EULA Confusion

[Kess]

There's 2 things I'm a bit confused about that I'm not sure of. I'm have a really hard time understanding reading words for some reason, and I don't just mess with legal stuff. I have to know what I'm saying yes to.
-It mentions the Acceptable Use Policy and "certain out-of-game conduct", but I'm having a really hard time finding the AU Policy. Is it saying that they can delete someone's account (or worse, sue?) if they don't like something they said? What "out-of-game" behavior are they talking about?? Is it the Guidelines for Derivative Work/Gameplay and Streaming pages? (This is brought up at the bottom of the first page)
-5.4 says they can monitor use of services and reference the Privacy Policy in terms of how they're watching activity. But the Privacy Policy link just takes me to the Palworld page on their site with no indication of where I can find it, so I can't look into what they mean by that. I know it's probably a stereotypical unnecessary worry, but are they collecting info I don't know about?
(I page searched and looked around for both Policies, so I didn't just give up without trying.)
---On the side, they mention anti-hacking... are they disallowing mods by extension? Or is there some way people will be able to mod more crazy stuff without setting off alarms? Unless I'm being smart-deficient and hacking only means threatening another's pc safety.

I have over 400 hours and it's one of my favorite games. I'd be so sad if some legal stuff happened that made it risky or dangerous. Really hoping I'm just mis-reading the legal talk, it's a very intimidating subject for me.
And, sorry for the novel. Any clarification is very much appreciated

[★REM★]

Originally posted by drakeloreroar:

Originally posted by Myuu 9 Neneko:

I see, I still hope that the game wont get removed from our libraries if something happens.. I love my pals and shame for everyone of us if we completely lose access to the game completely... :ALdrinkemoji:

Pretty sure it will be fine. Even in the event of the worst-case scenario all they can do is prevent the future sales or maintenance of the game and it can only really apply to Japan. N would have to do it again in each region in turn and they don't have nearly as much sway in the US and EU/GB.

Even if anything happen, they will never, ever remove the game from your library.
Worse case, they remove the game from the store, but who owns it, keeps it.

That said, there is no "if something happens". If Nintendo was able to shut down Palworld, it would have been done already.

[NinjaPlease]

"5.2.Acceptable Use Policy. You agree only to use the Services" (Supposedly applies to "third party services"

Idk why they would or how they are going to tell private servers they cant use mods via 5.2.3. That's effectively unenforceable if so and would undermine a huge draw and fun that the game has between updates for friends to play modded servers.

They need to take the Minecraft/Mojang approach to private servers and will do fine.

[Yal]

Originally posted by drakeloreroar:

On the topic of EULA concerns i suspect the changes are likely due to the addition of Pal Transfer and would probably only apply to online play and specifically official servers.

(The updated EULA also defines an abbreviation with "Sony" in it in one of the sections so it's probably due to legal requirements for the crossplay to be allowed into their servers)

[drakeloreroar]

Alright, yeah read through it carefully. Mostly it's just a Sony thing wouldn't worry about it that much if you're on Steam.

Stuff regarding data collection seems to be about chat logs (would be insane to assume they ARN'T monitoring that on official servers anyway)

They mention purchases on your account and paying for online services, neither of which really apply to Steam anyway (potentially setting up for a future cash shop though which IS something to worry about)

And 3rd party rules seem to suggest mods are (mostly) fine albeit "use at your own risk" (which obviously)

Basically, if you're not doing anything wrong you really don't have anything to worry about.

[[Myuu] 9 Neneko]

I remember something said by Bucky(I think its him unsure) through a reddit screenshot that due to the amount of sales Palworld has the game will continue to have regular updates but one day when the money runs out they might result to paid cosmetics or something. Thankfully no DLC things, just cosmetics I suppose

I cant remember the full details, I dont use discord and aren't in the server to check if its from there or twitter...

[Kess]

Originally posted by Myuu 9 Neneko:

I remember something said by Bucky(I think its him unsure) through a reddit screenshot that due to the amount of sales Palworld has the game will continue to have regular updates but one day when the money runs out they might result to paid cosmetics or something. Thankfully no DLC things, just cosmetics I suppose

I'd actually be quite happy to buy some cosmetic items (at a reasonable price!) and I personally think cosmetic DLC in general is the best way to continue making money on something. It even fits in with the newly added cosmetic armor slots. There's plenty of cool hats already, so other fancy armor would be really nice to see

[Semirotta]

Its nuts that people have accepted this capitalist way of thinking that everything has to be out there to make money. Games used to be produced and sold and thats it. No paid content, perhaps expansion or two at best but thats it. Not the constant cash grabbing with low effort and quality DLCs or similar. Low IQ dum dums keep paying for the stupidest things which is why the gaming industry just has gone into that; easy money from the gullible fools. Its like religions, tool to control the fool. But with games and money.

[SoulReaperAxel]

if they hated modding on the game, they would have already went after the modders and mod sites

[SoulReaperAxel]

Originally posted by Semirotta:

Its nuts that people have accepted this capitalist way of thinking that everything has to be out there to make money. Games used to be produced and sold and thats it. No paid content, perhaps expansion or two at best but thats it. Not the constant cash grabbing with low effort and quality DLCs or similar. Low IQ dum dums keep paying for the stupidest things which is why the gaming industry just has gone into that; easy money from the gullible fools. Its like religions, tool to control the fool. But with games and money.

we have that horse armor to blame back on 360 days thats who started

[[Myuu] 9 Neneko]

Originally posted by Semirotta:

Its nuts that people have accepted this capitalist way of thinking that everything has to be out there to make money. Games used to be produced and sold and thats it. No paid content, perhaps expansion or two at best but thats it. Not the constant cash grabbing with low effort and quality DLCs or similar. Low IQ dum dums keep paying for the stupidest things which is why the gaming industry just has gone into that; easy money from the gullible fools. Its like religions, tool to control the fool. But with games and money.

I actually have not accepted it either tbh(glad that there are still people who think like that). It is why I love indie games that operate like in the old days, especially when they have physical copies too. But right now Pocketpair might need money in order to win the lawsuit against Nintendon't.

The worst is when it comes to the idea of "paid" or "patron mods" (+ minecraft marketplace to be specific). I remember when mod stuff were done for free and optional support payment perks were really just optional too.

But indeed and is very sad that it became the gaming industry standard . Even with all these steam sales or just normal discount sales, they are still pricey but at least affordable on my end.

Edit 1*

An example of a new-ish indie game that I bought are MiSide and Yoiyami Dancers: Twilight Danmaku Dancers[At the time of writing]. Game still gives free updates regularly so it can just be depending on how the devs think too I guess

[Thornwood]

I am very concerned that Pocketpair will mine my computer for data after having a second look at the EULA.

If your pc is also used for banking and email then you need to be concerned about security.

You would have to be a lawyer to know whether the EULA limits data collection to infomation related to game.

Agreeing to the EULA may give Pocketpair explicit authorisation to do it, even if they may not normally have the right to do so.

The process was very similar to Ransomware. Agree to the EULA or your game will be deleted.

For a game that does not run Pocketpair's servers, the authorisation to collect data from your computer is unreasonable for the purposes stated.

The in principle authorisation to provide accurate payment to Pocketpair is unreasonable. My purchase has already been paid and was from Steam, not Pocketpair. I have no problem providing this to Steam. It is none of Pocketpair's business. If I have a reason to make a purchase from Pocketpair in the future, I can agree at that time.

My personal data and the security of my pc has value. This was not included in the purchase price when I bought the game.

To protect my pc I have deleted the game and all saved files.

[Kess]

Ok... I'm leaving this discussion now. Too much "people shouldn't make money off their work" stuff. Yeah, I get it, a lot of developers misuse updates and DLC, but saying those are the problem and not the devs who misuse them is a bit... well, it doesn't matter what I say. Some games out there are made just to make them, but saying there was a time games weren't made for profit is a level of blind hate that's pointless to talk to. Money is the entire reason Japan switched to making video games in the 1970's.
And I don't get why me spending a dollar or two on a cool hat in a game I really like is "low IQ dum dum" (Again, I get that some things are highly manipulative, but again, blaming something for developer misuse... or in this case, it could also be users lacking self-control.)
I'm just having fun. I'm not irresponsibly buying things without thought. It's money I worked for that impacts no one else playing, and it's going to people who made the thing I enjoy. It's otherwise negligible for anyone not interested.
People deserve to be able to profit off honest work and ideas. Why is providing something harmless that people like or want so terrible? Is responding to feedback with improvements also bad?
...I shouldn't be asking questions I won't see the answer to.

Sorry to anyone that wanted to continue the discussion reasonably or had important info related to the entire reason why I started this tab to begin with. I don't know how things blew up into unhinged economic/political drama.
I wish I could close this discussion on my own...

[Astasia]

Originally posted by Thornwood:

It does not say on Palword's own servers.

Yes it does. The "service" explicitly means their servers. There is no other way to interpret it legally.

Originally posted by Thornwood:

I was under the impression that most (if not all servers) were owned or rented by players.

There are official servers. Which percent of people play on them isn't relevant, the goal is to take some effort to make their official servers a fair playing ground.

Originally posted by Thornwood:

I am very concerned that Pocketpair will mine my computer for data after having a second look at the EULA.

If your pc is also used for banking and email then you need to be concerned about security.

Agreeing to the EULA may give Pocketpair explicit authorisation to do it, even if they may not normally have the right to do so.

That would both be illegal in almost every applicable country, and against the Steam TOS. A EULA does not give a company the right to break laws. For the most part a EULA is just a reminder of typical copyright law and server rules, and to state the product is a license that you can't redistribute. If it tries to do anything "unexpected" it immediately becomes invalid in most jurisdictions.

For example the EU's New Digital Content Directive explicitly states a EULA is only enforceable if it follows "reasonable consumer expectations."

[[Myuu] 9 Neneko]

Originally posted by Kess:

Ok... I'm leaving this discussion now. Too much "people shouldn't make money off their work" stuff. Yeah, I get it, a lot of developers misuse updates and DLC, but saying those are the problem and not the devs who misuse them is a bit... well, it doesn't matter what I say. Some games out there are made just to make them, but saying there was a time games weren't made for profit is a level of blind hate that's pointless to talk to. Money is the entire reason Japan switched to making video games in the 1970's.
And I don't get why me spending a dollar or two on a cool hat in a game I really like is "low IQ dum dum" (Again, I get that some things are highly manipulative, but again, blaming something for developer misuse... or in this case, it could also be users lacking self-control.)
I'm just having fun. I'm not irresponsibly buying things without thought. It's money I worked for that impacts no one else playing, and it's going to people who made the thing I enjoy. It's otherwise negligible for anyone not interested.
People deserve to be able to profit off honest work and ideas. Why is providing something harmless that people like or want so terrible? Is responding to feedback with improvements also bad?
...I shouldn't be asking questions I won't see the answer to.

Sorry to anyone that wanted to continue the discussion reasonably or had important info related to the entire reason why I started this tab to begin with. I don't know how things blew up into unhinged economic/political drama.
I wish I could close this discussion on my own...

I am honestly fine with DLCs. It's an expensive practice for consumers especially those who have a poor economy. I understand that it can be like a double edge sword but for as long as the DLCs are affordable and worth it enough(still yes it is a bit harsh with the low IQ dum dum part".

I would actually buy the Palworld cosmetic DLCs if they would come out like I did with some other games since Palworld would still give us free updates on major things and I wanna support the Pocketpair team. It really is just optional cosmetics after all

[SoulReaperAxel]

Originally posted by Thornwood:

I am very concerned that Pocketpair will mine my computer for data after having a second look at the EULA.

If your pc is also used for banking and email then you need to be concerned about security.

You would have to be a lawyer to know whether the EULA limits data collection to infomation related to game.

Agreeing to the EULA may give Pocketpair explicit authorisation to do it, even if they may not normally have the right to do so.

The process was very similar to Ransomware. Agree to the EULA or your game will be deleted.

For a game that does not run Pocketpair's servers, the authorisation to collect data from your computer is unreasonable for the purposes stated.

The in principle authorisation to provide accurate payment to Pocketpair is unreasonable. My purchase has already been paid and was from Steam, not Pocketpair. I have no problem providing this to Steam. It is none of Pocketpair's business. If I have a reason to make a purchase from Pocketpair in the future, I can agree at that time.

My personal data and the security of my pc has value. This was not included in the purchase price when I bought the game.

To protect my pc I have deleted the game and all saved files.

every company data mines ur pc even video games to sell to 3rd partys