Body type 1 and 2???

[Aloy]

What is that?

[Statist Nr. 27]

If someone doesn't buy a game because it's called Body Type 1/2 and not Male/Female, they should urgently see a doctor, because apparently they have serious mental problems.

[Amos]

Originally posted by Good Thyme:

Originally posted by Resolute:

^^^^^^^^^
This 10,000%

It's a fantasy world, so we can only guess as to the intelligence of pals. But assuming pals are on par with intelligent animals similar to what we have in the real world, it could be explained by something like this:

Animals, or in this case 'pals', can not construct or consent to gender roles within their social systems. This inherently leads them to the simple biological assignment as at it pertains to their reproduction. Pals can each have different and unique personalities, but they only understand companionship in terms of survival and procreation. This is sometimes referred to as the ' lizard brain '.

Humans. on the other hand, are complex social creatures that have the ability to consent to these social gender roles as well as recognize the many different physical biological possibilities. This is what allows us to self-identify within our own lives and connect it to our social structures; living life beyond just survival and procreation. We can understand that life has meaning beyond those two things, and we can celebrate that fact both personally and socially together.

At this points, the only reason for limited character customization 'body types' is to reduce the load on programming a character creation system. The best character creators are the ones that give free reign to the player to customize every aspect with sliders on every physical aspect, but that can be a lot of work to create and sometimes unnecessary when the game is focusing on other game play aspects.

Hope that clears it up.

Honestly, get some help. Everything okay at home?

[ambi]

Originally posted by Statist Nr. 27:

If someone doesn't buy a game because it's called Body Type 1/2 and not Male/Female, they should urgently see a doctor, because apparently they have serious mental problems.

what is wrong with male / female?

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by Lyhnet2706:

Originally posted by Beklyn-TR:

woke agenda strikes again.....

Thank you for the warning. No reason to look any more in to this game

All PALS are listed as Male/Female etc

The body type 1/2 is to avoid twitter abuse but its clear which is female/male

You will notice more pressure being put on eastern developers (even Wuxia games might have Male/Female or a Trans button which was unheard of before) from Western Corporations who want them to fall in line, regardless of what the customers want

[Ignosius]

Originally posted by Hope Diamond:

We as gamers need to unify and say enough is enough, we refuse to accept this nonsense. If you're trans gender, the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pick the gender you transitioned to. Period.

That makes too much logical sense, and logic isn't what they're interested in.

Transmen can pick male, transwomen can pick female. There's really no reason for it to be more complicated than that.

Male and female aren't "social constructs", they're actual biological realities. There is no logical reason to remove this label and use "body types" instead.

[HopperUK]

This literally doesn't matter. This is nothing.

[Ignosius]

Originally posted by HopperUK:

This literally doesn't matter. This is nothing.

If it's nothing and doesn't matter, then why did they change it?

Clearly it matters to someone.

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by Ignosius:

Originally posted by HopperUK:

This literally doesn't matter. This is nothing.

If it's nothing and doesn't matter, then why did they change it?

Clearly it matters to someone.

The Narcissist's Prayer


That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.


You see the above all the time with agenda based politics infiltrating video games / hobbies
(look what happened to Star Trek / Star Wars / Magic the Gathering / DnD / Warhammer 40k / Witcher adaptation )

Gate keep activists out of hobbies or be Gate kept out by them once they take over

[Good Thyme]

Originally posted by Ignosius:

Originally posted by Hope Diamond:

We as gamers need to unify and say enough is enough, we refuse to accept this nonsense. If you're trans gender, the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pick the gender you transitioned to. Period.

That makes too much logical sense, and logic isn't what they're interested in.

Transmen can pick male, transwomen can pick female. There's really no reason for it to be more complicated than that.

Male and female aren't "social constructs", they're actual biological realities. There is no logical reason to remove this label and use "body types" instead.

The physical body we are all born with, and the identity we project into our community are two different things.

The biological reality is that people are born with all sorts of bits both inside and out. You do realize that there isn't just two versions of the human body, right? The physicality of the body is important when dealing with medical needs and self-understanding, but in no way is anyone elses' business. This is the autonomy we're all born with and a natural right for all humans.

Before modern understanding of the body through advanced science and medicine became known, man and women has served humanity as a social construct throughout history and still to this day. People, through no fault of their own, are denied basic human needs and rights just because of their assigned gender role. And those who don't conform are ostracized from the community for daring to go against what their community has dictated they should do with their life.

So unless you're someone that's against the freedom of the individual to define their life, you should also celebrate the vast scope of human possibility both physically and socially. Allow someone to understand their body and mind, and see what person they are by their endeavors. This is freedom, a right we all are entitled at birth, something we all should fight and struggle for together.

[Ignosius]

Originally posted by Good Thyme:

The biological reality is that people are born with all sorts of bits both inside and out. You do realize that there isn't just two versions of the human body, right?

That's why customization exists. Body types would refer to things like being short or tall, fat or skinny, how muscular you are. All things that can be customized after selecting your "body type".

The two "body types" you can select are quite obviously male and female, since one is wearing a top and the other isn't. While something like "fat" or "skinny" is relative, male and female are not. Since the two types are actually defined, there is no reason not to use the actual label for them.

Originally posted by Good Thyme:

Before modern understanding of the body through advanced science and medicine became known, man and women has served humanity as a social construct throughout history and still to this day. People, through no fault of their own, are denied basic human needs and rights just because of their assigned gender role. And those who don't conform are ostracized from the community for daring to go against what their community has dictated they should do with their life.

Well now you're talking about gender roles, which has nothing to do with body types. A transwoman is still physically male, that's reality. She's free to play whatever role in society she wants, but that doesn't change biological fact.

Everyone is different, but male and female are pretty clearly defined. Yes, even in the "blurry" cases like intersex. No one is actually both. That's how the science works.

If you want to fight against gender stereotypes, feel free, but leave science out of it.

[Bloodwyrm Wildheart]

It's something you fix via modding.

[I SEV3N S1NS I]

Male and Female.

[Wanderer]

body type 1 is a female. body type 2 is a male with female hips.
also lacking boob slider sadly

[Good Thyme]

Originally posted by Ignosius:

Everyone is different, but male and female are pretty clearly defined. Yes, even in the "blurry" cases like intersex. No one is actually both. That's how the science works.

I think this is where we are at an impasse. You see an individual who doesn't fit your paradigm, and suddenly they're trying to be 'both' of the things you're assigning on to them (manhood and womanhood). When in the scientific reality is that they are a person with a different circumstance from their birth than you're used to.

If you are unable to recognize the plethora of circumstance and opportunity the human body is capable, you will never be able to get past thinking of people as one of two extremes.

[Ignosius]

Originally posted by Good Thyme:

Originally posted by Ignosius:

Everyone is different, but male and female are pretty clearly defined. Yes, even in the "blurry" cases like intersex. No one is actually both. That's how the science works.

I think this is where we are at an impasse. You see an individual who doesn't fit your paradigm, and suddenly they're trying to be 'both' of the things you're assigning on to them (manhood and womanhood). When in the scientific reality is that they are a person with a different circumstance from their birth than you're used to.

If you are unable to recognize the plethora of circumstance and opportunity the human body is capable, you will never be able to get past thinking of people as one of two extremes.

"Doesn't fit my paradigm?"

I'm talking about biology, you're talking about social constructs. I don't care what a guy looks like, how he dresses, or how he acts. Male is male and that doesn't change. That doesn't mean all men are the same as all other men, but being male is a real and measurable concept.

I brought up the "both" thing because people tend to use the existence of intersex conditions as evidence that humans aren't just male and female. In reality, even if your chromosomes do some weird stuff, you're still either one or the other. Being less "male" than another male doesn't make you not male anymore.