Pirated copies are part of the huge cheating problem

[fkr]

If you didn't know pirated copies of the game palworld right now, as the game is, are being able to play online.

Add some kind of drm and a solid anti-cheat like EAC (OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE) and you will see the problem almost disappering. That s the truth.
We cant have nice things

[fkr]

Dude you dont know what are you talking about.

As it is right now only one person in the cracking community has the skills to crack denuvo but she/he wont do ♥♥♥♥ unless get paid lots of $$, and rightfully so.

Older version of denuvo have been cracked yes (By the same person i might add) but that feat is nothing compared to what they v been using right now.

Denuvo is the most usefull tool to counter piracvy as today, if you had some knowledge about the argument you wouldnt talk out of your ass.

Get a better hardware.

[Deathraven13]

I've encountered no cheaters so far.

[The_Outsider]

If DRM is added I will be refunding this game.

[fkr]

Originally posted by The_Outsider:

If DRM is added I will be refunding this game.

We are just speculating dude, they need to add an anti cheat first and see if pirated copies can keep playing in the same listed server as ours buyers.

Anyway you know after 15 days you arent elegible for a refund anymore? Doesn't matter if you didn't pass the 3 hours.

[Higuera]

Originally posted by meh:

If you didn't know pirated copies of the game palworld right now, as the game is, are being able to play online.

Add some kind of drm and a solid anti-cheat like EAC and you will see the problem almost disappering. That s the truth.
We cant have nice things

DRM is cringe and should never be added to games, unless you like bloatware that pirates will literally just remove (and make piracy more appealing to legitimate customers as well)

Literal Malware in some cases too, actually...

[Higuera]

Originally posted by Gasboy:

As long as the pirates are getting a better experience than people who have legit purchased the game, piracy will continue to exist.

And in cases like Spore (2008)'s release date, Piracy WAS the best way to play it, considering the absurd overbearing DRM which made actually playing your purchased game a pain if not impossible when it launched...

Gabe's words about Piracy ARE pretty much still true even today. Especially when the developers treat them nicely rather than like they're the devil :V

[fkr]

You guys live in a fantasy where get rid of a drm like denuvo is some kind of an easy feat, ahah. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ not.

Tell me one of the newer games with a drm that have been succesfully being pirated right now? None

Guess what, Lies of P got rid of the drm yesterday i think. You never heard user lamenting about performances in that game, probably u didnt know it had one too and most likely a cracked version is already out by now.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by ✠Tommy✠:

Originally posted by meh:

Dont waste time brother, dude's just a pirating apologist and he's ok even with cheating, immagine that.



Press X to doubt.





Amazing

Yes do press X to doubt as it was proven years ago that drm like denuvo does nothing besides making games run worse for the paid user

The ppaid user whom happens to be under syst requirements..

Thats the usual audiance that complaints about DRM.

Same happens on Monster Hunter yet when I played when I was just about requirements,

Sorry, but your proof is a select few examples of non optimised games.

[Higuera]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Wether you 'pirate' for 'demo use' or wether you pirate, either way is wrong.

It does take away sales from companys. I dont know what makes you think pirating games doesnt take sales? Everything pirated is a potential sale lost because people didnt pay for a product.

Also, DRM has been discussed to deat, and in most causes, DRM doesnt actually generally cause performance drop on games.

Yes, I know, You're gonna mention Denuvo now.


Maybe stop buying potatoe PC's.

Also 1.5 million sales across 7 years is incredible bad. You also have to take into account that discount sales are a thing. This game litterally had its first 40% sale only 3-4 months after release and has been on sale almost every month.

So many godawful points:
It does not take away sales, infact, being a hardass about Piracy WILL be what tanks sales.

Pirates either:
Never intended on buying the game, and even if you took the download away, they'll just say "eh, i dont care enough" and go play something else.
or
Intended to try it out before buying, and the game itself (and often the Dev's behavior) determine if they just uninstall or cough up the money.

Companies will never lose a potential sale unless the game relies on basically lying to you, hiding the fact it's crap, or the developers themselves are awful people.

"in most cases", i'd love to see your source.

"Maybe stop buying potatoe PC's." or maybe they should optimize their games, and be less sloppy? And the DRM, it probably doesnt need rootkit access either like a virus...



Hell, you want to see a PRIME example of "DRM loses sales" to the extreme? Spore (2008), literally the D Day of DRM.

It launched to a horrifyingly absurd DRM that limited you to X amount of machines per install (changing any part counted as an additional install), and one you ran out of your 3(?) allotted, you'd have to beg EA Support to get any more. Additionally you needed to go online/log in every few days, or the game would lock you out til you did.

To sum up a few parts of the issues.

And in general, Needless Online Only is dumb and should be removed, period.

[fkr]

Dude you cant compare software from 2008 to ones that are being used in 2024.

Most people dont even fkn know what spore is by now

[LordAziki]

The best way to fight against piracy is for developers to look at what pirates are doing and implement checks for it, the same way some Megadrive games would try writing to SRAM and crash if it succeeded because that meant game copies were pirated. No non-functional scam that claims it protects games, no dips under 10 fps with dual 2040s, no legit players getting banned for false positives.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Higuera:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Wether you 'pirate' for 'demo use' or wether you pirate, either way is wrong.

It does take away sales from companys. I dont know what makes you think pirating games doesnt take sales? Everything pirated is a potential sale lost because people didnt pay for a product.

Also, DRM has been discussed to deat, and in most causes, DRM doesnt actually generally cause performance drop on games.

Yes, I know, You're gonna mention Denuvo now.


Maybe stop buying potatoe PC's.

Also 1.5 million sales across 7 years is incredible bad. You also have to take into account that discount sales are a thing. This game litterally had its first 40% sale only 3-4 months after release and has been on sale almost every month.

So many godawful points:
It does not take away sales, infact, being a hardass about Piracy WILL be what tanks sales.

Pirates either:
Never intended on buying the game, and even if you took the download away, they'll just say "eh, i dont care enough" and go play something else.
or
Intended to try it out before buying, and the game itself (and often the Dev's behavior) determine if they just uninstall or cough up the money.

Companies will never lose a potential sale unless the game relies on basically lying to you, hiding the fact it's crap, or the developers themselves are awful people.

"in most cases", i'd love to see your source.

"Maybe stop buying potatoe PC's." or maybe they should optimize their games, and be less sloppy? And the DRM, it probably doesnt need rootkit access either like a virus...



Hell, you want to see a PRIME example of "DRM loses sales" to the extreme? Spore (2008), literally the D Day of DRM.

It launched to a horrifyingly absurd DRM that limited you to X amount of machines per install (changing any part counted as an additional install), and one you ran out of your 3(?) allotted, you'd have to beg EA Support to get any more. Additionally you needed to go online/log in every few days, or the game would lock you out til you did.

To sum up a few parts of the issues.

And in general, Needless Online Only is dumb and should be removed, period.

But we are talking about performance. Not about limited install DRMs.

[Higuera]

Originally posted by meh:

Dude you cant compare software from 2008 to ones that are being used in 2024.

Most people dont even fkn know what spore is by now

It's the most horrid example of DRM, combining the Product Keys of the 2000s with the Online Only of Modern DRMs.

It's easier to crack, sure. But even then it'd absolutely pose either "crack or dont play" until that nonsense got pulled back well after the game's initial sales were ruined by it.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Higuera:

Originally posted by meh:

Dude you cant compare software from 2008 to ones that are being used in 2024.

Most people dont even fkn know what spore is by now

It's the most horrid example of DRM, combining the Product Keys of the 2000s with the Online Only of Modern DRMs.

It's easier to crack, sure. But even then it'd absolutely pose either "crack or dont play" until that nonsense got pulled back well after the game's initial sales were ruined by it.

Securom didnt affect performance.

All it did was affect the number of copys you where abel to have actived at one time on multiple devices.

What was the problem is the fact that Securom didnt uninstall after you uninstalled it and the fact it wasnt listed on the box.


But blame securom for affecting performance? Hell naw. Securom did nto do that. I own the disc version and to this dated everytime I install it, I just dont have problem, and thats not an updated version of the game because you dont require third party app for that.(steam or origin).

Do you even know what securom does? It wasnt btw first used in the 2000's.

Btw, what is the difference between playing a video game on steam, and installing a game from disc (as old times) that required a single activation in time when internet is widespread available contrairy to how Securom used to handle just being disc checks?

You should think about this.

[Le fishe au chocolat]

Well they can add everything except Devuno.