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evolution.400 Jan 26, 2024 @ 3:21am
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A real Lawyer comments on Palworld
Okay, this isn't what you think, this is one of those, Pokemon fan bois don't know what they're talking about. For those of you who don't know, this is Hoeg Law, he is a lawyer and he commented on Palworld. He has already stated, that being inspired, is not the same as a one for one copy, and that Palworld DID NOT DO a one for one copy. Here's his video, any pokemon fans who get salty over this, please cry here, your tears sustain me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns3ATH556NU&t=89s
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Doctor Zalgo Jan 26, 2024 @ 7:54pm 
Originally posted by Multihog:
Originally posted by Semirotta:
The pokemon fanbois have absolutely no idea. The game would of have been taken down years ago already while in development if there was something wrong.
Why do you think so? Did anyone even know about this game? Was it promoted in any way during dev? I don't recall hearing anything about this game before it was already coming out.

Nintendo hit a mod with a cease and desist within a day of it being announced. There is zero chance they didn't know the game was in development and have a close eye on it. If they're like every other corporation in the world, they have media surveillance teams just for this sort of thing.
People be forcing pokemon this pokemon that they can't hold a grain of sand or grain of salt in their eyes and palms respectively because some title like Palworld came out decade later than first Pokemon game and is doing much better so much so riding on its success.

Bah, you know what's riding on who's success?

Charles. Diana. PBC.
Doctor Zalgo Jan 26, 2024 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by TheLevelCap:
Originally posted by evolution.400:
Okay, this isn't what you think, this is one of those, Pokemon fan bois don't know what they're talking about. For those of you who don't know, this is Hoeg Law, he is a lawyer and he commented on Palworld. He has already stated, that being inspired, is not the same as a one for one copy, and that Palworld DID NOT DO a one for one copy. Here's his video, any pokemon fans who get salty over this, please cry here, your tears sustain me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns3ATH556NU&t=89s
Even tho I don't want this game to go down, you said yourself, he's a lawyer, his opinions have as much weight as mine and yours, the difference is that he has the skill to defend it in front of a judge. I'm sure Nintendo's lawyers will find reasons to agree this is a copy even tho it's not.

In the end it's up to a judge to decide. Welcome to the world of adults.

But I don't think Nintendo will do anything about it, they usually go after ppl that mod their game.

It's not for a judge to decide, it won't make it to court. At worst, Nintendo will send the devs an email saying 'we think these pals are infringing' and the devs will go 'yes we will change those things' and that will be the end of the discussion.

Remember that in the future Nintendo will have to respect Palworld copyrights when they make new pokemon and they don't want the relationship to be acrimonious.
Last edited by Doctor Zalgo; Jan 26, 2024 @ 7:57pm
Doctor Zalgo Jan 26, 2024 @ 8:01pm 
Originally posted by Orthrus The Dragon:
I think what people aren't realizing, is Nintendo never specified they were investigating Palworld. A modder was selling a mod FOR palworld that converted a lot of characters into pokemon characters. THEY are being investigated last i checked.

If you read it again, you'll notice they never specified they were doing anything beyond monitoring the situation. Even if they were planning to sue or burn down their headquarters, it makes no sense to telegraph that publicly. You'd only publish something like that to tell the world 'stop emailing us for the love of god, we're already across it'.
YukkuRIM Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:02pm 
This is a Japanese article, A false charge will be defeated in court.
People who fabricate Pokemon plagiarism may be prosecuted in japan.

Actually, it's scary to say that you "suspect someone else's plagiarism"... A large amount of compensation awaits those who "carelessly falsely accuse others of plagiarism" [Explanation by a first-class intellectual property management technician]
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/e07b3f06c75aa2955b03628304dbe5367e084a27
As someone who has a law background, I have to agree.

People don't understand that copyright only protects against people stealing your work and selling it as if it was your own without permission, with the exceptions in the case of parody and fair use. That's it...

It's that simple.
retsam1 Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:15pm 
Keep in mind most of the armchair lawyer opinions skirt over the fact that both companies are based in Japan with differences to how civil cases are handled. In general in Japan, cases here have courts prefer to have both parties resolve issues through court appointed arbitrators, if it actually gets to that point. There are only 45k-ish lawyers in Japan vs 1.3 million in the US to help put things into perspective. Litigiousness in such regards in country arent as commonplace then as that of the US and other countries.
Last edited by retsam1; Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:16pm
Mechnokor Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:17pm 
Ironically Palworld is to Pokemon as Pokemon is to Dragon Quest.
Seriously we got Geodude, from Dragon Quest.
Psyduck, from Dragon Quest.
Gamefreak would also be guilty if Palworld got targeted for that reason.
But as fans said, Copyright is different.
If Palworld did what that one mod did, and used models directly from a pokemon game then yes.. That would be a lawsuit.
There can only be so many ways you can draw a chicken, same as there can only be so many cars... If that wasn't the case Ford would sue so many car dealerships.
weiss Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:17pm 
https://gyazo.com/f7fb7c8fdd48a92d384fcff2efa9e7e6 the memes which go around because of this copyright stuff are awesome XD.
but, peoples often forget that a lot of other games copie´d pokemon and sticked the tongue out torwards nintendo. so will palworld do aswell. and that with an even greater success then ever lol.
Mechnokor Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:18pm 
Originally posted by Blumineon:
Originally posted by Tech-Priest:
As someone who has a law background, I have to agree.

People don't understand that copyright only protects against people stealing your work and selling it as if it was your own without permission, with the exceptions in the case of parody and fair use. That's it...

It's that simple.
It also applies to art that has been modified or made too similar to a copyrighted design...
Then uh... Why didn't Nintendo Sue Bandai for some of THEIR designs hmm?
Like Yanmamon, Inspired by Yanma AND named the same. Just added MON to the name.
weiss Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:19pm 
Originally posted by Doctor Zalgo:
Originally posted by Orthrus The Dragon:
I think what people aren't realizing, is Nintendo never specified they were investigating Palworld. A modder was selling a mod FOR palworld that converted a lot of characters into pokemon characters. THEY are being investigated last i checked.

If you read it again, you'll notice they never specified they were doing anything beyond monitoring the situation. Even if they were planning to sue or burn down their headquarters, it makes no sense to telegraph that publicly. You'd only publish something like that to tell the world 'stop emailing us for the love of god, we're already across it'.
it would be funny if nintendo buys pocketpair and letting them make the next new pokemon WHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA XD.
BoogieWoogie Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:22pm 
Originally posted by Mechnokor:
Ironically Palworld is to Pokemon as Pokemon is to Dragon Quest.
Seriously we got Geodude, from Dragon Quest.
Psyduck, from Dragon Quest.
Gamefreak would also be guilty if Palworld got targeted for that reason.
But as fans said, Copyright is different.
If Palworld did what that one mod did, and used models directly from a pokemon game then yes.. That would be a lawsuit.
There can only be so many ways you can draw a chicken, same as there can only be so many cars... If that wasn't the case Ford would sue so many car dealerships.

There are a lot more than that such as caterpillar, bats, ground creature, and many more; but besides that.
Tiger from Monster Rancher is shiny lycanroc and there probably are a few other Monster Rancher ones Pokemon got 'inspiration' from.
Pokemon also straight up rip off artist designs of Fakemon like the whale/human thing and two-headed plants.
s Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:23pm 
🤓 holy
ScorpBaron Jan 26, 2024 @ 9:24pm 
Originally posted by evolution.400:
Okay, this isn't what you think, this is one of those, Pokemon fan bois don't know what they're talking about. For those of you who don't know, this is Hoeg Law, he is a lawyer and he commented on Palworld. He has already stated, that being inspired, is not the same as a one for one copy, and that Palworld DID NOT DO a one for one copy. Here's his video, any pokemon fans who get salty over this, please cry here, your tears sustain me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns3ATH556NU&t=89s

If it isn't a common sense lawyer, I could care less. Palworld > pokemon.
babymaizy666 Jan 26, 2024 @ 10:00pm 
Originally posted by Blumineon:
Originally posted by Tech-Priest:
As someone who has a law background, I have to agree.

People don't understand that copyright only protects against people stealing your work and selling it as if it was your own without permission, with the exceptions in the case of parody and fair use. That's it...

It's that simple.
It also applies to art that has been modified or made too similar to a copyrighted design...

You're not Nintendo's lawyers. No fan can dictate what is and isn't copyrighted. Only a judge can dictate that. Even if Nintendo's lawyers think there's legal standing, only the judge can overrule if it's actually copyrighted or not. Yes SOME models are questionable, but for a LOT of the models, people are just grasping at straws for. People mostly just point out SHAPES of the models, but here's the thing. YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT SHAPES. ALSO, there's a handful of Pokemon that look too similar to Dragon Quest monsters.

At the end of the day, all Palworld would have to do is make new models. This game doesn't have to blink out of existence just because you feel and think it's morally wrong. This game is PARODY. PARODY is protected under fair-use. If Parody was not protected under fair use, we wouldn't have shows like SNL, or South Park, or even Family Guy. And they've been around for YEARS now. And by now I think Pocketpair has proved enough that they are more than capable of redoing the models if need be.

There were models from earlier videos showcasing this game that we never put into the game BECAUSE they were TOO similar to the actual thing, and Pocketpair deleted those videos. So if Nintendo came to Pocketpair and said hey, so and so is too similar, they wouldn't double down, and they would still comply and change them IF NEED BE. They already went after that Pokemon mod for it. They would have went after Palworld at the same time if the issues were that obvious. And they're not obvious because a majority of the Pals are not directly the same as the Pokemon. Again maybe SOME of them are little too close to the sun, but if they were actually infringing upon anything on PURPOSE, it would have been WAY more obvious than what it is now.

Any pokemon proud boy would be lucky if Pocketpair just got a slap on the wrist and just re-made some models.
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Date Posted: Jan 26, 2024 @ 3:21am
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