Special defense and a speed stat for pals.

[Sam the big Toucan]

I know pals have shot attack, and regular attack, but the defense stat is pretty dull for pals.

Like if there is a pal with 130 defense, then it has like no weakness besides its typing.

For example, for Anubis, his defense is 130 which makes him unbeatable, but since he has that in physical defense, we will give him 75 sp defense.

The special defense in palworld would be called Shot Defense.

There also should be a speed stat for pals to determine who will do thier attack first and how fast they can do it.

OR, they can use the existing movement speed stats to determine who will move first and how fast they can recharge.

For the weaker pals, there should be some support moves they can use. And also, support moves should only be learned by a group of pals with a skill fruit of it who can learn it. Not all of them.


The only thing i mainly want is Shot defense. Its the 1. on this list on what to add.


Still a great game. To simplify my point, I just really want to see all pals and mostly the early game pals to serve a use in battle.

A mod can exist with this, but its not official and it would be counted as cheating.


NOTE: I am NOT asking for tuned based battles. Its just how fast they react and doge the higher the speed stat.


How speed would work: When 2 enemies attack, (one needs to be a pal,) The enemy will be able to attack faster than its other enemy. (they don't politely take tuns.)

But if its other enemy is a player, it will NOT have faster attack time than the player. Instead, it will just be able to dodge more depending on its own speed stat.


But for when its enemy is a pal, depending on who has more speed, and how much more speed, is the chance the can dodge.

Sub-Idea:

The seneraio is like this: Why train chikipi when you can trait jetragon?

So then it should be like this: the weaker the pal, the stronger it can be trained and the higher its IVs can become. Like a Grizzbolt can be trained harder than Shadowbeak.

If the Pal is legendary, it can be barley trained, only has 10 more iv points, and can only have one of them in your party.

If you have an opinion to this, go ahead. State your points please.

Suggestions and thoughts welcome.

[Jesus Christ]

McGoodGreen님이 먼저 게시:

LizrWizr님이 먼저 게시:

Pokemon also had one defence stat for a bit, but when it was split it actually opened up a lot of strategy and build options. What Pal world lacks that pokemon has is that, plus utility and set up moves that play into making a build.

Outside of level 100 comp, Pokemon is a masterclass in turn based strategy and a lot of it can be transferred to real time. The cool down timer on moves instead of PP is a good example of translating it.

I...think the point of Palworld is to take the best aspects of certain games.

It isn't that Palworld devs struggle to translate all of Pokemons mechanics into this game, its that they don't want to.

If they wanted to so closely emulate Pokemon they would have kept the turn based element. They didn't. We got real time action, base defense mechanics, that sort of thing.

Palworld doesn't need to bring more stats into the game because that isn't how the world they made breathes. There are no options to open up with more stats because that isn't the creative direction this beast is going. They don't have to find ways to make turn based combat fresh and interesting because they went a different direction.

My point wasn't to translate it 1:1 but to take notes and approach it the same way.

Pal combat is so flat and boring I just shoot things cause it gets the job done faster. I really honestly wish there was more depth to it and its honestly the weakest part of the game where the entire point is the pals.

[McGoodGreen]

LizrWizr님이 먼저 게시:

McGoodGreen님이 먼저 게시:

I...think the point of Palworld is to take the best aspects of certain games.

It isn't that Palworld devs struggle to translate all of Pokemons mechanics into this game, its that they don't want to.

If they wanted to so closely emulate Pokemon they would have kept the turn based element. They didn't. We got real time action, base defense mechanics, that sort of thing.

Palworld doesn't need to bring more stats into the game because that isn't how the world they made breathes. There are no options to open up with more stats because that isn't the creative direction this beast is going. They don't have to find ways to make turn based combat fresh and interesting because they went a different direction.

My point wasn't to translate it 1:1 but to take notes and approach it the same way.

Pal combat is so flat and boring I just shoot things cause it gets the job done faster. I really honestly wish there was more depth to it and its honestly the weakest part of the game where the entire point is the pals.

Yet another message that, just like the OP, simply sounds like this game isn't for you.

Instead of trying to make early access titles into games you would want to play, find early access games you enjoy.

The direction you and OP want to take things is just plain a different game. Which is fine and valid, but don't try and make a circle into a square.

[Jesus Christ]

McGoodGreen님이 먼저 게시:

LizrWizr님이 먼저 게시:

My point wasn't to translate it 1:1 but to take notes and approach it the same way.

Pal combat is so flat and boring I just shoot things cause it gets the job done faster. I really honestly wish there was more depth to it and its honestly the weakest part of the game where the entire point is the pals.

Yet another message that, just like the OP, simply sounds like this game isn't for you.

Instead of trying to make early access titles into games you would want to play, find early access games you enjoy.

The direction you and OP want to take things is just plain a different game. Which is fine and valid, but don't try and make a circle into a square.

You want to play that game? Okay. Stop trying to stifle criticism and development. If the devs didn't want that, they shouldn't have released into early access and have ways of giving suggestions. Sounds like early access isn't for them.

Listen, if the devs don't want to do it. Fair enough. But you're not one of the devs. A suggestion isn't going to hurt you. It's okay.

[Sam the big Toucan]

PKantos님이 먼저 게시:

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

Please.

If you are looking for discussions to make people upset, or if you don't get my point, may you please go to another discussion? Thanks.

No, I do get what you're saying, I just think its a stupid idea. Literally adds unneeded bloat to a already fine system. If you want a game like Pokemon, go play Pokemon.

Over complicating the stats is a sure way to bore people to death with grinding.
It's already hard enough trying to get the correct Passives and IVs and you want to make it even more complicated by adding 2 extra stats that literally do nothing. The game isn't turn based at all, you don't need to out-speed your opponents moves and defence covers all attacks already.

My goodness you are being annoying. Just go

[Sam the big Toucan]

McGoodGreen님이 먼저 게시:

LizrWizr님이 먼저 게시:

My point wasn't to translate it 1:1 but to take notes and approach it the same way.

Pal combat is so flat and boring I just shoot things cause it gets the job done faster. I really honestly wish there was more depth to it and its honestly the weakest part of the game where the entire point is the pals.

Yet another message that, just like the OP, simply sounds like this game isn't for you.

Instead of trying to make early access titles into games you would want to play, find early access games you enjoy.

The direction you and OP want to take things is just plain a different game. Which is fine and valid, but don't try and make a circle into a square.

Bruh this game is for me. If i played Pokemon. Think!
If i played lots of monster taming games, i would obviously like it.

Plus, If i said this game was great, would the game not be for me? No! Please man. Some of what you are saying doesn't make some sense.

[Sam the big Toucan]

LizrWizr님이 먼저 게시:

McGoodGreen님이 먼저 게시:

I...think the point of Palworld is to take the best aspects of certain games.

It isn't that Palworld devs struggle to translate all of Pokemons mechanics into this game, its that they don't want to.

If they wanted to so closely emulate Pokemon they would have kept the turn based element. They didn't. We got real time action, base defense mechanics, that sort of thing.

Palworld doesn't need to bring more stats into the game because that isn't how the world they made breathes. There are no options to open up with more stats because that isn't the creative direction this beast is going. They don't have to find ways to make turn based combat fresh and interesting because they went a different direction.

My point wasn't to translate it 1:1 but to take notes and approach it the same way.

Pal combat is so flat and boring I just shoot things cause it gets the job done faster. I really honestly wish there was more depth to it and its honestly the weakest part of the game where the entire point is the pals.

The game starts to be a little less fun when you start to realize that all Mid-End game pals just have the same crap: High hp, High, Attack, High Defense, and great trait. Nothing low which can consider it a legendary basically. Only thing that is different is their type.

The game isnt really bad, but it has such a great way to improve it by a far shot.

In PLA, (Pokemon Legends Arecus,) Even a Staraptor can be used for endgame.

[PKantos]

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

PKantos님이 먼저 게시:

No, I do get what you're saying, I just think its a stupid idea. Literally adds unneeded bloat to a already fine system. If you want a game like Pokemon, go play Pokemon.

Over complicating the stats is a sure way to bore people to death with grinding.
It's already hard enough trying to get the correct Passives and IVs and you want to make it even more complicated by adding 2 extra stats that literally do nothing. The game isn't turn based at all, you don't need to out-speed your opponents moves and defence covers all attacks already.

My goodness you are being annoying. Just go

Typical. You cannot take criticism on a clearly silly idea, yet you post to the forums.

[Sam the big Toucan]

Toy Box Heroes님이 먼저 게시:

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

I got frostallion under lv 40 with a hyper sphere. (Not to brag) I have the pals for combat, but it would just ruin the fun.

What are your world setting at? You could just have increased capture rate. I don’t even think Hyper spheres are strong enough to catch a Frostallion even with the stealth bonus. And if your only level 40 your chances would have been even lower.

Edit: Yeah Hyper spheres are no good on a Frostallion. I tried this on normal difficulty. It only worked on a stealth capture. Even then, it was like 0.16 percent and I’m at max level and max effigy level. Weakened it down to 4 health points and the spheres continued to bounce off. So you either were REALLY lucky or had increased capture rate. Heck maybe both.

Back to PvP, you should expect a meta. There always is one. You should expect to see high tier combat pals like Anubis and prepare accordingly. That’s just the way it’s going to be. People want to win so they only use the pals with the best stats and power. Unless your going up against people who just started, I doubt you see something like a Chikipi there.

Pokémon has its own tier lists. Overused tier and all that because those mons are so good. You won’t see a Caterpie knocking out a Mewtwo. So no, I don’t think a Chikipi should be able to beat a Frostallion. They are leagues apart.

Yeah ofc you want see a Caterpie knocking out a Mewtwo because caterpie isn't evolved! Duh!

[Sam the big Toucan]

PKantos님이 먼저 게시:

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

My goodness you are being annoying. Just go

Typical. You cannot take criticism on a clearly silly idea, yet you post to the forums.

1. And you cant just call an idea stupid without like ANY points in your opinion.

2. Plus, stupid is not a great idea to call someones opinion/idea you know.

3. At least like, "its not that great" with some points to support your opinion. Its just bad to not do that.

[Wantoomany]

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

PKantos님이 먼저 게시:

Typical. You cannot take criticism on a clearly silly idea, yet you post to the forums.

And you cant just call an idea stupid without like ANY points in your opinion.

Plus, stupid is not a great idea to call someones opinion/idea you know.

An opinion does not need to be defended or explained. If he thinks your idea is garbage, and I agree with him, he is allowed to have that opinion, and express it, without anything further required.

[Sam the big Toucan]

Wantoomany님이 먼저 게시:

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

And you cant just call an idea stupid without like ANY points in your opinion.

Plus, stupid is not a great idea to call someones opinion/idea you know.

An opinion does not need to be defended or explained. If he thinks your idea is garbage, and I agree with him, he is allowed to have that opinion, and express it, without anything further required.

And that; Having no explanation is truly stupid.
It even makes it obvious that they have ZERO idea what im trying to point out.

[Sam the big Toucan]

PKantos님이 먼저 게시:

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

My goodness you are being annoying. Just go

Typical. You cannot take criticism on a clearly silly idea, yet you post to the forums.

If you are so hungry for discussions like these, go here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1623730/discussions/0/4414173425006638798/

You will love it.

[McGoodGreen]

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

PKantos님이 먼저 게시:

Typical. You cannot take criticism on a clearly silly idea, yet you post to the forums.

1. And you cant just call an idea stupid without like ANY points in your opinion.

2. Plus, stupid is not a great idea to call someones opinion/idea you know.

3. At least like, "its not that great" with some points to support your opinion. Its just bad to not do that.

People have been providing you great explanations. Your ideas are not cohesive or sound.

You even edit your OP to try and make things more clear but...

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

NOTE: I am NOT asking for tuned based battles. Its just how fast they react and doge the higher the speed stat.

There is no way to make the Pals react faster than they already do, it is real time. You are asking for the whole world to slow down or speed up based off of stats they have but that makes no sense.

Run up to a wild critter with slow attack, and what? Does he just stand there until my faster pal attacks? What about me as a human? Will I suddenly need a speed stat or do I still get to shoot my guns as fast as I can react? In which case your suggestions still do nothing to fix your own perceived pal reaction speed problem.

It is hard to get with your ideas or discuss with you when you cannot stand being told you are spouting nonsense that doesn't work and just want to resort to insulting other people.

Get it together mate.

[PKantos]

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

PKantos님이 먼저 게시:

Typical. You cannot take criticism on a clearly silly idea, yet you post to the forums.

1. And you cant just call an idea stupid without like ANY points in your opinion.

2. Plus, stupid is not a great idea to call someones opinion/idea you know.

3. At least like, "its not that great" with some points to support your opinion. Its just bad to not do that.

LOL ok. I literally stated my points to you. take them however you want.

[PKantos]

Mr. Stego님이 먼저 게시:

Wantoomany님이 먼저 게시:

An opinion does not need to be defended or explained. If he thinks your idea is garbage, and I agree with him, he is allowed to have that opinion, and express it, without anything further required.

And that; Having no explanation is truly stupid.
It even makes it obvious that they have ZERO idea what im trying to point out.

I did have an explanation... It is mildly intriguing to me, how offended you are.