To those who say "Sue!"

[Donald j. Trump]

I doubt you will get your wish. Other forms off direct rip offs exist. Nintendo is not going to sue.

Moreover do you really think Steam is going to sell something like this with the chance of legal action?

I am even more surprised that there is such vitriol for this game. Are you hating this type of game in general or do you hate anything that competes with pokemon? Are you just litigious?

And finally, with all the copies sold I am sure that they can just pay off Nintendo.

Such and odd thing to be upset over. Virtue signaling for a mutilmillion maybe even mutlibillion dollar company.

[Scuzz Missile]

Just a small remindment: Pokemon is a cheap and totally broken Dragon Quest rip-off
(Digimon is better HEHEHAHA)

[SoloQ]

It all stems from a deluded fantasy that one day they'll come up with a billion dollar idea and can sue anyone out of existence that tries to make a product similar to theirs.
So seeing a game that so closely resembles a multibillion dollar gaming franchise, they're not happy that it can't be sued out of existence. Even more infuriating to them is that the game actually made money. And they see that as money "stolen" from Pokemon. Or in their mind it's potentially money stolen from them and their non-existent billion dollar company.

[Zinkr7x]

Wolfguarde の投稿を引用：

Dark の投稿を引用：

If Nintendo where smart they would just let Palworld runs its course and make their own Pokemon game with the exact same formula. Ride the wave as it were.

If nintendo was smart, they'd have made something using Palworld's mechanical formula anytime starting from around 20 years ago.

Generation 4 should have had dynamic combat, and open world play should have been at most 1-2 generations after. Laziness is their only excuse for not claiming this market share much, much earlier in their niche's life cycle.

Open world before they even left the 3DS? That was before Open world games even exploded, that would have been a game far ahead of its time. Wouldn't have been been bad, but like completely unrealistic. Gen 8 is when they should have moved to something more like Palworld, but tbh, Pokemon is and always has been a RPG, they shouldn't step out of that zone, that's what people like. There's still obvious notes they could take from Palworld.

[NoctiluxArcana]

bishop6363 の投稿を引用：

Are you an attorney who works frequently with copy right infringement? Cause I want to trust you, but I am suspicious. Tell is more of you accreditation as you present such a well thought out post.

Nintendo and Pocket Pair are both Japan based companies. There are no international laws to be worried about. It is not like America vs Russia, or America vs China, etc etc.

Japan also do not have fair use laws. Fair use law can generally be understood as: "copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work. Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner."

Even if Palworld was to be considered a parody of pokemon, in that case it would be transformative, it would hold no ground in Japan and Nintendo would easily win a lawsuit against Pocket Pair.

We also know that Nintendo is an extremely litigious corporation. They will drag you into court for even the most minor of thing if their legal team sees a possibility to win it. It has happened to lets players and modders.

With all of that information, let me continue.

Palworld was announced two years ago, where they already displayed the intentions and creations;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqTJFhbo9zY&ab_channel=Gematsu

hell, it may even have been announced before that.

Already then, if Nintendo could, they would have put a foot down and went after Palworld.

That said, I am just a layman, I have not passed any bar examination, I am not studying law. I am just going by what I know of the law in Japan, and Nintendo's history. I assume that Nintendo's legal team have not found any grounds for suing.

[bishop6363]

This is about the most honest input in this thread- "That said, I am just a layman, I have not passed any bar examination, I am not studying law. I am just going by what I know of the law in Japan," Tempered response to an interesting notion. Well done - slow clap clap clap but your fatal mistake was this > " I assume that Nintendo's legal team have not found any grounds for suing." There is no basis for assuming this. Litigation takes month to prepare and years to resolve. It may already be in the works. We wont know till we know.

[Wolfguarde]

Zinkr7x の投稿を引用：

Wolfguarde の投稿を引用：

If nintendo was smart, they'd have made something using Palworld's mechanical formula anytime starting from around 20 years ago.

Generation 4 should have had dynamic combat, and open world play should have been at most 1-2 generations after. Laziness is their only excuse for not claiming this market share much, much earlier in their niche's life cycle.

Open world before they even left the 3DS? That was before Open world games even exploded, that would have been a game far ahead of its time. Wouldn't have been been bad, but like completely unrealistic. Gen 8 is when they should have moved to something more like Palworld, but tbh, Pokemon is and always has been a RPG, they shouldn't step out of that zone, that's what people like. There's still obvious notes they could take from Palworld.

See, that heavy lean on the gameboy games is, in my eyes, part of the problem. Their early forays into primary console games didn't really bring anything people weren't already getting from the gameboy games besides better graphics, which is why they never really took off the same way. We had Ocarina of Time on the same cartidges that pokemon stadium shipped on; open world was absolutely possible back then. And they could 100% have stayed in the RPG lane while still producing an open world game with dynamic combat between pokemon.

The primary mechanical notes that make Palworld such an effective counterplay to pokemon are dynamic combat and being marketed explicitly toward an adult audience. A non trivial portion of pokemon's fanbase has been waiting with increasing irritation for a dynamic combat pokemon game that isn't made for children. Imagine what kind of games we could be playing by this point if nintendo had funnelled some of their immense gains from the pokemon games into actually developing a parallel generational series of open-world adventure RPGs where your pokemon can fight without your input. That potential is there; it always has been. They just never chose to explore it, despite the clear and persistent demand for them to do so.

Even if they hadn't gone open-world quite so early, dynamic combat is still something they could have made even token forays into outside of rumble if they had any interest in innovating on an excellent but largely stagnant niche, whose already absurd profit potential could be further compounded with the addition of a new dimension of play.

[Hatchero]

I think Nintendo will likely make a "ripoff" of Palworlds adding its maybe 1000 Pokemon to the game and both games will flourish and grow off of each other.

[Zalzany]

Zinkr7x の投稿を引用：

Wolfguarde の投稿を引用：

If nintendo was smart, they'd have made something using Palworld's mechanical formula anytime starting from around 20 years ago.

Generation 4 should have had dynamic combat, and open world play should have been at most 1-2 generations after. Laziness is their only excuse for not claiming this market share much, much earlier in their niche's life cycle.

Open world before they even left the 3DS? That was before Open world games even exploded, that would have been a game far ahead of its time. Wouldn't have been been bad, but like completely unrealistic. Gen 8 is when they should have moved to something more like Palworld, but tbh, Pokemon is and always has been a RPG, they shouldn't step out of that zone, that's what people like. There's still obvious notes they could take from Palworld.

Yawn nope none them really been open world you had 3d but it was heavily scripted for a long long time I mean they try to claim Zelda, and Hydlide was first open world but it was just first non side scrollers pretty much. And Sege says the first one was their game called Jet Rocket. GTA 3 was the first open world as we know it game and that was 2001, 3DS was 2011. So I don't know where you getting this "before they even exploded!" BS from as Vice City is older then 3Ds and was huge explosion in 2002 as well lol

But fanboys don't really know much outside their fandom I been gaming since 1989 I started out as a toddler on my dads old atari not even sure what model number it was just played hell out of River Raid on it lol. Trust me Pokemon didn't beat ANYONE to ♥♥♥♥. I mean it barely edged out Digimon by one year. I don't know why you fanboys don't get you can play more then oen game I played the hell out of Yellow, but I played Zeld Orcania of time MORE and it came out the same year, I also played hell out of Starcraft, Metal Gear Solid, and Half life that year. ♥♥♥♥ Spryo came out, the first Mario party, first Baldur's Gate Starcraft Brood War played hell out of that on the family PC that year, as well as tons of others.

You really only get budge for oen game every 3 years or something like that? I mean my steam libarary has over 600 games and I got 18 years badge for steam. Hell I jsut put in over 70 hours stil lgot like 10-30 more in palworld and tempted to get Enshrowded this month lol. I mean my steam wrap up thing from last year I played I think it was over 100 games in 2023, only 17 were new ones I replayed a lot of old ones I already owned. I probally get 10-15 games a year on average these days and I been on steam for 18 years got 600+ math says I should get 34 games a year but honestly Humble Bundles old bundles when they had good ones patted up numbers a few years now its lmore like 10-20 year but were talking 9.99 on sale games and like one or two AAA full price games a year lol

Nothing in Pokemon is original I use to love it but I got 10 hours in the last one. I got over 70 in this i just can't get into the new pokemon like I coudl the old ones when I was yougner I mean ♥♥♥♥ I still got a copy of Shield I never even opened some one gifted me, in fact I think White was the last one I bought with my own money now I got family who just gifts me copies when they come out for some reason...

[Injurious]

Its wild how many kids speak on copyright law while also having absolutely no idea how real life works


Palworld will never be sued or face any kind of legal responsibility at any point

That's it

[Ikagura]

maeharaprojekt の投稿を引用：

Less-than-clever individuals who've made mods to replace Pals with Pokemon models are actively being squashed by Nintendo and Game Freak. The Cease & Desist letters have gone out within a few days of their discovery of such mods and some of these incidents are being reported by regular news-media in Japan.

It's long been a dark joke that you can calibrate your clock by the speed and consistency of Nintendo's legal department.

With Craftopia, PocketPair started gaining a reputation for being able to balance between parody/homage and theft. In Japan, this can be a line so thin that one could use it to cleanly cut a bacterium in two. If PocketPair screws up, the onus of proof will be on them since Japan does not have anything resembling "Fair Use" protections.

I hope that PocketPair continues surviving and does not stop being a pack of cheeky buggers.

And the mod was also paid... what a silly thing.

Sin の投稿を引用：

Its wild how many kids speak on copyright law while also having absolutely no idea how real life works


Palworld will never be sued or face any kind of legal responsibility at any point

That's it

Copyright laws are also weird, Doom was obviously ripping off riffs from popular metal bands and still got away.

The Cacodemon was a D&D creature's head too.

[The Former]

If you crouch in the haystacks in the breeding pen, you become completely obscured from sight. 0/10, game ripped off Assassin's Creed, patiently awaiting the Ubisoft lawsuit.

[Zinkr7x]

bishop6363 の投稿を引用：

This is about the most honest input in this thread- "That said, I am just a layman, I have not passed any bar examination, I am not studying law. I am just going by what I know of the law in Japan," Tempered response to an interesting notion. Well done - slow clap clap clap but your fatal mistake was this > " I assume that Nintendo's legal team have not found any grounds for suing." There is no basis for assuming this. Litigation takes month to prepare and years to resolve. It may already be in the works. We wont know till we know.

My guy, stop commenting. You lack legal knowledge. There's no grounds based on any prior legal case that allows for Nintendo to sue.
Plus, you literally brought up Myth of Empires vs Snail Games, which has no relation to this copyright case whatsoever... HOWEVER one thing we can pull is the time frame it took to pull the game from the Steam store... Wanna guess what it was? Was it months? Or was it approximately 2 weeks? It was 2 weeks. Released Nov 18th, pulled December 3rd. At best, if it's gunna happen for PAlworld, well it should have already happened, but it's gunna be within the next week max.

[maeharaprojekt]

A Worthless Husk of Nothing の投稿を引用：

If you crouch in the haystacks in the breeding pen, you become completely obscured from sight. 0/10, game ripped off Assassin's Creed, patiently awaiting the Ubisoft lawsuit.

LOL!

Splinter Cell, forgetting that they have the same publisher, taps AC on the shoulder with its FN Five-Seven and sez, "Hey buddy. Shh, shh, shh... I'll take care of your wife." before breaking AC's neck, while Metal Gear Solid whispers into GR ear, "Where's your cardboard box... Buddy." and slipping a knife into SC's spine, and so it goes on and on.

[bishop6363]

Sin の投稿を引用：

Its wild how many kids speak on copyright law while also having absolutely no idea how real life works


Palworld will never be sued or face any kind of legal responsibility at any point

That's it

I liked the first part and then you ruined with the 2nd part. You cant know this, it is not obvious, and it has happened to other games ie City of Heroes vs DC/Marvel. Which I already mentioned and you didnt bother to look up.
https://massivelyop.com/2019/11/22/lawful-neutral-when-marvel-sued-ncsoft-over-city-of-heroes/

[bishop6363]

Zinkr7x の投稿を引用：

bishop6363 の投稿を引用：

This is about the most honest input in this thread- "That said, I am just a layman, I have not passed any bar examination, I am not studying law. I am just going by what I know of the law in Japan," Tempered response to an interesting notion. Well done - slow clap clap clap but your fatal mistake was this > " I assume that Nintendo's legal team have not found any grounds for suing." There is no basis for assuming this. Litigation takes month to prepare and years to resolve. It may already be in the works. We wont know till we know.

My guy, stop commenting. You lack legal knowledge. There's no grounds based on any prior legal case that allows for Nintendo to sue.
Plus, you literally brought up Myth of Empires vs Snail Games, which has no relation to this copyright case whatsoever... HOWEVER one thing we can pull is the time frame it took to pull the game from the Steam store... Wanna guess what it was? Was it months? Or was it approximately 2 weeks? It was 2 weeks. Released Nov 18th, pulled December 3rd. At best, if it's gunna happen for PAlworld, well it should have already happened, but it's gunna be within the next week max.

https://massivelyop.com/2019/11/22/lawful-neutral-when-marvel-sued-ncsoft-over-city-of-heroes/