Alienware crashed PalWorld multiple times in a day

[thegodofcreation]

I got a brand new Alienware to play PalWorld: 18 inch laptop, nVidia 4080, 32GB RAM, 14th Gen Intel Core i9 14900HX.

It runs PalWorld and initially, crashed the app once every 3, 4 days (I leave it on to farm the tomato, egg, milk, etc). And then it changed into crashing once per day. And now it is crashing multiple times in a day.

Even though it is PalWorld that crashed, but I have had several laptops, and all ran PalWorld without crash. One with a nVidia 3070 also would crash PalWorld once in 2, 3 days. I suspect it is the GPU only running 99% of the time but has 1% of it that is failing, causing the crash. That is, the GPU has a 99% or 99.9% passing rate, but there is a 1% or 0.1% of it that'd malfunction and cause the crash. (I bought these laptops for crypto mining in the past. But those are exe files such that if I don't run it, it would not affect the system).

This new Alienware 18 inch, I only installed Steam and PalWorld on it. (and Google Chrome). I never installed any crypto mining software on it. (GPU mining is kind of dead right now (losing money for the electricity bill)).

I just has a Bellanoir Libero fight and right in the middle, it crashed. I restarted the game and the fight does not restart. The slab is gone, and there is no reward. I had to revert to 2 minutes ago, to 3 minutes ago, to 5 minutes ago, and that's the point I still have the slab and can summon Bellanoir once again. But that's not fun.

I am suspecting it is nVidia or Dell / Alienware that should be responsible for having the issue. Of the 6 laptops I have tried, only 2 has this issue.

I practically only has Steam and PalWorld installed on them. The only other thing I have installed is like Google Chrome and that's it.

I can contact Dell and Alienware, but is afraid they'd kick the soccer and say it is PalWorld's issue, not theirs.

I tried changing nVidia's control panel to Optimus and nVidia GPU only, and the graphics level of PalWorld to high only, or 90Hz or 60Hz, and it'd crash anyway.

The crash window shows: A process has crashed UE-Pal

[Jaquento]

İlk olarak thegodofcreation tarafından gönderildi:

I got a brand new Alienware to play PalWorld: 18 inch laptop, nVidia 4080, 32GB RAM, 14th Gen Intel Core i9 14900HX.

I don't know if laptop CPUs are also affected, but Intel has quite some problems with high end 13th & 14th gen.

[Irene ❤]

İlk olarak thegodofcreation tarafından gönderildi:

it is the GPU only running 99% of the time
I just has a Bellanoir Libero fight

If you can play the game fine till high level and challenge Bellanoir Libero, the software (game) is fine.
You've made multiple topics about alienware. First you claim you have 3070, now you have 4080. Both giving you issues.

Alienware is not a bombastic brand. It's just Dell selling overpriced RGB laptops under a different name. Dell is cheap hardware in mass production. Out of 100 you might get 1 or 2 faulty ones. Schools and workplace often use them and the IT department usually call Dell to exchange hardware if anything broke. Their support is good.

Alienware is usually overclocked. It's ultimately just a laptop which doesn't have any big fan. Monitor the hardware's temperature, try disable overclocking in the program Alienware Command Center. If you fight Bellanoir with 20 pals and all in ultra settings, chances are you're pushing the fan limits. If sometimes it work and sometimes it crash, then it's not any bad software or driver. It's probably the hardware being over stressed, unresponsive for a split second, thus crashing the software.

[thegodofcreation]

İlk olarak Jaquento tarafından gönderildi:

I don't know if laptop CPUs are also affected, but Intel has quite some problems with high end 13th & 14th gen.

I use the beautiful fashion of searching the error message: A process has crashed UE-Pal, and saw some YouTube videos, stating a list of things you can do to try to avoid the crash.

Yup, users doing the work. Like when I work in the software engineering industry, I may ask the coworkers, "how does this work?" and their answers often were "I dunno", "it is what it is". They entered the company by networking, by referral by strangers on forums, and by memorizing answers to LeetCode to "crack" the interviews. Funny thing is, they become the full time employees, and then they hire pretty good elder programmers as contractors and pay them less to do a lot of work. When these elder programmers apply for full time job, they often are not hired because their full time pay is higher. So the company let agency hire them and pay them 2/3 of what the agency gets, and the contractors end up getting less than the fresh grads. (considering the stocks the new grads get, and the 401k match, bonus, vacation, holidays, health insurance, life insurance, dental, vision).

One YouTube video said, go to c:\widnows\Temp and remove all those files, so I rebooted the computer, went to that folder, made a new folder inside it called "do not use" and move most of the files and folders in there. Some files cannot be moved. There also is a folder "Intel" and I am not sure why there is a folder for Intel... supposedly should it be processor agnostic.

Anyway, after I did that, now for 6 hours or so, it didn't crash at all. Otherwise, earlier today, it was crash at least once every two hours.

The state of software engineering these days.

Together with AI when computers may have more control over humans, maybe human race is doomed.

[thegodofcreation]

İlk olarak Irene ❤ tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak thegodofcreation tarafından gönderildi:

it is the GPU only running 99% of the time
I just has a Bellanoir Libero fight

If you can play the game fine till high level and challenge Bellanoir Libero, the software (game) is fine.
You've made multiple topics about alienware. First you claim you have 3070, now you have 4080. Both giving you issues.

Alienware is not a bombastic brand. It's just Dell selling overpriced RGB laptops under a different name. Dell is cheap hardware in mass production. Out of 100 you might get 1 or 2 faulty ones. Schools and workplace often use them and the IT department usually call Dell to exchange hardware if anything broke. Their support is good.

Alienware is usually overclocked. It's ultimately just a laptop which doesn't have any big fan. Monitor the hardware's temperature, try disable overclocking in the program Alienware Command Center. If you fight Bellanoir with 20 pals and all in ultra settings, chances are you're pushing the fan limits. If sometimes it work and sometimes it crash, then it's not any bad software or driver. It's probably the hardware being over stressed, unresponsive for a split second, thus crashing the software.

My PalWorld on a Legion with 3080 never crashed. (I play it using two separate accounts on Steam). The 2, 3 other Alienware with 3070 also never crashed. One other did though.

You mean Alienware "IS" a bombastic brand? (meaning it is just a big name with no big substance)... I thought it is one of the good brands for gaming PC, and that's why Dell bought the company. So if not Alienware, then which one? You don't mean ASUS ROG, Lenovo Legion do you?

Setting the laptop to not overclock is a good advice, I think.

[EM7HydraFox]

İlk olarak thegodofcreation tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Jaquento tarafından gönderildi:

I don't know if laptop CPUs are also affected, but Intel has quite some problems with high end 13th & 14th gen.

I use the beautiful fashion of searching the error message: A process has crashed UE-Pal, and saw some YouTube videos, stating a list of things you can do to try to avoid the crash.

Yup, users doing the work. Like when I work in the software engineering industry, I may ask the coworkers, "how does this work?" and their answers often were "I dunno", "it is what it is". They entered the company by networking, by referral by strangers on forums, and by memorizing answers to LeetCode to "crack" the interviews. Funny thing is, they become the full time employees, and then they hire pretty good elder programmers as contractors and pay them less to do a lot of work. When these elder programmers apply for full time job, they often are not hired because their full time pay is higher. So the company let agency hire them and pay them 2/3 of what the agency gets, and the contractors end up getting less than the fresh grads. (considering the stocks the new grads get, and the 401k match, bonus, vacation, holidays, health insurance, life insurance, dental, vision).

One YouTube video said, go to c:\widnows\Temp and remove all those files, so I rebooted the company, went to that folder, made a new folder inside it called "do not use" and move most of the files and folders in there. Some files cannot be moved. There also is a folder "Intel" and I am not sure why there is a folder for Intel... supposedly should it be processor agnostic.

Anyway, after I did that, now for 6 hours or so, it didn't crash at all. Otherwise, earlier today, it was crash at least once every two hours.

The state of software engineering these days.

Together with AI when computers may have more control over humans, maybe human race is doomed.

Gave a poetry award because I spent 1 minute reading and analyzing this. Very Interesting

[★REM★]

Aurora R15 - 13900KF and 4090. No issue, not a single crash

[thegodofcreation]

İlk olarak ★REM★ tarafından gönderildi:

Aurora R15 - 13900KF and 4090. No issue, not a single crash

right... some of my Alienware laptops with 3070 never crashed... in fact, let me check later, was the one that crashed also Intel... I bought AMD because 3, 4 years ago, AMD processors were considered better, but nowadays it seems Intel is faster, so my newest one with 4080, I chose Intel.

Not sure if Intel is the issue because in c:\windows\Temp there is an Intel folder... after moving most of these temp files away, PalWorld didn't crash any more so far.

[guig]

İlk olarak thegodofcreation tarafından gönderildi:

You mean Alienware "IS" a bombastic brand? (meaning it is just a big name with no big substance)... I thought it is one of the good brands for gaming PC, and that's why Dell bought the company. ...

Nowadays, and moreover within the enginering/gaming industry, being bought is the beginning to being turned into a cash cow. the product may have been good until then, but will deteriorate more and more from now on while the price will go up.

Almost every constructors/developpers fall into that pattern once bought by a competitor (or if you are Nvidia you just did it yourself to yourself)

Blizzard, Capcom, 2K, Namco, Ubisoft, Activision, E.A, Square-Enix, etc... name any of the big companies. they were either bought or bought the other and since it's just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ contents/skins behind more paywalls.

As for constructors: Nvidia, Asus, Dell, Lenovo etc... have all long started the same pattern with hardwares. (and IF some keep the quality for now, the prices just skyrocketted for the same basic things (or because of crypto speculation for Nvidia)).

[thegodofcreation]

İlk olarak Irene ❤ tarafından gönderildi:

Alienware is usually overclocked. It's ultimately just a laptop which doesn't have any big fan. Monitor the hardware's temperature, try disable overclocking in the program Alienware Command Center. If you fight Bellanoir with 20 pals and all in ultra settings, chances are you're pushing the fan limits. If sometimes it work and sometimes it crash, then it's not any bad software or driver. It's probably the hardware being over stressed, unresponsive for a split second, thus crashing the software.

Ok, it crashed again, after about 16 hours...

I went to the Alienware Command Center. It looks like it is like this: it has a Frequently used app list. If I click PalWorld's Customize, I can set it to any of "Balanced", "Performance", or "Overdrive". So it looks like right now it is not overclocked.

But I wonder, do I need to go to the BIOS setting to see any overclock info.

I can also change it to "Balanced" and see... the computer should be able to handle the game even in Balanced mode, but I can't believe I paid top dollars to get a 4080 to make it work like a 3070 or 3080.

[ribeye007]

https://youtu.be/HIubZYwBfPc?si=vvnLw47xGSDUTomT

[Casual Amateur]

Alienware is just title for boost price value for PC/LabTop.

There was few Greek nerd on building PC/LabTop and they also look into Alienware materials to find out it were just any Hardware PC/Labtop that you can buy it from any online website to build your PC/LabTop.

When you can actually can just buy a PC/LabTop for smaller price and work as good as Alienware PC/Labtop or even better then Alienware at the same price.

[thegodofcreation]

İlk olarak Mossy Mushroom tarafından gönderildi:

Alienware is just title for boost price value for PC/LabTop.

There was few Greek nerd on building PC/LabTop and they also look into Alienware materials to find out it were just any Hardware PC/Labtop that you can buy it from any online website to build your PC/LabTop.

When you can actually can just buy a PC/LabTop for smaller price and work as good as Alienware PC/Labtop or even better then Alienware at the same price.

The reason was, back in the old days, I also looked into building my own PC, but it was like: if you get this motherboard, then you have to be careful about if this controller card or whatever card or RAM may have this issue, and to fix it, do this and that and perhaps you have to use something else. So if I save $200, $300 this way, but have to go through the headache of 5 or 10 hours or more... my hourly salary is like $80 to $95, so it is not worth it. My Alienware 18 inch laptop with 4080 and 32GB RAM and the 14th gen Intel chip was like $2400, so it is ok... oh right, it'd be probably very difficult to build my own laptop, as it is so compact. Not to mention integrating the screen, the keyboard, etc.

[thegodofcreation]

OK, now for 36 hours, my PC has not crashed once running PalWolrd. Here seems like the solution:

1. I did move c:\windows\Temp files and folder to a "not used" folder, but not sure if this is the cause

2. Some YouTube video said, some motherboard and BIOS makers make it so that it is over-powering and overclocking the Intel 13th and 14th gen processor so that it is outside of the specs or allowable numbers, and Intel is not too against it, as it gives good numbers, supposedly to defeat AMD. I once read a novel in which people were insane about money and I thought the author exaggerated, only to see it so nowadays. Anyways, I went into the Alienware laptop BIOS, Performance, and didn't see particular Wattage setting, but I saw a bunch of automatically adjusting the power, supposedly to lower the power to save electricity costs. So I just set everything to not auto adjust, so that everything is stable.

So now PalWorld hasn't crashed for 36 hours, vs a couple of days ago, it was crashing every 2 hours.

But note, when I first got the laptop, PalWorld was not crashing until 3, 4 days later, so I have to examine whether it is crashing after 3, 4 days starting today.

[Casual Amateur]

İlk olarak thegodofcreation tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Mossy Mushroom tarafından gönderildi:

Alienware is just title for boost price value for PC/LabTop.

There was few Greek nerd on building PC/LabTop and they also look into Alienware materials to find out it were just any Hardware PC/Labtop that you can buy it from any online website to build your PC/LabTop.

When you can actually can just buy a PC/LabTop for smaller price and work as good as Alienware PC/Labtop or even better then Alienware at the same price.

The reason was, back in the old days, I also looked into building my own PC, but it was like: if you get this motherboard, then you have to be careful about if this controller card or whatever card or RAM may have this issue, and to fix it, do this and that and perhaps you have to use something else. So if I save $200, $300 this way, but have to go through the headache of 5 or 10 hours or more... my hourly salary is like $80 to $95, so it is not worth it. My Alienware 18 inch laptop with 4080 and 32GB RAM and the 14th gen Intel chip was like $2400, so it is ok... oh right, it'd be probably very difficult to build my own laptop, as it is so compact. Not to mention integrating the screen, the keyboard, etc.

I do remember that my bother do find a website that tell some thing is compatible to or not compatible to this mother board. But that was so long ago. Like 15 years ago.

Unless you super lazy. You can always buy one that is already been build for cheaper then Alienware. Simple as that.

[thegodofcreation]

İlk olarak Mossy Mushroom tarafından gönderildi:

You can always buy one that is already been build for cheaper then Alienware. Simple as that.

Why don't you make your own motherboard as well. To me, a few hours of my time is easily worth $500 already. So to save $500 and introduce a few hours of headache, isn't a good solution for me, simple as that.