Jetragon passive chances

[Smartik1]

So...I'm at 71 Jetragons now, most through breeding, and I have exactly:

0x Nimble
0x Runner
0x Swift

It's virtually impossible to get anything useful on this thing. For 95% of my playthrough all I ever wanted was for breeding to keep the damn stats of the parents instead of giving me random bs. Now that I breed Jetragons which can't combine with anything else, it does the opposite, just repeatedly giving me components of the parents and hardly anything extra.

[Princess_Daystar]

Originally posted by Smartik1:

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

It's random right? or do I have to do incest too :erune:

"Random". I am sensing a pattern. If you have very few traits on parents, you keep getting the same traits over and over. The moment you have more or if the total exceeds 4, you get complete random garbage you didn't even have.

Needless to say, I'm at 143 and still don't have dmg one or speed one done.

accurate. tried breeding a pair of 4 and 4 cause i wanted one of the traits moved over and instead i kept getting random junk not present on either parent. Took some 72 tries or so before getting it.

[Irene ❤]

Got it done today.
https://i.imgur.com/jqB6XNX.png

It didn't gave me 4 random stats all the time. It feels like this :
- Medium Chance of inheriting stat from parent
- Small Chance to add / delete 1 stat slot
- Small Chance to randomize 1 stat

Incest is needed until you get to mate a pair with 3 stats.
Legend + Runner + Nimble + (1 random)
Legend + Runner + Swift + (1 random)

Also at level 50 it seems to improve chance of getting all 4 stat slots.

[rage]

Took me the weekend to get this

https://gyazo.com/89d3a70deaea94006d72a806fbca896a caught felt pretty good super broken. Yet to level him up but it took a while getting used to the flight speed.

[Shrub]

I'm just going to leave this here

[sh3riff]

its rng .. i always breed perfect pals
sometimes it takes 50, sometimes it takes 300 .. rarely 1000 .. like jetragon

breed till you remove the DIVINE DRAGON, keep only legendary .. at least i did .. i have legendary, runner, swift, nimble .. probably overkill if there is maximum speed but dont care
breed LEGENDARY until you get second trait you want .. swap them

if it has mix traits .. like one yes and second no .. dont use it, keep it if you cant find anything in another 10-20 tries .. swap it
but its better to have only the traits you want .. anything else makes more mess, more chances

its like simple math ..
1x1=1
2x1= 2
2x2=4

but its actually more .. its bit complicated but its better to breed with only traits you want, kinda better chances for better results .. but thats just my feeling

if i get nothing else in 20-30 tries, i swap them for the one that has the second trait i want, but also some other i dont want .. noticed its kinda better to have wrong traits, like red one, than some gold one .. like ferocious .. seems like this trait has way higher chance to copy than others like runner etc
i am trying to avoid some positive traits and rather use negative trait or some weak white one cuz it feels its easier to get rid of it .. but again, just a feeling .. noticed that conceit trait also have very high chance of transfering ..

it took me over 1000 tries before i get my dragon .. its just random

[Smartik1]

Originally posted by Shrub:

I'm just going to leave this here

Thanks for that, wish I saw this before having figured out the same thing after like 100 attempts :)

[SHOKKERZ91]

Jormuntide Ignis is just as bad as Jetragon to breed. Well atleast you can catch a metric fkton of them in Sanctuary 2.

[Smartik1]

Originally posted by Shrub:

I'm just going to leave this here

Update: That video doesn't work at all. Looks like as of today all the logic is upside down again. My 3+1 produce the right thing a lot. My 2+2 that are supposed to be 66% chance produce completely random garbage for 30 tries now.

The game is just inconsistent as hell. The moment you think there is a pattern, everything changes.

[protoka]

140 Jetragons to finally get musclehead/ferocious/legend/divine dragon.
I got 8 with ferocious/legend/divine dragon/MMMMMMMMMMMMMotivational leader.
The game was hard trolling me...

[Red riding hood the third]

i got nimble, runner, musclehead, ferocious, burly body and no swift. we're all just screwed by rng

[Shrub]

Originally posted by Smartik1:

Originally posted by Shrub:

I'm just going to leave this here

Update: That video doesn't work at all. Looks like as of today all the logic is upside down again. My 3+1 produce the right thing a lot. My 2+2 that are supposed to be 66% chance produce completely random garbage for 30 tries now.

The game is just inconsistent as hell. The moment you think there is a pattern, everything changes.

Austin's video was slightly flawed (More accurate video HERE), but we have the percentages of how likely each passive will be inherited with each additional roll being unlikely, as well as another chance for mutations if inheritance fails.

To iterate from the video -

Originally posted by RageGamingVideos:

If you're trying to pass down passive skills from two parents both with the same four skills you have a 50% chance of one trait being passed down from one of the parents, but only a 6% chance of all four traits transferring...

... If each parent has two separate desired passive skills... this method instead has a 66% chance of having a single one of the [passive skills] passed down but a whopping just under 20% of all four passives which is just under 1/5 that's way better

idk I feel like a sloppy RNG mutation session while utilizing an unrealistically massive breeding farm is more efficient considering I gotta go grind exp on bosses anyways.

[Prinny]

I changed the pal appearance settings to 2.
which makes 2 jetragon appear instead of 1 when they spawn. (more than that is pure suicide when you don't have frostallion. even then it's hard.)
they spawn on the morning, every day, (in game day)
I also changed the day and night speed to 2,5 and 5 respectively. So I would get enough time to battle them in order to catch them (2% at full HP is not enough lol. need at least 70% hp to get over 20% chance)

I was at 542 when I caught my swift-runner Jetragon. The only mod I used was "Pal analyzer" which lets you see the passives of the pal before catching it if you caught at least 10 of them. Saved me a number of legendary ball and time.

If you don't mind more "cheaty" mods, there's one that respawns the boss, and one that allow world setting to go up to 1000. so you could get x1000 catch rate. I didn't use them, but they caught my eye near the 300th Jetragon. I was tempted, to say the least. I ended up only getting Pal Analyzer near the end because I was starting to get irritated.

And you know what happened?
I jsut made a new game! Yeah! Screw that 600+ days game! I'm not catching more than 117 no matter what happens, of any pals. In fact, I'm only gonna breed them now, it'll be faster and easier. cost a lot less resource too. Who needs a Jetragon that goes so fast nothing can load properly anymore? who need a Jetragon that is perfect but can't fit anywhere.
Sure, the 22k HP is alluring. But the speed is too much. it's already faster than anything else BEFORE swift or runner is added. You can't use weapon while mounted, so focus on the attack? for the missile. You're never gonna get hit regardless thanks to the speed and acceleration on that thing. it's not floaty either (like Frostallion. lol that thing slide out of control constantly).
So... remove the dragon damage boosting trait, lose the HP buff... gain back your damage output. If you're SUPER lucky you can even get "lucky" as a trait... but don't put hope into that. In all my attempt I haven't seen a single Lucky jetragon. and you can't breed Lucky into a Jetragon with another pal. jetragon only comes from two jetragon.
Cut down the size so you can fit between trees or inside dungeon, put Burly Body if you feel like it... Just make sure you have Musclehead and Ferocious (which you can get randomly and then keep,) just don't forget to keep Legend. the fourth slot is up to you but I do suggest either Burly Body or Diet Lover. With only Legend, this things is faster than any other flying mount with swift and runner on them.

Also, breeding for new or same traits is easier than most of you seems to think.
From two pals with NO passive, I got exactly what I wanted before the 100th egg, every time. And you need 1 + 116 sacrifice to upgrade it to rank 5.
IV are kept from either or both parents. so any legendary couple would ALWAYS have 50 or more in all of the IV stats. Sometime it takes one of each, sometime it take all from one. it's almost never random. you'll never get a jetragon with less than 50 IV anywhere. they got this flag, see, that they always spawn with at least 50. all boss/legend do so. so go ahead and breed to your heart's content. even if they both have the basic 2 passive they always spawn with, you can easily get Musclehead and Ferocious... those appear quite easily. You might even get a random Artisan for no reason lol.

[Shrub]

You hit my same conclusions Prinny. Just mass-breed and call it a day.

I've recently started to use a pal analyzer mod that is always on and noted, even while observing for traits casually, I never really found that 'ideal pal'

But if I force mutations to occur in eggs, I can very easily get what I want through RNG and we 'have' to condense the pals anyways so might as well gamble for the best pal.

The only alternative would be resetting bosses but I've done this (leave and reenter area resets all stats and passives) and your odds are... well, this is the 3rd day of no-lifeing it and I still haven't found even an ideal pal.

And again correct on pal IV's - Every lucky / alpha pal will have at minimum 50 IV with a seemingly random sum (50/50/50/50 ~ 100/100/100/100) with the worst pal I've seen having 3 55 IVs and the best having 2 perfect IVs.

So basically I've been tossing the best IV pals I had with whatever and I typically get a great pal pretty quick, it just cost me a multi-tiered towering fortress of egg capsules.

[1 Lonely Cigarette]

An alternative to consider would to be go to Jetdragon and eye its movement speed. If its not fast then fly out a distance until it resets as it will reset its passives plus stats.