About the New Weapons and Armors...

[Dexaldem]

I get this feeling that Pocket Pair learned nothing from making the armors and weapons a hassle to get the legendary schematics for the last time around. I've been looking everywhere for even the Semi-Auto rifle to NO avail on anything higher than a 1% chance in an OIL RIG CHEST.

This is... Not fun. My idea of fun does not include gaumlessly farming content for months just to get one legendary schematic. I want to play around with the new guns prim and proper and I can't guage them all if obtaining the blueprints is practically a write-off. :(

[Deathraven13]

You don't need a legendary one, if kegendary weapon had a 100% drop it wouldn't be legendary.

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

You don't need a legendary one, if kegendary weapon had a 100% drop it wouldn't be legendary.

That's not that argument I'm making, and that's a bad defense of the horrible drop rates. I don't recall anybody I know who plays the game enjoying farming the Oil Rig platform for the 0.5% chance at the legendaries there when Sakurajima launched. The 3% drops the original bosses had was a reasonable compromise. 1% and below for what equates to an entire raid dungeon is simply insane. :/

[Raven]

you understand that the drop rates can be boosted/altered, right?

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by Raven:

you understand that the drop rates can be boosted/altered, right?

From where, precisely? If I can avoid using mods to improve those drop rates, fantastic! If not, I think I'll just give this game a break for now and play something else. :(

[Raven]

Originally posted by Dexaldem:

Originally posted by Raven:

you understand that the drop rates can be boosted/altered, right?

From where, precisely? If I can avoid using mods to improve those drop rates, fantastic! If not, I think I'll just give this game a break for now and play something else. :(

you go to your world settings, scroll to drop rates, you can raise them up to 3x as much. If you're hunting legendaries and aren't happy with the low drop rate, then it makes it much easier.

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by Dexaldem:

From where, precisely? If I can avoid using mods to improve those drop rates, fantastic! If not, I think I'll just give this game a break for now and play something else. :(

you go to your world settings, scroll to drop rates, you can raise them up to 3x as much. If you're hunting legendaries and aren't happy with the low drop rate, then it makes it much easier.

Ohhh, that... Yeah, that won't do much about chest drop rates, unfortunately. You're still at the mercy of RNG. All that does is triple the amount of whatever drop is inside the chest, it doesn't actually mess with the drop rates. :<

EDIT: Now that I think about it, it doesn't really improve Boss drops either. I still had to farm more than sixty times to get that legendary Single Shot Rifle. '=. =

[Raven]

Originally posted by Dexaldem:

Originally posted by Raven:

you go to your world settings, scroll to drop rates, you can raise them up to 3x as much. If you're hunting legendaries and aren't happy with the low drop rate, then it makes it much easier.

Ohhh, that... Yeah, that won't do much about chest drop rates, unfortunately. You're still at the mercy of RNG. All that does is triple the amount of whatever drop is inside the chest, it doesn't actually mess with the drop rates. :<

EDIT: Now that I think about it, it doesn't really improve Boss drops either. I still had to farm more than sixty times to get that legendary Single Shot Rifle. '=. =

It does help...you're getting 3x the loot, so while the drop rate itself doesn't change you're getting far more chances to get it

edit: maybe I'm misremembering something, but I'm pretty sure in the past its not tripling the drops, its rolling the table 3x. I did in fact get schimatics much faster/easier with the drops up, but its not like I can prove or have the data to back that up because its RNG and I really just could've been lucky

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by Dexaldem:

Ohhh, that... Yeah, that won't do much about chest drop rates, unfortunately. You're still at the mercy of RNG. All that does is triple the amount of whatever drop is inside the chest, it doesn't actually mess with the drop rates. :<

EDIT: Now that I think about it, it doesn't really improve Boss drops either. I still had to farm more than sixty times to get that legendary Single Shot Rifle. '=. =

It does help...you're getting 3x the loot, so while the drop rate itself doesn't change you're getting far more chances to get it

... That's... Not how it works. xD

It triples whatever drops come from the enemies and chests, not the possible item variety from the chest itself. That is a fundamental misunderstanding of how that particular system works.

Let's say you're farming Jetragon for the legendary Rocket Launcher schematic. That's a 3% drop chance. At best, you could get it first shot. At worst, it'd come after maybe 60 or 90 runs. You have the drop multiplier set to 3X. You FINALLY get that sucker to drop on your 55th try, and...: "... Why do I have three legendary Rocket Launcher schematics from one Jetragon cap...?"

That is how it works. It triples the amount of whatever drops from enemies and chests; it doesn't actually do anything to improve the rate of the item itself falling into your lap.

[Myrcella]

Originally posted by Dexaldem:

I get this feeling that Pocket Pair learned nothing from making the armors and weapons a hassle to get the legendary schematics for the last time around. I've been looking everywhere for even the Semi-Auto rifle to NO avail on anything higher than a 1% chance in an OIL RIG CHEST.

This is... Not fun. My idea of fun does not include gaumlessly farming content for months just to get one legendary schematic. I want to play around with the new guns prim and proper and I can't guage them all if obtaining the blueprints is practically a write-off. :(

completely agree with this, im so fed up with going to the level 60 oil rig and getting rare bps everytime

[SharpWits]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by Dexaldem:

From where, precisely? If I can avoid using mods to improve those drop rates, fantastic! If not, I think I'll just give this game a break for now and play something else. :(

you go to your world settings, scroll to drop rates, you can raise them up to 3x as much. If you're hunting legendaries and aren't happy with the low drop rate, then it makes it much easier.

That effects the amount of drops, not the drop rate itself.

[Echorion]

I always found the progression in general a little too slow and grindy after the first third of the game anyways-- and start using mods.

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by Echorion:

I always found the progression in general a little too slow and grindy after the first third of the game anyways-- and start using mods.

Yeah, but I don't want to resort to using mods to enjoy the game if I don't have to. :<

[hotaru251]

do you know why low % drops exist in games?
Its because they are not REQUIRED but exist as something to eventually obtain and then feel good.

anything you could do with a legendary BP can be done with an epic BP.

Legendary literally exist for min/maxing.

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by hotaru251:

do you know why low % drops exist in games?
Its because they are not REQUIRED but exist as something to eventually obtain and then feel good.

anything you could do with a legendary BP can be done with an epic BP.

Legendary literally exist for min/maxing.

Okay...? Counter-point: why do the drop tables for the Oil Rigs have to be bloated with unwanted low-level and mid-game equipment to force the drop rates down? Seriously, 0.5% for a chance at ANY of the level-55 gear is pretty god-awful.

And, frankly... Getting them for doing that a hundred times would not make me feel good. It would make me feel like an idiot for spending so much time doing it in the first place. :|-

Anyway, since you're more interested in arguing instead of constructively contributing to the thread, I'mma just go play something else. This is boring.

[YosemiteBear]

lil bro want everything to be free and drop instantly with no form of grind whatsoever...just spawn things in if thats how you want to play. dont ask the devs to make ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ changes just for you....very cringe and dumb