Why Nintendo suing over the "Pokeball Patent" is as stupid as trying to swim in air

[Xddc]

Capture spheres are not a new concept, and cannot be patented.

- Nintendo suing over capture spheres would mean they would have to claim they originally owned the "Capture-Sphere trope" first and foremost,

- Contradiction: Capture-spheres have existed as an science-fiction concept for a long time, Nintendo was only the one to popularize it with the pokeball.

- Nintendo is trying to pass off the pokeball as a patent, in all regards.

- Contradiction: This would also mean suing old movies, books, magazines, comics, and more recent (in todays standards) titles like Starbound, to flagship titles where you tame monsters.

Heaven forbid that someone else makes an device that is meant to make an creature obey you, right?

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The developers of palworld can easily debunk Nintendo's claims, and in fact countersue for trying to copyright an concept that is in itself too broad of a concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rjNugHruE4

Nintendo be grasping at invisible straws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItGD_vbX-8

If nintendo wins, we all lose...

[amok]

No one knows which patents Nintendo is suing over.

Here is the official letter: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2024/240919.html

Does not mention pokeballs anywhere.

Stop beliving eveyrhing random people on YouTube tells you

[Xddc]

Originally posted by amok:

No one knows which patents Nintendo is suing over.

Here is the official letter: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2024/240919.html

Does not mention pokeballs anywhere.

Stop beliving eveyrhing random people on YouTube tells you

"Encouraging healthy sleeping habits" is also way too broad.

[Trunksmad]

It just more amazes me they are willing to target this instead of the stupid crap you find in mobile device game app stores. Like I seen rip off of pokemon legendary's, Ash, or some well known character from Pokemon anime/games being used and do we even hear them getting sued for a pay to win app game?

But if they go after the game mechanic's, then understand this is gonna be Crazy Taxi all over again, which pissed off many people.

[Xddc]

Originally posted by Trunksmad:

It just more amazes me they are willing to target this instead of the stupid crap you find in mobile device game app stores. Like I seen rip off of pokemon legendary's, Ash, or some well known character from Pokemon anime/games being used and do we even hear them getting sued for a pay to win app game?

But if they go after the game mechanic's, then understand this is gonna be Crazy Taxi all over again, which pissed off many people.

Yeah; I heard that the ones behind mass effect sued fox for even considering, keyword: Considering using an dialogue wheel similar to mass effect.

The patent looks like an oval with lines on it with a triangle. If this is how game patents currently exist: they are too simple and too broad. And in my honest opinion? Haven't even earned the right to be called patents.

If the patents were as a complex as every inner workings of an Tec-9, I'd fully understand: But trying to patent an sphere throw??? Cmon. Thats just grasping at straws that aren't even there.

[amok]

Originally posted by sggaghghwaghwghwgh:

[...] The patent looks like an oval with lines on it with a triangle. If this is how game patents currently exist: they are too simple and too broad. And in my honest opinion? Haven't even earned the right to be called patents. [...]

You are right that it is not earned the right to be a patent... BECAUSE WHAT YOU DESCRIBE HERE IS NOT A PATENT...

You are talking about a graphic design. Graphic designs are protected by copyright. This is a breach of patent suit, not copyright.

jeez.... you do not know what a patent is, do you?

[Professor Fairfield]

Originally posted by amok:

No one knows which patents Nintendo is suing over.

Here is the official letter: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2024/240919.html

Does not mention pokeballs anywhere.

Stop beliving eveyrhing random people on YouTube tells you

While that is true, the balls are pretty much the only gameplay mechanic that PalWorld explicitly shares with Pokemon and other monster capture games don't. It's overwhelmingly the design of the monsters that makes people compare it to Pokemon, so if Nintendo isn't suing over that, then by process of elimination, the ball mechanic is at least a pretty safe bet.

[Xddc]

Originally posted by Professor Fairfield:

Originally posted by amok:

No one knows which patents Nintendo is suing over.

Here is the official letter: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2024/240919.html

Does not mention pokeballs anywhere.

Stop beliving eveyrhing random people on YouTube tells you

While that is true, the balls are pretty much the only gameplay mechanic that PalWorld explicitly shares with Pokemon and other monster capture games don't. It's overwhelmingly the design of the monsters that makes people compare it to Pokemon, so if Nintendo isn't suing over that, then by process of elimination, the ball mechanic is at least a pretty safe bet.

The ball mechanic exists in starbound, but on an 2D scale. Plus, them suing over the pal sphere would literally mean they're suing over an science fiction concept:

It is literally too broad, too vague...

[boilpoint0]

Originally posted by amok:

Originally posted by sggaghghwaghwghwgh:

[...] The patent looks like an oval with lines on it with a triangle. If this is how game patents currently exist: they are too simple and too broad. And in my honest opinion? Haven't even earned the right to be called patents. [...]

You are right that it is not earned the right to be a patent... BECAUSE WHAT YOU DESCRIBE HERE IS NOT A PATENT...

You are talking about a graphic design. Graphic designs are protected by copyright. This is a breach of patent suit, not copyright.

jeez.... you do not know what a patent is, do you?

Yeah, so Nintendo should sue Pal for copyright infringement, right?

The point is one can't not be allowed to patent such a universal mechanics in game industry.

[raltus]

Originally posted by boilpoint0:

Originally posted by amok:

You are right that it is not earned the right to be a patent... BECAUSE WHAT YOU DESCRIBE HERE IS NOT A PATENT...

You are talking about a graphic design. Graphic designs are protected by copyright. This is a breach of patent suit, not copyright.

jeez.... you do not know what a patent is, do you?

Yeah, so Nintendo should sue Pal for copyright infringement, right?

The point is one can't not be allowed to patent such a universal mechanics in game industry.

Here's the problem, they have gone overly broad on a lot of things that could affect more than Palworld. They even went so far as to file patents for cartridges. A thing that they were not the first to develop. A quick search shows the Fairchild Channel F, something I've never heard of until now, was the first game console to use cartridges in 1976. They could maybe get by with a design patent, but that's about it. Yet that isn't what they've done. Instead they've gone all out with it, and that's just a quick browse through,

I count 20, the whole first page, that have been granted since July this year. There are over 50 pages, with the last one on page 46 being from January 2017. They've gone nuts filing patents for several years now. Some taking a few months, others around 5 years to be granted. A lot seems to be hardware, but I didn't take a close look at many while scrolling through.
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/nintendo-co-ltd

[boilpoint0]

Originally posted by raltus:

Originally posted by boilpoint0:

Yeah, so Nintendo should sue Pal for copyright infringement, right?

The point is one can't not be allowed to patent such a universal mechanics in game industry.

Here's the problem, they have gone overly broad on a lot of things that could affect more than Palworld. They even went so far as to file patents for cartridges. A thing that they were not the first to develop. A quick search shows the Fairchild Channel F, something I've never heard of until now, was the first game console to use cartridges in 1976. They could maybe get by with a design patent, but that's about it. Yet that isn't what they've done. Instead they've gone all out with it, and that's just a quick browse through,

I count 20, the whole first page, that have been granted since July this year. There are over 50 pages, with the last one on page 46 being from January 2017. They've gone nuts filing patents for several years now. Some taking a few months, others around 5 years to be granted. A lot seems to be hardware, but I didn't take a close look at many while scrolling through.
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/nintendo-co-ltd

Nintendo is basically trying to confuse as many people as possible with their trick at patenting. The most "brilliant" move they have done was confused the very patent office to grant them a patent about a basic game mechanics in the past, and this set a terrible precedent for what happened now, they are allowed to patent over everything they want, since they can own "a basic game mechanics", so what thing can't be owned by them?

They distorted and packaged some of their art features as "game mechanics" invented by them. So an issue about copyright infringement can easily be pursued through a patent infringement lawsuit.

People even don't have to read all those wall of texts to figure out what patents they gonna use to sue Pal's dev. Because it doesn't matter, those patents must be as vague, broad-covering as possible, so it can be used for suing Palworld, given that Pal and Pokemon are totally two different games in terms of gameplay.

[Freezeblase]

i'd say Palworlds have little to worry about, because if they succeed sueing Palworld they'll have to sue everyoee else, and all pokemonlike game, i'm pretty sure Palworld will either find a agreement or get out of this scottfree

[amok]

Originally posted by boilpoint0:

Originally posted by amok:

You are right that it is not earned the right to be a patent... BECAUSE WHAT YOU DESCRIBE HERE IS NOT A PATENT...

You are talking about a graphic design. Graphic designs are protected by copyright. This is a breach of patent suit, not copyright.

jeez.... you do not know what a patent is, do you?

Yeah, so Nintendo should sue Pal for copyright infringement, right?

The point is one can't not be allowed to patent such a universal mechanics in game industry.

Which patent are they suing over? Do you know? Beacuse Ninteno have not told anyone yet

And patents are filed and granted in countries, not by industry sectors. Each country have different patent laws.

[amok]

Originally posted by raltus:

Originally posted by boilpoint0:

Yeah, so Nintendo should sue Pal for copyright infringement, right?

The point is one can't not be allowed to patent such a universal mechanics in game industry.

Here's the problem, they have gone overly broad on a lot of things that could affect more than Palworld. They even went so far as to file patents for cartridges. A thing that they were not the first to develop. A quick search shows the Fairchild Channel F, something I've never heard of until now, was the first game console to use cartridges in 1976. They could maybe get by with a design patent, but that's about it. Yet that isn't what they've done. Instead they've gone all out with it, and that's just a quick browse through,

I count 20, the whole first page, that have been granted since July this year. There are over 50 pages, with the last one on page 46 being from January 2017. They've gone nuts filing patents for several years now. Some taking a few months, others around 5 years to be granted. A lot seems to be hardware, but I didn't take a close look at many while scrolling through.
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/nintendo-co-ltd

There is a lot of wrong here, but the most basic is this:

Firstly - In Japan (and most other countries) patents are granted on a first-to-file basis, not first-to-document nor first-to-invent. So when someone first did anything does not matter if they did not apply for a patent for it first.

Secondly - you need to read the patent documents see what it actually patented, not just read the title. The ddocuments are very specific. A concole cartridge as a concept cannot be patented, but a specific cartride can. In a different thread here someone tried to say that in the USA someone had a patent for "Flying Disc", in other words what most people think of as a Frisbee, becuase they just read the title. Turns out that it was a patent on a specific disc, that you filled with water, and they had invented some slots inside the disc that is at a specific angle leading to a ring of holes, so that when the disc is thrown the water is forced out due to the sentripidal force of the rotation and it creates a flat plane of water around the disc. That is what was patended, not the concept af a "flying disc", even though the title of the patent is "Flying Disc". (Also - read the documents, do not belive what someone told you in a YouTube video, almost non of them know what they are talking about)

[amok]

Originally posted by Freezeblase:

i'd say Palworlds have little to worry about, because if they succeed sueing Palworld they'll have to sue everyoee else, and all pokemonlike game, i'm pretty sure Palworld will either find a agreement or get out of this scottfree

This is just wrong. You can sue who you want, and you can chose to not sue others. What ever gave you this idea?

(Are you thinking of trademarks? because a trademark you have to fight or risk losing it. But this is not a trademark case)

[Innominatam]

I am sure the ball mechanic is part of it don;t get me wrong anyone who thinks Nintendo should even be allowed to patent such a thing is crazy.

I don't care if you hate palworld or not, but this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above that.

If you do not see the massive danger from such a move, I am sorry but somethings wrong with you