It's Time To Eat Gamefreak/The Pokemon Company's Lunch

[Patches O'Houlihan]

i'll gladly give money to any company that competes with the stagnant, uninspired, mess that is the current Pokemon franchise. I'm sick of Pokemon titles with rosters of complete trash monster designs all sporting pun-names dreamed up by lobotomized redditors. I'm tired of the lack of character customization, the lack of any real story or revolutionary gameplay mechanics, and above all the clunky childishness of a game consumed primarily by a 20-30 year old audience. If i can't have a Pokemon with more realistic themes, complex storytelling, and a non-child protagonist then I'd rather my money go to Palworld and any other franchise that wants a piece of Pokemon's market share.

[Zinkr7x]

İlk olarak Xaelon tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Vivian, Mana & Kendall tarafından gönderildi:

Just because your attention span is so incredibly short it can't handle turn based games doesn't mean turn based games are bad.

Pokemon isn't a 'good' turn-based RPG but It's not a bad game either though.

Pokemon just kinda 'is' at this point. It continues to exist, never innovating and never changing. Gamefreak is so scared of alienating the casuals they'll never add any depth and never update the combat.

If you enjoy playing the same game every few years then Pokemon is a great fit but I was sick of Pokemon's combat 20 years ago. You might think Gamefreak would permanently adopt some of the gimmicks they introduce each generation but they just throw them out instead because they don't want to spend the time or effort to properly balance them.

So while Pokemon isn't a bad game that doesn't mean it's a good one either. It's the pinnacle of casual focused mediocrity. Just like CoD and those sports games EA churns out every year.

Pokemon is the game version of lukewarm water. Drinkable but not cold enough to be refreshing and not hot enough to burn you.

Well updating the base gameplay, like the turn based rpg part, pretty much the worst thing Game Freak could do. Their base gameplay loop? Fantastic. They literally did try out another Combat system in Legends: Arceus and it's the biggest sour point of that game.

What they actually need to do is just add more depth and difficulty to it. The games nowadays offer little reason to actually strategize in the strategy game. They have this fantastic gameplay system and they never do anything really amazing with it.

As for the balance suggestion.. yea no that's not correct. Gamefreak just doesn't want to waste time and money on implementing old gimmicks, it's just a much more simpler and lamer answer.

[Senzoba]

İlk olarak Big Skooby tarafından gönderildi:

i'll gladly give money to any company that competes with the stagnant, uninspired, mess that is the current Pokemon franchise. I'm sick of Pokemon titles with rosters of complete trash monster designs all sporting pun-names dreamed up by lobotomized redditors. I'm tired of the lack of character customization, the lack of any real story or revolutionary gameplay mechanics, and above all the clunky childishness of a game consumed primarily by a 20-30 year old audience. If i can't have a Pokemon with more realistic themes, complex storytelling, and a non-child protagonist then I'd rather my money go to Palworld and any other franchise that wants a piece of Pokemon's market share.

The problem with that is pokemon isn't targeting 20-30 year olds its meant to be for kids. Anyway i'll be getting palworld and hope its not geared towards kids

[Kamakura]

This won't compete with Pokemon in the slightest, it has zero chance of that, but if this can be a decent game on its own and not simply a game built around being knockoff trash in the hopes of peeling off a tiny portion of another games fanbase, I'm fully on board with that. Pokemon has been so awful during the Switch's run, so something that can give me a similar gameplay experience, but in a new, better, way, I'm on board with that.

[ＡＲＣＨＩＶＥＳ☆]

As much as I would love to agree with you, this game is not going to hurt the Pokemon brand in any way at all, Pokemon's a household name at this point and is too big to fail, just look at well known brands like Apple,McDonalds or Nintendo themselves. People clown on those brands from time to time, but we all know they'll still continue to exists. But with that said, i'll still end up buying the game cause it seems entertaining, but will the game compete with pokemon? I doubt it.

[Soren]

İlk olarak Zinkr7x tarafından gönderildi:

Unfortunately this game doesn't compete with Pokemon in the slightest. Pokemon's just too big in comparison.

Yeah, Palworld might be considered a competitor is a loose sense. But Pokemon is just too big to fail at this point. Gamefreak can release their games buggy and broken, have a million competitors on the market via games like Temtem, Coromon, or even rom hacks that do Pokemon but better. And that still isn't enough to hurt sales really.

The idea that Palworld will hurt Pokemon is as naive as everyone always saying "this is the Fortnite killer" or "this is the CoD killer".

İlk olarak hardbrocklife tarafından gönderildi:

Pokémon is dead. What are you talking about? Pokémon has been completely soulless since Sword and Shield. The games are just meant to tickle your member berries and push merchandizing. There is nothing in a Pokémon game anymore. No story. Poor textures and navmesh. No challenge.

What echo chambers have you guys been in? Reddit?

From what I can understand, the competitive scene has liked the direction the meta has taken. And then you have the fan community that has stuck Pokemon into various brackets so 10x the roster is usable if you play Pokemon simulators like Pokemon Online.

I don't really play Pokemon, not since the 4th or 5th generation (if you don't count the gen 3 remakes). But I do watch youtube videos about competitive or semi-competitive pokemon play. From people like Wolfey or Garbadors, and that was the reasoning WolfeyVGC gave. He's one of the world champions for the comp series. As in he's won world champion a few times I think.

[Wolfguarde]

İlk olarak Rumors tarafından gönderildi:

I would absolutely love for Pal World to sucker punch GameFreak and give them a wake-up call. But I also said that about Temtem and look how that turned out. It's certainly possible that Pal World will manage to pull it off, but, considering the "level" the game is starting on, it'll need to be a big surprise success like Minecraft or Baldur's Gate 3. And sustain its success like Minecraft rather than being the next fad game like Valheim was (although I do still enjoy Valheim).

There is definitely room to give the Pokemon franchise a wake-up call, but it'll most likely need to come from a bigger studio with a big marketing budget to really push it as well an actual high quality game. But the studios with the budget to make that sort of game just haven't or, if they did, they've left it in the backseat to their other franchises, like Monster Hunter Stories. Until someone like that makes a series attempt, we're basically just hoping one of these indie games gets the surprise popularity boom and doesn't subsequently squander the spotlight, which is a miracle itself.

Crema also stepped on several very obvious landmines in their development process, and effectively hamstrung their own viral potential by advertising their game as an MMO when it was never going to be one. If they'd actually built with massively multiplayer play in mind, they could have sliced out a much bigger chunk of market share than they managed to. Instead, they opted for 1-2 player play with a couple of tacked-on multiplayer features. Each of which is nice, on its own, but doesn't really lend much to the "massive" aspect of something that's meant to be an MMO.

Palworld might not topple, or even rise to the point of being able to compete with, pokemon. And that's fine. Whether it does so or not, it sets a new precedent for the demand for a pokemon-like game with dynamic combat and survival/sandbox features. Which will, in turn, inspire more games of this nature and broaden the genre into something that can accommodate something that will take the crown. As long as they do it before pokemon's devs finally let go of their reluctance to implement those features themselves.

[Smug Kot]

İlk olarak Wolfguarde tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Rumors tarafından gönderildi:

I would absolutely love for Pal World to sucker punch GameFreak and give them a wake-up call. But I also said that about Temtem and look how that turned out. It's certainly possible that Pal World will manage to pull it off, but, considering the "level" the game is starting on, it'll need to be a big surprise success like Minecraft or Baldur's Gate 3. And sustain its success like Minecraft rather than being the next fad game like Valheim was (although I do still enjoy Valheim).

There is definitely room to give the Pokemon franchise a wake-up call, but it'll most likely need to come from a bigger studio with a big marketing budget to really push it as well an actual high quality game. But the studios with the budget to make that sort of game just haven't or, if they did, they've left it in the backseat to their other franchises, like Monster Hunter Stories. Until someone like that makes a series attempt, we're basically just hoping one of these indie games gets the surprise popularity boom and doesn't subsequently squander the spotlight, which is a miracle itself.

Crema also stepped on several very obvious landmines in their development process, and effectively hamstrung their own viral potential by advertising their game as an MMO when it was never going to be one. If they'd actually built with massively multiplayer play in mind, they could have sliced out a much bigger chunk of market share than they managed to. Instead, they opted for 1-2 player play with a couple of tacked-on multiplayer features. Each of which is nice, on its own, but doesn't really lend much to the "massive" aspect of something that's meant to be an MMO.

Palworld might not topple, or even rise to the point of being able to compete with, pokemon. And that's fine. Whether it does so or not, it sets a new precedent for the demand for a pokemon-like game with dynamic combat and survival/sandbox features. Which will, in turn, inspire more games of this nature and broaden the genre into something that can accommodate something that will take the crown. As long as they do it before pokemon's devs finally let go of their reluctance to implement those features themselves.

Let's not forget how greedy was Crema by adding FORCED online, and a game pass to a pay to play game...

[Wolfguarde]

Yep. Landmines.

They ultimately made an okay game, but it could have been so much more.

[radkid10]

the only thing Pokemon will be losing from their lunch from this game is maybe a cookie they still have the rest of their lunch Pokemon doesn't make money off the games anymore they make it off of selling plastic or stuffed Pikachus to Dumbass kids and anime stuff to
there's a lot of Pokemon fans are still in denial snorting that kopium I grew up with the games but I knew they wouldn't be popular forever but I knew Pokemon itself would be because of the stupid anime

game freak lose the battlefield when it comes to Pokémon like games as long as they're dominating everywhere else they won't care

Pokémon is popular with kids so much little kids can now ♥♥♥♥ in Pikachu diapers
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[Vivian, Mana & Kendall]

The only thing that can kill Pokemon is Pokemon. Just like anything else that's too big to fail.

[venator163]

You're delusional if you think this game will have any "market" effect on Pokemon lmfao. Idiots on the Steam forums really don't understand "markets". This game isn't even Pokemon like. It looks like a much simpler Ark.

[venator163]

İlk olarak hardbrocklife tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak m99noble tarafından gönderildi:

Palworld: Look At Me I've Arrived!

Pokemon: Who even are you?

Palworld is not even the Great Value brand to GameFreak's 3 Star Michelin Restraunt. Palworld is not even fighting in the same division much less weight class. Tf is wrong with you people?

Pokémon is dead. What are you talking about? Pokémon has been completely soulless since Sword and Shield. The games are just meant to tickle your member berries and push merchandizing. There is nothing in a Pokémon game anymore. No story. Poor textures and navmesh. No challenge.

What echo chambers have you guys been in? Reddit?

You're the one stuck in an echo chamber. Last Pokemon game sold 10's of millions. This game doesn't even have a story LMAO.

[xggoodwin93]

Might be just me but i don't want this game to compete or press gamefreak. It would only speall the end of Palworld. It's best for Palworld to have its own niche in the monster taming genre and Pokemon to have its own. Idk what caused temtem to fall, but i never was interested because to me it just seemed too much like pokemon where it seemed it was no point in getting it.

Palworld is almost nothing like Pokemon. It's more about crafting and building and raiding while pokemon is about your turn based, rpg battling and collecting. So if the perfect Pokemon was made, it would still be a turn based collector with gyms made for kids. The graphics would just be better and no bugs. I'm fine with this and so is gamefreak. Afterall all they have to do is wait 3-4 years to have a new generation and they have millions of new little customers that will grow up with nostalgia. thats why competing directly will never work. I like pokemon, and i like palworld for very different reasons.

Besides i don't like this whole "make gamefreak better thing". Palworld isnt a vehicle for gamefreak. What are you gonna abandon palworld if gamefreak makes the pokemon game of your dreams? Pokemon leaves an open niche for Palworld,( edgy violence, base building pokemon gun) to fill let palworld fill it and be the best it can be.

[Herr Seeker]

I too would like to see a variety of monster-collector games reach the mainstream, with different themes and mechanics involved.
Pokemon being childish isn't bad, it was always meant to be a whimsical adventure (despite it's "JESUS-CHRIST-WTF-WHY" tier dark moments) .
Pandering to your audience as it ages might not be a very easy or effective thing to do, on account that everyone ages differently and develops a different personality .

Perhaps Palworld can co-exist alongside it ? A nice little game people can enjoy, and if Gamefreak actually takes note well...good for them .

[Pisaro]

İlk olarak m99noble tarafından gönderildi:

Palworld: Look At Me I've Arrived!

Pokemon: Who even are you?

Palworld is not even the Great Value brand to GameFreak's 3 Star Michelin Restraunt. Palworld is not even fighting in the same division much less weight class. Tf is wrong with you people?

what is wrong with that people? hrm dont know, i guess pokemon is dead, that is wrong! Pokemon isnt dead because of Palworld, Pokemon is dead because of Pokemon!