Palspheres.. Crude Workbench, yes... Advanced Workbench, no?

[maestro]

So, I started a new save, hoping the pathfinding issues were finally fixed, it seems like at least some of it was fixed, so that's awesome!

But, I noticed something and it's kinda-sorta got my save bricked... well, not really but hear me out here.

The first "basic" or "crude" workbench you craft can make Palspheres.

Well, I got far enough to unlock the Advanced Workstation and.... it ....

Cannot.

Craft Palspheres.

Like literally, WTF? Pretty sure that's the only item the basic one has that's missing from the advanced one.

So now I have zero 'spheres left and I don't feel like making a temporary old bench just to make spheres, but I'm 1 level away from learning the Sphere crafting bench.

It just seems really weird to do that.

[SpaceToast]

i just buy blue spheres from the merchant, gold is easy to get. Same with greens.

[maestro]

I'd rather save that gold and spend it on ammo; palspheres unlike ammo do not require ingots, or gunpowder lol

[funewchie]

Yeah, a few of the tech progression at times seem a bit bass-ackwards.
Like you unlock one item, and a critical component for it unlocks 3 levels later.

I always advise keeping the primitive workbench, as there's a few things you can only craft on one anyways (cosmetics, mostly).
But you also always have something to fall back on.
(Like my main base uses electricity and assembly lines, but I still keep the old manual benches around, just in case)

I guess they assumed by the time you get advanced bench, you're ready for more specialized ones.
Either way, at least you're only one level away from it.

[SpaceToast]

Originally posted by maestro:

I'd rather save that gold and spend it on ammo; palspheres unlike ammo do not require ingots, or gunpowder lol

I buy ammo as well, i only craft red balls and up.

[maestro]

Originally posted by funewchie:

I guess they assumed by the time you get advanced bench, you're ready for more specialized ones.
Either way, at least you're only one level away from it.

Except for the fact that the Advanced Crafting Station and the Sphere Station are at least 3 levels apart. And they had to have known that some people were going to disassemble the old station thinking they don't need it anymore and don't want the clutter.

[Nicodemous52]

Well, you can make them on the pal sphere bench when you unlock that. But, the primitive work bench is so cheap, why not just make another? I keep it around anyway so I can make both cloth and say nails at the same time.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by maestro:

Originally posted by funewchie:

I guess they assumed by the time you get advanced bench, you're ready for more specialized ones.
Either way, at least you're only one level away from it.

Except for the fact that the Advanced Crafting Station and the Sphere Station are at least 3 levels apart. And they had to have known that some people were going to disassemble the old station thinking they don't need it anymore and don't want the clutter.

That's why I called it bass-ackwards.
And I would've done the same as you, but from others games, I'm used to hanging on to my old stuff for a while, even when I get better stuff.

You are right, though, that they shouldn't have assumed players would.
Either way, at least the primitive bench can be rebuilt easily.

[White Rabbit Alice]

Theres a Pal-Sphere bench. once you get that, and the other benches, you wont even need the primitive one taking up room in your base anymore.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by White Rabbit Alice:

Theres a Pal-Sphere bench. once you get that, and the other benches, you wont even need the primitive one taking up room in your base anymore.

Yes, he's aware of that.
Like he said, he hasn't unlocked it yet. But has the Advanced bench and wasn't aware that you can't make Spheres on it.

[Kikinaak]

This is called a learning curve. Most games have them. Take the spheres out of the equation, assuming a higher tier station would have all the recipes as its predecessor, to the point of destroying the old one before even checking to verify the recipes on the new one, is a mistake no matter what game you are playing. Further, in a game that shows pals working multiple benches in the trailers, why would you destroy the old one instead of having a backup for parallel crafting?

3 Levels arent that hard to grind out, and the tech screen only has room for so many recipes unlocked per level, so I can see why they are spaced that way.

OP made an assumption, made a mistake from it, and got bit by it. The basic workbench is dirt cheap, consider it a bargain price for a lesson learnt.

[maestro]

Originally posted by Kikinaak:

This is called a learning curve. Most games have them. Take the spheres out of the equation, assuming a higher tier station would have all the recipes as its predecessor, to the point of destroying the old one before even checking to verify the recipes on the new one, is a mistake no matter what game you are playing. Further, in a game that shows pals working multiple benches in the trailers, why would you destroy the old one instead of having a backup for parallel crafting?

3 Levels arent that hard to grind out, and the tech screen only has room for so many recipes unlocked per level, so I can see why they are spaced that way.

OP made an assumption, made a mistake from it, and got bit by it. The basic workbench is dirt cheap, consider it a bargain price for a lesson learnt.

I've played several of these kinds of games, and never once did I see an upgraded crafting station remove a recipe that the older one had.

That's backwards design, and bad design besides. No game does this. I made the assumption I did, because it's just standard practice that any recipes are transferred to the new station.

And besides, one must ask themselves, why THAT recipe? You can still make all the rest of them, just not THAT one. It looks more like an oversight than anything else.

[rick.vanopdorp]

Originally posted by maestro:

Originally posted by Kikinaak:

This is called a learning curve. Most games have them. Take the spheres out of the equation, assuming a higher tier station would have all the recipes as its predecessor, to the point of destroying the old one before even checking to verify the recipes on the new one, is a mistake no matter what game you are playing. Further, in a game that shows pals working multiple benches in the trailers, why would you destroy the old one instead of having a backup for parallel crafting?

3 Levels arent that hard to grind out, and the tech screen only has room for so many recipes unlocked per level, so I can see why they are spaced that way.

OP made an assumption, made a mistake from it, and got bit by it. The basic workbench is dirt cheap, consider it a bargain price for a lesson learnt.

I've played several of these kinds of games, and never once did I see an upgraded crafting station remove a recipe that the older one had.

That's backwards design, and bad design besides. No game does this. I made the assumption I did, because it's just standard practice that any recipes are transferred to the new station.

And besides, one must ask themselves, why THAT recipe? You can still make all the rest of them, just not THAT one. It looks more like an oversight than anything else.

Not an oversight, they just moved that recipe to the pal sphere bench for that tier. The only misstake they made is not having both benches unlock at the same level. If they had done that players would just replace the old bench with the 2 new ones and not have any problems.

Interestingly there is another such weird placement in the tech tree. The Helzephyr saddle unlocks at level 33, but requires refined ingot which unlocks at level 34. Therefore if you unlock the saddle at level 33 you cannot craft it yet unless you go and buy the refined ingot or level up to 34.

[maestro]

Originally posted by rick.vanopdorp:

Not an oversight, they just moved that recipe to the pal sphere bench for that tier. The only misstake they made is not having both benches unlock at the same level. If they had done that players would just replace the old bench with the 2 new ones and not have any problems.

Interestingly there is another such weird placement in the tech tree. The Helzephyr saddle unlocks at level 33, but requires refined ingot which unlocks at level 34. Therefore if you unlock the saddle at level 33 you cannot craft it yet unless you go and buy the refined ingot or level up to 34.

I suppose if the sphere bench was unlocked at the same level, then yes, that would have also been a viable solution.