Legality

[Yournewstepmom]

Why isn't Nintendo suing? Is it because they don't want something coping their idea to be mixed with firearms?

[Shork]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

As if the internet sleuths were gonna build a better case then the likely very large legal team of Pokémon lol
The fact is, Pokémon hasn't gone after palworld in 3 years of development, they haven't gone after them after they broke world records, they did in less then 24 hours shut down the pokemon mod, so if they can roll out a shutdown in under 24 hours why haven't they hit palworld? Cuz they can't.

But the wanna-be lawyer Steam forum clowns want to spit literally any garbage in hope they're right about anything ever by chance! Putting aside that literally no one will remember them for even a second regardless of outcome.

[Sean8102]

legally distinct

Nothing they can do

[Masterpeing]

hope nintendo take something about this, this game its terrible.

[Shork]

Originally posted by Masterpeing:

hope nintendo take something about this, this game its terrible.

Before Nintendo does anything, you should take your meds first.

[Zabs]

Originally posted by FemboyHooters:

Why isn't Nintendo suing? Is it because they don't want something coping their idea to be mixed with firearms?

"There is no such thing as Fair Use in Japan. None, Doesn't exist. So with that in mind If Nintendo wants to go after you if you are in the US or Europe or anywhere else, because you are showing off Nintendo stuff. They have every right to, because there is no fair use in Japan. They can Stop you from doing that. They;ve done it many many times, it may feel unsavoury but that is within their purview to do so. Right? Normal Stuff!

Now with that in mind, lets say Nintendo wanted to go after Pocket Pair and say "Hey there's something wrong here" Well... Pocket Pair has been working publicly on Palworld for 3 years and Nintendo haven't done it. Pocket Pair has now released the game and they have 7 million sales, and Nintendo still hasn't done it. And on top of all of this and everything else... They are both in Japan which means it wouldn't be an "international lawsuit" It'd be a local lawsuit.

So if they're not doing it, then why is everyone on Twitter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Pretty sure that Nintendo one of the most litigious game companies in the world would have more of a handle and understanding of the law, then all of the armchair experts on twitter."

[Shork]

Originally posted by Zabs:

Originally posted by FemboyHooters:

Why isn't Nintendo suing? Is it because they don't want something coping their idea to be mixed with firearms?

"There is no such thing as Fair Use in Japan. None, Doesn't exist. So with that in mind If Nintendo wants to go after you if you are in the US or Europe or anywhere else, because you are showing off Nintendo stuff. They have every right to, because there is no fair use in Japan. They can Stop you from doing that. They;ve done it many many times, it may feel unsavoury but that is within their purview to do so. Right? Normal Stuff!

Now with that in mind, lets say Nintendo wanted to go after Pocket Pair and say "Hey there's something wrong here" Well... Pocket Pair has been working publicly on Palworld for 3 years and Nintendo haven't done it. Pocket Pair has now released the game and they have 7 million sales, and Nintendo still hasn't done it. And on top of all of this and everything else... They are both in Japan which means it wouldn't be an "international lawsuit" It'd be a local lawsuit.

So if they're not doing it, then why is everyone on Twitter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Pretty sure that Nintendo one of the most litigious game companies in the world would have more of a handle and understanding of the law, then all of the armchair experts on twitter."

The laws within Japan are irrelevant anyhow.
The laws of the location of whoever is being sued matter. If Nintendo sues someone in America, they'll have to fight in an American court, by American laws.
Unless that person is being extradited to Japan, they ain't gonna get their will that easily.
But that's why large companies have lawyer firms in multiple countries anyway.

[Zabs]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by Ms. Spentyouth:

Gotta stop you there. Smart people who know what they're talking about have been looking at Palworld's game assets side by side with Pokemon game assets and saying there's at least credible suspicion this rises to the level of copyright infringement.

Listen Nintendo already smacked the pokemon mod with a cease and dissist lol
If they had a case for palworld it would have happened.

It's not gonna happen because they the concept of monsters in balls, isn't a copyright you can have xD

They only smacked the Pokemon Palworld mod guy down because he was CHARGING people for it. The moment you start charging people for the use of some one else IP or likeness is the moment you will get the crap sued out of you.

[Zabs]

Originally posted by People Are Dumb:

Originally posted by Zabs:

"There is no such thing as Fair Use in Japan. None, Doesn't exist. So with that in mind If Nintendo wants to go after you if you are in the US or Europe or anywhere else, because you are showing off Nintendo stuff. They have every right to, because there is no fair use in Japan. They can Stop you from doing that. They;ve done it many many times, it may feel unsavoury but that is within their purview to do so. Right? Normal Stuff!

Now with that in mind, lets say Nintendo wanted to go after Pocket Pair and say "Hey there's something wrong here" Well... Pocket Pair has been working publicly on Palworld for 3 years and Nintendo haven't done it. Pocket Pair has now released the game and they have 7 million sales, and Nintendo still hasn't done it. And on top of all of this and everything else... They are both in Japan which means it wouldn't be an "international lawsuit" It'd be a local lawsuit.

So if they're not doing it, then why is everyone on Twitter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Pretty sure that Nintendo one of the most litigious game companies in the world would have more of a handle and understanding of the law, then all of the armchair experts on twitter."

The laws within Japan are irrelevant anyhow.
The laws of the location of whoever is being sued matter. If Nintendo sues someone in America, they'll have to fight in an American court, by American laws.
Unless that person is being extradited to Japan, they ain't gonna get their will that easily.
But that's why large companies have lawyer firms in multiple countries anyway.

You are missing the entire point where I said

"Pocket Pair has been working publicly on Palworld for 3 years and Nintendo haven't done it. Pocket Pair has now released the game and they have 7 million sales, and Nintendo still hasn't done it."

Nintendo didn't sue 3 years ago and they aren't going to sue now... now get off your armchair, go outside, and breath in some fresh air. I explained it to you as clear as night and day, yet you still question it.

[Wizardmon]

Originally posted by Irot Noot:

There is literally nothing to sue for. If they do, they will waste a bunch of money. Do keep in mind that both companies are Japanese and Japans copy write laws are whats in play, not the US or EU.. From my reading, Japanese copy write laws allow for a much wider fair use than you typically might think.

Japan actually has no Fair Use, at all.

[Shork]

Originally posted by Zabs:

They only smacked the Pokemon Palworld mod guy down because he was CHARGING people for it. The moment you start charging people for the use of some one else IP or likeness is the moment you will get the crap sued out of you.

That actually makes a huge difference indeed.
It didn't make sense for me to see the mod being taken down for just being "Pokemon". That's never been an issue.
Those companies only come knocking when you actually ask for money. Because then they're legally REQUIRED to protect their IP through legal means, or they lose their rights.

Originally posted by Zabs:

You are missing the entire point where I said

I didn't. I only meant to elaborate the part about what laws matter. I just didn't bother to cut the rest of the quote because I assumed it obvious.
Nintendo can't/won't do anything because there's no case.

Originally posted by Zabs:

now get off your armchair, go outside, and breath in some fresh air. I explained it to you as clear as night and day, yet you still question it.

I prefer using my standing desk for >10h a day, but thanks for the suggestion. I hope you're also in a good condition.

[Psyanide]

Originally posted by Ms. Spentyouth:

Originally posted by People Are Dumb:

anyone with an IQ above rock would know that this isn't theft of intellectual property.

Gotta stop you there. Smart people who know what they're talking about have been looking at Palworld's game assets side by side with Pokemon game assets and saying there's at least credible suspicion this rises to the level of copyright infringement.

Gotta stop you there. Stupid people who have no idea what copyright is nor what constitutes as IP theft are crying because they now realize it's PERFECTLY LEGAL to take someones art and improve it. So long as your end product is at least 30% different from the original it is considered your own, not the persons whos art was used as the base template.

Directors and script writers borrow from other directors and script writers, musicians borrow from other musicians, EDM producers borrow sounds from anything and everything including copyrighted music (called sampling), interior decorators borrow from other interior decorators, fashion designers borrow from other fashion designers (predominantly the trait of everything they produce being completely impractical) and games developers borrow from other games and developers.

Taking a model and modifying it to be at least 30% different from the original makes that new model yours, simple as that. Anybody can look at an image, sketch it out and then modify it and then sell it as their own work, because it is. AI just speeds this up, instead of having to hire a huge art team you just leave your generative AI running for 2 weeks and get your small art team to curate and tweak what it spits out.

Maybe this entire Palworld fiasco highlights the reason most AAA games are so poorly designed and developed; the developers are too stupid and lacking in self awareness that they don't understand that everything they've produced is based on something they've seen previously in someone else's work.

[[☥] - CJ -]

The only problem Nintendo would have is similarities to some Pokemon, which lets be honest, there are A FEW that look similar so that should be handled, everything else is different enough from Pokemon to not be an issue. The majority of monsters do not resemble Pokemon, and anyone with a Brain can see they are entirely different games.

So if Nintendo goes after them all they have to do is remove or modify the problematic content.

Did the makers of the first RPGs or Shooters try to sue OTHER RPGs and Shooters in the years since? No. As long as the game is DIFFERENT enough they cannot be touched for artistic reasons, Obvious Clones of said games are of course a different story.

And lets be honest, this is definitely Not a Clone.
PLENTY of games have characters/monsters that are similar to past games, Nintendo does not own the patent or copyright to solely be the only company ALLOWED to create this genre of game.


So to the Devs
If Nintendo comes after you, CHANGE what you must to keep your game going.

[Zinkr7x]

Originally posted by Purple Sauce:

Originally posted by Nauct:

I'm someone put a dog in their game people say it's a rip off Pokemon. You could say Pokemon ripped off Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, but only Pokeman fans care for some reason. Idk why when the games have only gone down in quality over the years. I was so excited for the future of pokemon when I was a kid. ♥♥♥♥ peaked at Ruby/Sapphie

Been there done that with this garbage argument. Put their art together side by side and pokemon look VERY different from those 2. Also DQ and FF are made by Square who works hand in hand with Nintendo. So saying that this is copyright infringement is laughably stupid.

Some of the designs are more similar than some of the designs in Palworld. And, no matter how hand in hand the two work, that's not okay copyright infringement. (Plus, were they even working hand in hand at that time? I actually doubt it.)

It's nice to see you've been spreading misinformation everywhere though. Interesting how you're no longer arguing this and have moved the goalpost to the models being the same, which is also wrong.

[[☥] - CJ -]

Fact is, some of the monsters do resemble pokemon, but that can easily be fixed
So the case would be do they look similar enough or not to cause an issue

The game ITSELF is nothing like Pokemon, so the only issue would be how the monsters look.

[FOXDUDE69]

THIS DEBATE IS SUPER SILLY.

NINTENDO LOVES LAWSUITS.

IF THEY COULD SUE PALWORLD, THEY WOULD'VE DONE IT BY NOW.

YOU CAN SAFELY CONCLUDE THAT PALWORLD IS NOT DOING ANYTHING NINTENDO COULD SUE THEM FOR AND WIN.

25 PAGES OF THIS AND ALL Y'ALL DON'T SEE THE OBVIOUS!