Bases too small?

[Herald of Fire]

So, I've gotten to the point where I can build 3 bases and honestly I feel like you NEED additional bases because it's almost impossible to fit what you want into just one. The assembly lines alone take up a crazy amount of space, never mind the rest of the infrastructure needed to support them.

Tried to upgrade my ore mine to a tier 2, and the new one takes up enough space to fit an entire house! It gets really crazy really fast, to say nothing of putting up any kind of defensive walls or barriers.

I feel like there should be certain base upgrades that, once earned, give you a permanent boost to the base radius. I know you can technically just build outside of the base radius and turn off building degradation, but that feels more like a cheat than a legitimate option.

Alternatively, have a small radius to start with, and each new construction adds a small bonus to that radius.

Does anyone else feel that the base sizes just aren't flexible enough?

[Dagoth Earth]

If you're only building wide, yeah. There's just not enough floor space, especially if you want more than 15 pals and want enough large beds for them all. You more or less have to build tall as well if you want to fit everything in, and because of how pathfinding works, that can be problematic depending on how you design your base.

My recommendation: Have all your handiwork stuff in a wall bracket alongside one of the edges of your base. Two tiles tall/wide so there's enough space for your small pals to get in and out, staircases up each side. Use anubis or something else small as your crafters and a small/medium pal (eg. helzephyr) for your haulers. Have chests right next to each station for quick dumping, and nothing else up there. Put a breeding ranch on the roof level; make sure it's at least 8 tiles up. Make sure your ground floor stairs have a 1 tile wide roof around them so your bigger pals can't path onto them and get stuck; for the same reason, make sure your palbox is nowhere near it.

You'll still get the occasional one glitching up onto the roof, but for the most part, this should mitigate issues without needing to clutter the base too much. Having the production lines and breeding farm out of the way frees up a lot of room.

Also, as an aside, if you have pals regularly going missing from your base, chances are good they're rendering inside the tier 2 ore mine and either clipping through the ground because of it or just... getting stuck. Only noticed this one last night when I noticed the drill from one of my digtoises sticking out after seeing the hungry tag on it.

[Nauct]

I have more than I need with 4 bases. Half my bases are empty because I keep everything close together for minimum pal travel time. If you could build bigger you wouldn't want to

[Xeno Repo]

Imagine if the devs learned of this crazy new invention called "stairs" and the novel concept of builds with, get this, a floor level ABOVE the ground floor level.

Oh wait, no sorry, they actually DO have those in the game but they're too stupid to actually make it to where pals are capable of ever using them so everything has to be crammed into one area.

[Deathraven13]

Originally posted by Xeno Repo:

Imagine if the devs learned of this crazy new invention called "stairs" and the novel concept of builds with, get this, a floor level ABOVE the ground floor level.

Oh wait, no sorry, they actually DO have those in the game but they're too stupid to actually make it to where pals are capable of ever using them so everything has to be crammed into one area.

Pals do use stairs, you just need to have more that one tile space above their head, so make big rooms.

[Sparkiekong]

3 walls tall, 2 stairs wide, usually does ok. put beds, food and spas everywhere so they're not running too far. That's what used to work well for me.... Up until recently I had everything in one base. Whatever they did in the summer content patch made my pals no longer want to go upstairs. they end up getting stuck at the pal box. Now I'm trying to spread stuff out in bases, but I find that to be bleh... it'd be nice if all the non-security token'd inventory went across all the bases.

[indy-anna]

I started building an empty floor then stairs for multiple levels. The pals sleep on the bottom floor and 3 stories up is my small house area with huge empty floor upstairs that's empty. The stairs are outside with no roof.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3294405390
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3294405465
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3294405332

[Soul]

I've got a base that fits everything I need. It's 4 tiles high each floor to stop bigger pals getting stuck and currently has 4 floors, and that's more than enough space, half of those floors are empty at the moment, Made out of glass, looks pretty badass to be honest. Still deciding if I want to add more floors or make some cool roof.

[Soul]

Originally posted by Xeno Repo:

Imagine if the devs learned of this crazy new invention called "stairs" and the novel concept of builds with, get this, a floor level ABOVE the ground floor level.

Oh wait, no sorry, they actually DO have those in the game but they're too stupid to actually make it to where pals are capable of ever using them so everything has to be crammed into one area.

I have 4 floors in my base and it works fine. Seems like it might be the way you're building

[Lithenton]

I get that it's limiting but in my current playthough me and my wife have 3 bases currently and only the first one 'full' at this point - the second is a new WIP and the 3rd is more of an outpost so intentionally small.

I think it ultimately comes down to your design philosophy but I don't really see much of an issue with the general size.

[Ferry]

You gotta make them spacious for now, else yeah they can get stuck

[SotiCoto]

https://www.nexusmods.com/palworld/mods/949
https://www.nexusmods.com/palworld/mods/424

Would be a waste of effort to ask the Devs to change what Mods already have.

[prpl_mage]

You have 2 options really.

1. Specialize your bases, not all bases need to have all things.

2. Build upwards to utilize the space you do have.

For 1, maybe you have one base with all the crafting and basic farming. But no woodcutting or ore mining etc. You could have the grinder wheel thingy since you probably have pals that water there.
The second base could be placed in a good spot with natural resources and then you support that with a wood cutting building and the two ore mining buildings. Just place the chest close to the pal deck. Maybe put in a pen and a milk or egg maker so you don't need to remember to place food there.
Then a third base for whatever you want more of, maybe the breeding thing, maybe more farming, maybe a pen for other materials like water essense, cloth and gold, maybe something else.

For 2, read the advice from previous posters.

[Hellsmoke]

Yeah and as you mentioned, the assembly lines are ridiculous. If there's one thing I hate, it's having to find a place to put those. There are a lot of open spaces designed for building bases but many of them are too small so that the outer part of the circle is outside of the intended area, reducing the space you have to build in even further.

Space is a big issue and I really have no interest in building a tower. So basically you need 3 bases just for the basics, one for resource gathering, one for farming and one for breeding. Then you have to find a place to stuff those huge assembly lines.

The 4th base is reserved for raid bosses because you apparently need to farm those non stop looking at that new shield they added. 30 ancient civilization cubes.

So yes, I agree, we need more space somehow or things like the assembly lines need to be made smaller. I like the first workbench we got, that was the perfect size.

[Echo]

I wound up having to build my base tall, like an apartment complex. Problem for me is both the circular pattern making it hard to fit all the stuff I want, and also the glitches. Pathfinding and rendering all kinda start to give up when there's enough stuff in a base, and I'm guessing that's partially why it's so small to begin with.

My personal tips are as follows:
Each story is 2 walls tall. This accomodates bigger Pals.
Doors are for player-only spaces. A 2-wall tall open space will accomodate the majority of Pals.
Keep all staircases as open as possible. A spiral-staircase design is ideal for saving space, but will be less accessible to larger Pals.
Dedicate each floor to a specific task. This way you effectively get several specialized bases layered on top of eachother, with Pals going to their respective floors.
Keep storage, resource farms (ranch/ore/berry/etc), and the food bowl all on the bottom floor. This resolves the majority of pathfinding issues.

As for rendering, I have a 1070. I already know my PC is the problem.

[Dreams of Fury]

Me and my friends are running 4 bases, a dedicated farm and ranch base dam near on top of each other, our main base that is also our production base, and im currently in the process of setting up a base dedicated to the mines.

We did it this way cause we like to build things too stylish along with each of us getting annoyed at pals getting stuck in strange places too often on multi floors.