dodging is terrible and has zero iframe

[Charles Vane]

first boss, when he brings out his hammer and randomly swinging left and right, you just cant dodge that ♥♥♥♥, since my muscle memory is all about dodging and i rarely use block, it throws me off everytime,i didnt like it a bit, it feels like you barely create a distance from the enemy, so even if you dodge backwards, %90 of the time enemy attack connects, and that only leaves me with raiper parry, which is absolutely much easier to do in souls games

[SteelaiRizel]

No you just are not dodging properly, it's all on you. Besides using parry/block dodging sideways to circle the enemy is far more effective than trying to dodge backwards.

And it aint random.

Legitimately you just need to get good at the game.

[königplatzen]

Dodging the first boss is mostly fine, IMO. I did one playthrough with dodging only.
The usual opener in phase 2 with the 2 swings is dodgeable very well and you end up behind him, able to punish... But carefully, he can react very fast so don't be greedy. IMO dodge has a slight delay, but not worse than Elden Ring.

Except one red attack, where you can't dodge to the side out of reach, because simply because it's a red attack and enemies hitboxes are like claws around you. It doesn't matter, if I looks like you could dodge out of reach like the other attacks, you just can't, because it's a red attack and red attacks can't be dodged. Red attacks must be parried.

IMO, it's a bit fishy, but hey...

[catnipdave]

Originally posted by Long John Golden:

since my muscle memory is all about dodging and i rarely use block, it throws me off everytime,i didnt like it a bit

I've seen people play through the entire demo purely dodging. It's difficult to pull off and very slow, which means you have to avoid damage for a stupid length of time (and you get no i-frames when dodging through a red attack).

Perfect blocking is difficult but it makes finishing the bosses quick, and if you master it, less painful.

Conclusion: dodging is possible but you aren't going to enjoy the demo.

[NotTheBest]

it is harder than DS to doage but just a lil bit of practics will help your case was the same for me and i think in the final game there are upgrade to your puppet and dodging will be one of them

[Quothe]

Dodging is also tied to frame rate iirc, so lower frame rate = more iframes effectively.

[Yoshi the Umbreon]

The game basically want you to be somewhat aggressive; bring the fight to them at times and learn to pull back. Heck, there is the perfect block if you get it off where you don't take temp damage and they're left open to attack.

[kconvey1]

Originally posted by Long John Golden:

first boss, when he brings out his hammer and randomly swinging left and right, you just cant dodge that ♥♥♥♥, since my muscle memory is all about dodging and i rarely use block, it throws me off everytime,i didnt like it a bit, it feels like you barely create a distance from the enemy, so even if you dodge backwards, %90 of the time enemy attack connects, and that only leaves me with raiper parry, which is absolutely much easier to do in souls games

Lower your FPS till you get motion sickness.

[Magiox]

honestly the dodging is so bad in this game

[MundM]

It has iFrames, but the window is very tight and you don't cover a lot of speed.

What I take more issue with, is how the dodge animations slow down towards the last frames, which feels like punishment for using it.

The dev already announced officially they will work on the dodge mechanics duo to the feedback.

[CapraMatta]

Oh look, someone crying because the game doesn't play like he's used to and refuses to elaborate further

[Deimos]

I think I had the same reaction but that's because I kept thinking like I was playing dark souls or elden ring. So 100% there are iframes and its possible to dodge, but its just super tight. The perfect block is really tough as well.

That said, the normal block + counter seems to work really well in most encounters. Ended up beating the first boss like that. Tried dodging initially and learned his phase 1 moveset but was having issues with his phase 2 moveset.

[KingDragoon]

You just suck at dodge timing.

[Scrundle]

You're intended to be blocking and perfect guarding. Dodging will just get you killed against some things.

What other genre do people play and say "Huh, this doesn't play exactly like <previous game>, should I learn it or should I complain about it?" "Sonic doesn't handle like Mario, this is clearly broken since they're both platformers, change it".
No, learn.

[EmperorOfChicken]

I get it - I also am muscle memory trained from years of souls-likes to dodge. BUT this game is all about the block and parry. If you aren't willing to change that mindset and adapt you are gonna have a bad time with this one I think.

So far I am loving it but def learning the perfect blocks and parries is the big win button.

[MMB]

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