanly possible. it’s so funny. i give MY opinion about the game. if you don’t like my opinion then we’ll agree to disagree. not trolling either.

Lets be honest, not even Fromsoft would make a perfect sequel to BB. And a random other studio can't do it out of principle. That's just the way it is. It's not a matter of quality, but BB is glorified to such an extent, that it's not possible to please all BB fans. I mean, of course, some people would be pleased with a BB sequel, but a lot just won't. You can't do it right and esp. not as non-Fromsoft

But, BB is not the holy grail and I like this game quite a bit. I just beat the last boss and it was a very similar accomplishment to beating some of the BB bosses. The new mechanics are really nice, the mix of parry and dodge work great and the boss has well varied moveset, which doesn't feel random or unfair...
And, it's just nice to have decent graphics quality and at least 60 FPS, this is what BB doesn't have. Although the art style and setting of BB is hard to top.
Looking forward to the full game...

[TheBarbaryGhost]

I spent 5ish hours last night playing this demo, the entire time thinking how nice and snappy the controls were. I think I died a total of 10 times before hitting the 3rd boss and ending the demo. It was no harder than any other souls-like game that is out there. And if you're going to compare this to the controls in BB, I actually really quite preferred the Lies of P mechanics over the BB ones.

[Aris]

Originally posted by PS3 Games:

Off the rip, the movement is WAY to responsive and i mean right when you load into the game if you start moving in circles youll understand what i mean. its like they said screw controller deadzones or something AND on top of that the movement is general just feels very very slow and runnung barley makes it any better.

By default the deadzone is way too narrow, but you can change that in the settings. Increase the left stick sensibility. That increases the deadzone.

[Zengar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprCtodndWM