Palworld / 幻兽帕鲁

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The Dannister 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 7:07
Is it just me or are the players far too weak?
I had a rather heated argument with a friend earlier about the players weapons being unbelievably weak compared to basically any pal ability, also how the player simply can not take a hit at all. Something is seriously wrong when a lv 5 wild pal can down the player with 2-3 attacks even though the player is lv 17 while equal level wild pals literally 1hit kill you. Of course my own pals can tank hits like a champ, but not me.

I was expecting this to be a pokemon-like game where I get to fight alongside my pal, not just sit there and have the pal do all the fighting for me. I wanted to be an active participant in battles, not just be a spectator.... but the more I play, the more this seems to be just a pokemon game with real-time combat and base building where the player is not allowed to participate in battles beyond switching pals in and out and occasionally throwing balls at something to capture it without risking instant death.
....which then made me think: Why give me weapons/dodging at all if I am not allowed to use them to any reasonable effect?

Am I missing something or is this really how it is?
最后由 The Dannister 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 7:09
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SHOKKERZ91 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:16 
It's just you OP, i felt plenty powerfull and tanky. Then again, i have a proper build.
Shizmoo 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:17 
Because you dont know how to build a character. There are pals that boost your attack damage and even change the attack type on top of legendary versions of weapons. The pals do high damage but they are on a cooldown while you can spam damage
The Dannister 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:17 
To clarify - this thread has never been about whether or not I am able to avoid any attacks. This is about raw damage numbers, and how the player is by default severely under-powered compared to pals.

And for others, all this talk I see about the **proper build** seems to boil down to- Legendary gear. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
And if that is not it, what is it then? Because so far I have no idea what this **proper build** is in the slightest beyond the use of legendary gear.... which is something I don't have access to yet.
Do I have to give up all of my stat points just to pump them into attack and a little bit of stam and not be able to do anything else at all? You know, such as collect materials for the base building aspect of the game which is the other half of the game.

引用自 lumina
You are doing something wrong because I'm lvl 30 now and I rarely even pull my pals out in normal fights, as I don't want them killing enemies I"m trying to capture. I use them in boss fights though as they are very good. You really shouldn't be having trouble with most anything at lvl 20 though. Use the dodge key, it avoids even those AOE attacks. They designed the entire games combat around that key, so you better get used to it.

And you need to craft. A crossbow takes down most on level enemies pretty easily. I recently switched to a legendary old bow because it's faster, though slightly weaker.

Edit: All enemies have 2-3 attacks. You should be looking to catch 10+ of each. So it's just a matter of learning their rotation of attacks, which are always 100% the same order for the same pal types.

Please explain how -with default world settings- is my rare crossbow only barely tickling the wild pals at my level, while my own pals actually do proper damage to them?

Now that I tweaked the world settings, I am actually doing reasonable damage.
shmodzilla 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:18 
引用自 SHOKKERZ91
It's just you OP, i felt plenty powerfull and tanky. Then again, i have a proper build.
I do as well and most of my stat points went to carry weight. I just started my HP at level 35.
Noeat 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:19 
引用自 shmodzilla
引用自 Xersin
People in here saying that players are weak obviously have not invested into actual attack stats and builds. Every single level you put into Attack is a raw 2% increase in damage. This gets modified by accessories and the Vanguard skill, as well as things like the Gobfin Partner skills. This is then multiplied, NOT ADDED, to the weapon's damage. You can also add the elemental, or headshot damage buffs from riding/using an active Pal with those buffs.

If you feel "weak", it's because your build is not designed for player combat. Focus on buffing your damage with skills, accessories, and stats.
Yeah im not sure what theyre talking about at all. Either they screwed something up in settings or their doing it all wrong. Ours is on hard and other than a few battles i honestly thought the games too easy. My first big capture the other day was the Anibus boss and it took ten minutes but i never got a scratch on me or lost a pal. Hes level 4 and i was 35. This is my first game like this so at 51 years old and a first timer if i figured it out.....
tbh: as a oldschool gamer.. you have eperience with beginning of gaming on Atari, or Z Spectrum and so... then Amiga and first PC games... and it was much more "roough" and without internet ppl need find all on their own... now in this days are players usually handholded... thats why they struggle with any even smallest challenge.
and ofc.. i dont know if you, but i have experience with game coin up machines what were usually set to pretty high difficulty to get as much money is possible from kids :) ..when you want to enjoy your money, you should be good :)
Gargoyle Girl 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:20 
引用自 Noeat
引用自 Zordiark Darkeater

Allready explained it. but say it again
"Proper" Builds should make you stronger not make you Viable at all.
like this onetap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-zZoaUhWgw

dont get me wrong, but what about you LEARN TO PLAY and only after that you will make some claims? do you agree?

OOF.

So if they haven't learned to do the absolute maximum damage, they don't know how to play?

Also in that video this guy has done over 1000 hours of farming, selective breeding and pal ranking to lvl 5 to get the boosts required to do the damage he's doing in those videos (yes I watched it; I get the feeling you haven't). He has 4 rank 5 gobfins, all with Vanguard on them. You claim to 'know how to play the game'; how many gobfins does that take to achieve, and then also have them all with Vanguard? Easy right? Just a small bit of time and effort.

He also farmed lvl 2-3 attack pendants and the legendary rocket launcher in the arctic zone for who knows how long.

So. In your opinion, if someone hasn't played the game ad nauseum, for hundreds of hours, farming hundreds of pals and combining them, then farmed to the point of that guy in that video even saying it was 'kinda ridiculous' to get special items, they haven't learned how to play yet, huh? Maybe stop insulting people just to prove you're right.
1Erik1 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:22 
You are a human in a world of monsters. The npcs themselves mention how careful you gotta be and how you need to rely on pals.

So do it like a human would. Don't put yourself in front and if you do only against weak pals or with more advanced armor that can take harder hits and if you want to survive even harder stuff you need appropiate schematics for even better stuff and accessories bundled with pals who can buff you.

Or you just learn how to put yourself out of harms way with appropiate pals who can deal with what you throw at them.
Pay Child Suport 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:28 
引用自 Noeat
引用自 Tentacle Grape
its way worse than that.

you know how much conversion it takes to create a rocket launcher ammo? all that for a measly 300-ish damage to astegon.

the bullets too. 1 damage, 150 gold.

definitely not worth it.
how much dmg did you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-zZoaUhWgw

300 damage. I was 48 when I launched that at him.
Noeat 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:30 
引用自 Gargoyle Girl
引用自 Noeat
like this onetap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-zZoaUhWgw

dont get me wrong, but what about you LEARN TO PLAY and only after that you will make some claims? do you agree?

OOF.

So if they haven't learned to do the absolute maximum damage, they don't know how to play?
point is in understanding game mechanics.. thats learning to play
it is not only about push "W" to move forward
but also about "thisd and this bost your damage agains this" and thats how you can stack it.
you need learn and understand how it works...
without that knowledge you will have weapon what look powerfull and you will do almost none dmg... because you dont use game mechanics what you didnt learn about. therefore it cant work.

in some games is this pretty comple... like in some MMOs, where you (or any ppl) are testing stuff how it works, datamine it and make some guides related to theorycraft about those game mechanics.

lets say that you need beat some enemy. you take weapon and attack it.. and it did nothing at all... or very small damage.
but when you know that Attack stat boost your damage and that enemy is vulnerable to water element and on speciffic type of weapon and specific type of attacks, then you can take proper weapon, boost it as much as you can by water element and then, when you attack, it will do much more damage than before.

that difference is because you learned game mechanics and understand how they works.

and thats why ppl need learn to play
or at least use guides what tell them what to do, if they want.

it is about using game mechanicsa. if you dont know how to use them or even dont know about them, then you cant be effective.
Rhyono 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:35 
Whether it's a balancing issue or not: it seems accurate that these creatures are more suited to combat than humans. Aside from Ash, not too many Pokemon trainers will get in a fist fight with a Machamp.
Fistraiser 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:48 
引用自 Zordiark Darkeater
引用自 Noeat
let me guess.. you was never fan of any minmaxing, right?
did you played some MMO, where was proper build really, really important?

i mean World of Warcraft is decent eample...
you are doing some damage thru whole game, but you NEED proper build for endgame, weapons only dont do that for you.

I grown up on wow and on MMOs on general. Not playing them anymore outside of FF14.
i mean thats probably half your problem.you play ff14.while that game used to be challenging many years ago,the last 2 expansions every job has been turned so incredibly linear and OP you barely need to think for yourself.
its now catered towards people who spend the whole day afking and roleplaying in cities who dont know how to play video games.
palworld is much more open in terms of character builds where as ff14 jobs there is literally only one way you can play the job.and generally only one build thats viable.
In palworld if you want to focus on a player orientated build you should still be looking at the pals passives in party.you dont need to have them fight but the passives can buff your character.
2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:50 
skill issue, legendary ar melts
vaanomega 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:54 
i feel like weapons with normal damge multiplier to be fine, you do almost as much dps as your pals depending on the rarity of the gun
Rokkan 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:57 
A streamer just did a boss run with an assault rifle, fire arrows, poison arrows, and the eagle pal for gliding, with no active pal in combat

Your argument is invalid
Moodyman90 2024 年 2 月 12 日 上午 9:02 
Check your game settings. Played up to near level 40 and felt weak even against level 20 pals by myself. Turned out for some reason I was only doing half damage (.5 damage to enemies) and was taking quad damage (4 damage taken by enemies). Switched both to just a flat 1, so I dealt full damage and took only regular damage and things got a lot better.

The player under normal circumstances aren't meant to be powerhouses, but there are ways in game to boost damage and all that, but that requires proper pal use.
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