To Pocket Pair

[Kemaro Kitsune]

If you need support against Nintendo's greedy actions, let us of the community know!
i, for one, would be extatic to pay for some nominal Palworld DLC to send extra help and support for your legal defense against this bully of a company.

We cannot let Nintendo's actions hurt gaming as a whole, we must support Pocket Pair if they need it, because this is so much more than just Palworld at stake here.

i am extremely hopeful that their ludicrous lawsuit ideas will fall flat to the earth, but in any case, we should rally behind Pocket Pair and make sure this huge Bully doesn't get its way this time! It has shut down far too many dreams, works and ideas in the past.

Its time for them, Nintendo, to stop! *insert guy holding a huge clock here*

[nather75]

While even I would want to give more support to the devs what dlc would you be willing to go for.
Also worth taking in they don't want to go full live service probably due to community feedback.

[Kemaro Kitsune]

Originally posted by nather75:

While even I would want to give more support to the devs what dlc would you be willing to go for.
Also worth taking in they don't want to go full live service probably due to community feedback.

A new Pal package DLC could be neat! 6 new pal species to meet and befriend, or cool alternate versions of existing pals and Pal costumes. Or maybe something to change the colors of your pals.

Speaking on which, more character cutomization options would be cool too! Maybe even new outfits for vanity sets for your MC, so you could potentially wear...say a kimono or any other cool outfit, like a tuxedo, a dress, a medieval cloak and crown for a king/queen-like visual any cool looking outfit really, while getting mechanical benefits of other things you equip(maybe even use a lesser armor while having the stats of more advanced ones)
Terraria has such mechanic, where you have effective equipment slots and vanity slots, taht could be a cool addition.

Another one thing Palworld seems to lack in my opinion is 'build paths' for your MC, sure as you level up you can build just straight better armor/clothes and weapons, but theres a lack of 'alternate builds' like weapons of diferent elements and ranges.

Imagine that instead of just guns as you become more and more of a sniper/ranger, you could make...magic staves with Pal drops for a magic build, or cool looking melee weapons that let you use special moves like dashes and rising arc moves to make a full warrior/fighting build? That would be cool and spice up your MC build paths!

i would pay extra for DLCs of any of these features and more ^^

If nothing else, just to send extra support to Pocket Pair. i already bought this game and gifted it twice, to my brother and sister, cause honestly i think Pocket Pair deserves it, Nintendo has been bullying far to many game devs over the years and its sickening. Of course i'm but one fan of Palworld and i wouldn't make too mcuh difference alone, so perhaps with DLC packs more fans can send them help!

Sure Nintendo's case is flimsy, but they absolutely cannot win this, its so much more than Palworld at stake, if they were to win, they'd set a massive negative precedent on all of gaming.

[~ Fabulous ~]

I think they are good, Nintendo can't really bully them like their other victims

[Kemaro Kitsune]

Originally posted by ~ Fabulous ~:

I think they are good, Nintendo can't really bully them like their other victims

i am extremely hopeful that you are right! i really am ^^

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

Originally posted by Kemaro Kitsune:

*insert guy holding a huge clock here*

Haha I read that sentence wrong. :erune:

Anyway, err.. please keep your money.

1) Palworld made 500 million (500,000,000). That is what you'd never make in your life time. Not even 20 life times. Because $10k salary a month x 12 x 100 years = 12M (only 2.4% of 500M).

2) Patent lawsuits will not destroy a company. It is probably just 10-15% of sale profits. As demonstrated in Maricart, Colopl and other lawsuits. They paid a penalty, but it's just 15% of their total profits. It is super-rich CEO asking for each other's 13th month bonus. If you donate, both companies can laugh. They are doing the same things, selling games, sue each other to legally share profits, and you're injecting more.

3) The patent is most probably targeting the gambling mechanics. For example 3x capture chance roll, 3x IV max and shiny spawn ratio. Mechanics that make your heart skip a beat when you hit the jackpot. It exists. It is what makes pokemon sellable. People got addicted and people traded rare meow-two for money with cable links.

They don't want another game with similar gambling design to grow, thus the lawsuit. Because if people got addicted to a new gamble table, they won't be using yours anymore. Notice they hide the patent reason? People all guess that it's about a ball throw. Why would a ball throw threaten their next game? Why won't they issue a strong public statement if they are so concerned about the ball throw?

4) No company will ever respect your time or money. Their job is to deliver something and force people to buy it. If they can extend your life with their pills, no matter how cheap it is to make, it will come with a huge price.

Keep your money. That's my stand. Not against N or against P. As customer to customer, respect our hard earned money.

After you pointed that out, yeah i laughed out loud fr lol XD

But yeah i do apreciate your input, and thank you, i definitly do try to respect my money. Just some causes i'm a little passionate about...i supose as is my aspiration of one day be a game dev myself. And Nintendo has been just stepping on too many toes over the years and i'm sick of it, don't get me wrong i do not wish anything bad to happen to it or any devastating blow to its existance, i just wish for it to leave other devs alone cause Nintendo is a juggernaut in the gaming industry and it likes throwing its weight around to shut down projects.

Your math is sound and i agree! Its definitly about amounts of money that a normal invidual could never hope to match without something extremely lucky and major happening. However, paying a little extra for some DLC for a game i enjoy AND helping support their defense against N is deifnitly something i could get behind~

But i really appreciate your point of view! And its a little calming to get even more data on the matter, my inner circle of friends and communities are kinda freaking out over this, so getting more perspective on the matter is quite appreciated.

Talks about Pocket Pair losing everything to this has been thrown around and i'm not really...'law savy' so to speak XD

[davidou28]

Nonsense...you think Pocket Pair really care about your stupid proposition? They know what to do and how to proceed, and they know how this works! I suppose it's pleasant for them to know that players support them... but seriously, stop making nonsense by thinking they need your help or your advice...time to grow and be more realistic instead of acting like a ridiculous childish fan-boy.

[Arondil]

Originally posted by Kemaro Kitsune:

i, for one, would be extatic to pay for some nominal Palworld DLC to send extra help and support for your legal defense against this bully of a company.

Just buy additional copies of the game. That's the way to maximise your support - PocketPair won't even have to spend time and money on creating DLC. Also, be sure to buy the additional copies when there's no steam sale!

[Kemaro Kitsune]

Originally posted by davidou28:

Nonsense...you think Pocket Pair really care about your stupid proposition? They know what to do and how to proceed, and they know how this works! I suppose it's pleasant for them to know that players support them... but seriously, stop making nonsense by thinking they need your help or your advice...time to grow and be more realistic instead of acting like a ridiculous childish fan-boy.

A little harsh, but i do understand your point of view;
They are a gaming company that has recently made BIG due to Palworld'd explosive success and they're dealing with a 100+ year old juggernaut that has dominated the market of gaming for a long time, a single individual like me, could never hope to be even a drop of water in the ocean to the magnitude of the amounts of money they're dealing with. And you're right, i know that. And to be honest, answering your rethorical question...i'm merely one of millions of fans of their work and i'm certainly no legal advisor after all. But just as you said, it is always nice to hear words of encouragement, and even if mine have extremely slim chances of ever reaching them, i thought i'd throw them into the void anyways.

Still, you slightly misunderstand me; i'm not a fan-boy specificly of pocket pair per say, or even a hater of nintendo, not at all.
i merely appreciate the cultural ramifications AND negative legal precedents this can cause. This lawsuit nonsense could bring missfortune to all of gaming.
A company should hold rights to their IP, their characters, story, world and their original creations and that is fair and good. But holding legal rights to entire gaming mechanics is something i am emphaticly against as this kills innovation and variety, it is against the competitive and fair spirit of the market, and Nintendo has a history of bully-like and predatory behavior when it comes to things like this. It hit pokemon fan games that were to be distributed FOR FREE with cease&desist orders, it did the same with a metroid game, and whats worse it later released a game using the same assets the fan/developer in question created.

And other such anti-ethical practices.

In other words, i'm not only wanting to defend Pocket Pair itself, its bigger than that; i want indie developers to be able to create their games unimpeded and without fear of being stomped out by huge companies because of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and in this lawsuit legal battle, Pocket Pair is the one representing my ideals. Simple as that.

Let me regale you with a tale:
Once upon a time, Capcom, street fighter's owner, tried to sue a company called Data East for their game 'Fighter's History'. A couple of the many things they wanted to sue them for was the fact the characters of Fighter's History could throw fireballs and do rising anti-aerial moves and it had a stun mechanic.
The judge, in his infinite wisdom, bless his soul, pointed out "Capcom, your character's fireball is blue, this character's fireball is green, clearly, they are different." each of capcom's claims for this lawsuit was sumarely denied, and rightfully so.
Thanks to capcom losing these processes, games like King of fighters could now come in with their own fireballs, rising anti-air attacks and stun mechanics.
It set a positive precedent for fighting games; they COULD have characters using fireballs.

Do you see?
Data East won this lawsuit, something that happened like, years before i was even born, and if it hadn't, i wouldn't have known games such as King of Fighters and Guilty Gear among others.

This is why i care about this.
And this is why i don't care if my proposition is childish or ridiculous to you and even if it will never reach Pocket Pair itself.
i stand by it, i am not afraid or ashamed of the things i like and believe in. This is how i live, no matter how small or insignificant, be the change you want to see in the world don't just wait for others to do it for you.

A little bit of hope, a little shy light in the darkness goes a long way. Pocket Pair itself is proof of that, they were a little indie dev studio not long ago, and suddenly got huge cause of Palworld...quite an inspiration really, and i want to see more of that.

Originally posted by Arondil:

Originally posted by Kemaro Kitsune:

i, for one, would be extatic to pay for some nominal Palworld DLC to send extra help and support for your legal defense against this bully of a company.

Just buy additional copies of the game. That's the way to maximise your support - PocketPair won't even have to spend time and money on creating DLC. Also, be sure to buy the additional copies when there's no steam sale!

Oh i did so ^^ i have bought one for myself and two additional copies which i've gifted to my siblings so we could play together.

[davidou28]

Originally posted by Kemaro Kitsune:

Originally posted by davidou28:

Nonsense...you think Pocket Pair really care about your stupid proposition? They know what to do and how to proceed, and they know how this works! I suppose it's pleasant for them to know that players support them... but seriously, stop making nonsense by thinking they need your help or your advice...time to grow and be more realistic instead of acting like a ridiculous childish fan-boy.

A little harsh, but i do understand your point of view;
They are a gaming company that has recently made BIG due to Palworld'd explosive success and they're dealing with a 100+ year old juggernaut that has dominated the market of gaming for a long time, a single individual like me, could never hope to be even a drop of water in the ocean to the magnitude of the amounts of money they're dealing with. And you're right, i know that. And to be honest, answering your rethorical question...i'm merely one of millions of fans of their work and i'm certainly no legal advisor after all. But just as you said, it is always nice to hear words of encouragement, and even if mine have extremely slim chances of ever reaching them, i thought i'd throw them into the void anyways.

Still, you slightly misunderstand me; i'm not a fan-boy specificly of pocket pair per say, or even a hater of nintendo, not at all.
i merely appreciate the cultural ramifications AND negative legal precedents this can cause. This lawsuit nonsense could bring missfortune to all of gaming.
A company should hold rights to their IP, their characters, story, world and their original creations and that is fair and good. But holding legal rights to entire gaming mechanics is something i am emphaticly against as this kills innovation and variety, it is against the competitive and fair spirit of the market, and Nintendo has a history of bully-like and predatory behavior when it comes to things like this. It hit pokemon fan games that were to be distributed FOR FREE with cease&desist orders, it did the same with a metroid game, and whats worse it later released a game using the same assets the fan/developer in question created.

And other such anti-ethical practices.

In other words, i'm not only wanting to defend Pocket Pair itself, its bigger than that; i want indie developers to be able to create their games unimpeded and without fear of being stomped out by huge companies because of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and in this lawsuit legal battle, Pocket Pair is the one representing my ideals. Simple as that.

Let me regale you with a tale:
Once upon a time, Capcom, street fighter's owner, tried to sue a company called Data East for their game 'Fighter's History'. A couple of the many things they wanted to sue them for was the fact the characters of Fighter's History could throw fireballs and do rising anti-aerial moves and it had a stun mechanic.
The judge, in his infinite wisdom, bless his soul, pointed out "Capcom, your character's fireball is blue, this character's fireball is green, clearly, they are different." each of capcom's claims for this lawsuit was sumarely denied, and rightfully so.
Thanks to capcom losing these processes, games like King of fighters could now come in with their own fireballs, rising anti-air attacks and stun mechanics.
It set a positive precedent for fighting games; they COULD have characters using fireballs.

Do you see?
Data East won this lawsuit, something that happened like, years before i was even born, and if it hadn't, i wouldn't have known games such as King of Fighters and Guilty Gear among others.

This is why i care about this.
And this is why i don't care if my proposition is childish or ridiculous to you and even if it will never reach Pocket Pair itself.
i stand by it, i am not afraid or ashamed of the things i like and believe in. This is how i live, no matter how small or insignificant, be the change you want to see in the world don't just wait for others to do it for you.

A little bit of hope, a little shy light in the darkness goes a long way. Pocket Pair itself is proof of that, they were a little indie dev studio not long ago, and suddenly got huge cause of Palworld...quite an inspiration really, and i want to see more of that.

Originally posted by Arondil:

Just buy additional copies of the game. That's the way to maximise your support - PocketPair won't even have to spend time and money on creating DLC. Also, be sure to buy the additional copies when there's no steam sale!

Oh i did so ^^ i have bought one for myself and two additional copies which i've gifted to my siblings so we could play together.

ok, i'm sorry to have been so rude, have my apologies. For me, the misfortune is to buy "games" to companies like Pocket Pair, who sell things not even achieved, and technically unplayable for a lot of people. How could video games companies respect gamers, players, if they see they can sell any ♥♥♥♥ thanks to a hype? How could you imagine they could have any concern about whose that spent money for their products in this conditions? All the companies have the same goal: to make more and more money, that's all...Pocket Pair included! So, i don't care about video games companies, i don't care about Nintendo, i don't care about Pocket Pair (i came here because i was in a time a little bit interested...then i made my research about the game, gameplay, technical status, community...and i estimate that this weren't even worth my time), i'm customer: i see something that interest me, i take informations, advices, and eventually buy...this same company go bankrupt? Not my problem...i don't owned them anything, i can live without video game. Independant company searching fonds to released a game? Not my problem! you have fonds, do it...you don't have, forget it. "Support" is not a thing we own to companies: they sell a product, we give money to have it (if the quality and the interest suit us), that's all. And i will never be more indulgent with a "little indie dev's company" than an ogre like Nintendo...for me, the principle is the same: you have the means to do something, you do...you don't have, you abstain instead of counting on the players supports...mainly if it's to propose a product with a awful quality.. And finally, the law is the law: Pocket Pair have played with the fire since the beginning...they've played, they've lost, that's very simple, in fact. I'm still here because MY interest is what we became, us, gamers, and how the video's game industry treat us...and when i see certain comments or reactions, i must say that we have all that we deserves. In consequence, even if what you said is probably real, even if i can understand your point of view, your "tale" don't mean anything to me, sorry... Saying things like "if things have happened this way, i would have never know this game" don't speak to me ("believing" in a video games company?...well, why not: they are people who believes in god, or martians...). I finally respect what you said, the way you see things, but we will never be on the same wavelenght: too much idealism...not enough realism.

[Kemaro Kitsune]

Originally posted by davidou28:

ok, i'm sorry to have been so rude, have my apologies. For me, the misfortune is to buy "games" to companies like Pocket Pair, who sell things not even achieved, and technically unplayable for a lot of people. How could video games companies respect gamers, players, if they see they can sell any ♥♥♥♥ thanks to a hype? How could you imagine they could have any concern about whose that spent money for their products in this conditions? All the companies have the same goal: to make more and more money, that's all...Pocket Pair included! So, i don't care about video games companies, i don't care about Nintendo, i don't care about Pocket Pair, i'm a customer: i see something that interest me, i take informations, advices, and eventually buy...this same company go bankrupt? Not my problem...i don't owned them anything, i can live without video game. Independant company searching fonds to released a game? Not my problem! you have fonds, do it...you don't have, forget it. "Support" is not a thing we own to companies: they sell a product, we give money to have it (if the quality and the interest suit us), that's all. And i will never be more indulgent with a "little indie dev's company" than an ogre like Nintendo...for me, the principle is the same: you have the means to do something, you do...you don't have, you abstain instead of counting on the players supports...mainly if it's to propose a product with a awful quality. And finally, the law is the law: Pocket Pair have played with the fire since the beginning...they've played, they've lost, that's very simple, in fact. Because of that, even if what you said is probably real, even if i can understand your point of view, your "tale" don't mean anything to me, sorry... Saying things like "if things have happened this way, i would have never know this game" don't speak to me ("believing" in a video games company?...well, why not: they are people who believes in god, or martians...). I finally respect what you said, the way you see things, but we will never be on the same wavelenght: too much idealism...not enough realism.

Much appreciated! No hard feelings ^^
Really, i can tottaly respect your stance, honestly. i'm not some blind fan that gives inconditional support to a company either. They'll have me as long as i can agree to their ethics AND provide quality products i can thoroughly enjoy.

i wouldn't say i believe in any companies...i believe in an ideal, the ideal of 'creative freedom', and in this legal fight, Pocket Pair represents my ideal.
i think people should be able to express themselves artisticly without fear of being sued and strangled(as long as they're not using blattant Plagiarism).
To me, video games are a form of art, it has music, story telling and well, literal visual art.
It feels personal to me because, i do have some dreams and aspirations of one day, create a game myself, i'm working and studying towards that so maybe one day i can make my own game! So putting myself in the shoes of pocket pair; recently makes a successful game only to have a big bully show up, makes me want to support them...just a little bit of empathy.

We might see things slightly different and thats alright, for i also see a lot of common ground we can agree on, for example, the simple baseline that we're both gamers and want to enjoy the games we play. Believe me, the moment Pocket Pair were to start acting like Nintendo is, i would NOT be supporting it anymore lol Same goes for any company really xD

[davidou28]

Originally posted by Kemaro Kitsune:

Originally posted by davidou28:

ok, i'm sorry to have been so rude, have my apologies. For me, the misfortune is to buy "games" to companies like Pocket Pair, who sell things not even achieved, and technically unplayable for a lot of people. How could video games companies respect gamers, players, if they see they can sell any ♥♥♥♥ thanks to a hype? How could you imagine they could have any concern about whose that spent money for their products in this conditions? All the companies have the same goal: to make more and more money, that's all...Pocket Pair included! So, i don't care about video games companies, i don't care about Nintendo, i don't care about Pocket Pair, i'm a customer: i see something that interest me, i take informations, advices, and eventually buy...this same company go bankrupt? Not my problem...i don't owned them anything, i can live without video game. Independant company searching fonds to released a game? Not my problem! you have fonds, do it...you don't have, forget it. "Support" is not a thing we own to companies: they sell a product, we give money to have it (if the quality and the interest suit us), that's all. And i will never be more indulgent with a "little indie dev's company" than an ogre like Nintendo...for me, the principle is the same: you have the means to do something, you do...you don't have, you abstain instead of counting on the players supports...mainly if it's to propose a product with a awful quality. And finally, the law is the law: Pocket Pair have played with the fire since the beginning...they've played, they've lost, that's very simple, in fact. Because of that, even if what you said is probably real, even if i can understand your point of view, your "tale" don't mean anything to me, sorry... Saying things like "if things have happened this way, i would have never know this game" don't speak to me ("believing" in a video games company?...well, why not: they are people who believes in god, or martians...). I finally respect what you said, the way you see things, but we will never be on the same wavelenght: too much idealism...not enough realism.

Much appreciated! No hard feelings ^^
Really, i can tottaly respect your stance, honestly. i'm not some blind fan that gives inconditional support to a company either. They'll have me as long as i can agree to their ethics AND provide quality products i can thoroughly enjoy.

i wouldn't say i believe in any companies...i believe in an ideal, the ideal of 'creative freedom', and in this legal fight, Pocket Pair represents my ideal.
i think people should be able to express themselves artisticly without fear of being sued and strangled(as long as they're not using blattant Plagiarism).
To me, video games are a form of art, it has music, story telling and well, literal visual art.
It feels personal to me because, i do have some dreams and aspirations of one day, create a game myself, i'm working and studying towards that so maybe one day i can make my own game! So putting myself in the shoes of pocket pair; recently makes a successful game only to have a big bully show up, makes me want to support them...just a little bit of empathy.

We might see things slightly different and thats alright, for i also see a lot of common ground we can agree on, for example, the simple baseline that we're both gamers and want to enjoy the games we play. Believe me, the moment Pocket Pair were to start acting like Nintendo is, i would NOT be supporting it anymore lol Same goes for any company really xD

i understand...no problem with you or your opinion, like i said ;). My apologies again to have almost mock you whereas you seems more sane than me....I don't want to be the one who give lessons, i'm just a little annoyed when i saw how the majority of gamers have became today, a lot only following and refering a hype to give credits to a game (it's my vision of the things, i don't say i'm right)...not really a problem, in fact, everyone do what he wants, i will never criticise whose who like this game, it would be stupid...but i'm afraid to see how vidoe games industry avail this situation, this today's behavior, with youtubers, influencers...afraid about how companies treat us, gamers, how they can possibly and more and more take us for idiots...it's unfortunatelly really what i think when i see this community (for an exemple, a lot are spitting on Nintendo and Pokemon...have they forget they are here BECAUSE of Pokemon, since this game has been discribe as "pokemon with guns"?...and how they use this as the principal argument to explain why they're playing this game? I don't see any logic, any common sense...and i think it will be at the detriment of players, gamers, not video games company). I don't know if you saw my edit, but i specify why i react: in fact, i'm not supposed to be here, on this forum, i finally don't own the game and made my opinion about it a few time ago, already...so logically, i have nothing to do here. But this community and this game (there is worse in term of game, of course, i reassure you... i don't consider Palworld as a real scam...but not far lol ) represent such what i dislike in video game, not only because of the certain "toxicity" of this community, but also because this kind of product and the exagerated succes it had encounters and, above all, the way it had obtained it, could open doors to more and more real scammers who will feel in confidence to fool players, because a lot of them are not really able to evaluate objectively a game and fall in traps like "hype" or something...(again, it's my felt, not necessarily the truth...). It's why i can't afford to pass by there, sometimes. (i'm a little "of topic", i know: we are talking here about the sue and its justification or not)
Finally, maybe we share more than i suppose despite our different point of view, i don't know...well...

[Jomaha]

My stance on "DLC" should be for the gender identity crowd. The rest, we've already purchased.

I would also like to support the small studio as well by means of private currency such as Monero.

[Jomaha]

Originally posted by ~ Fabulous ~:

I think they are good, Nintendo can't really bully them like their other victims

Nintendo have the power to do what ever they want regardless of law's/legislation. They can lobby to have Pocket Pair simply to no longer exist. You should think twice before making such a claim.

[BlackHeart]

worst case i think if they nintendodo wins, palworld will get fine and they will need to remove the ball mechanics capture(i think is the issue, weaking and status(burning, stun) effect to make it alter the chance to capture), they should put some work into a new mechanic that voids it, so they can keep operations.

what be some nice replacements capture/taming would be nice... might be more useful information and inspiration for to work with

[Elv原则]

Than start by making real movement, only talk is pointless.
Bomb review all their game on metacritic etc, do the same for all their social media.

Honestly what i think will happen is just nothing, the lawsuit will progress without any solution for a long time since at first place Nintendo just want to bleed out money from pocket pair and warn other dev to not do the same.

As for who win, who knows. Pocket pair is not just indie dev anymore, they have jv with sony creating palworld entertainment, basically they want to take on pokemon.

[Star Sage]

I mean, Cult of the Lamb rarely gets any pushback for their DLC packs, since they are all cosmetic/nominal. Nothing that affects the game, just gives you some more things to put around your base, and some stuff for making the followers look good. The only exception is the one that includes a digital comic, and a short quest referencing that comic(which is otherwise the same find the follower quest you always can get).