Timer on the boss!?!?!!? WHY!?!?

[syko]

I use nearly all my resources fighting this boss and get him down to 10% hp barely surviving the entire time and then it just insta-kills me and tells me I ran out of time!?!!?? This needs to be removed or at the very least be removable with a server setting. I don't have any hair any more because I just pulled it all out.

[Ichbin]

Whenever a boss has a timer, that usually means it's a "gear check". They don't want you to be under leveled, and cheese it for over an hour.

[roachit]

Originally posted by k1ung0:

Riding a Pal that gives you a damage boost/changes the player's attack element (i.e., Chillet, Ragnahawk, Beakon, etc) boosts your damage with your weapons tremendously. It probably goes without saying, but use the element that the boss is weak against.

I'll just leave this here as it contains loads of useful information (some of which includes the damage modifiers I fore-mentioned): https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1aedboa/partner_skill_upgrade_stats_exact_values_for_lv1/

I just fought the Shadowbeak tower boss and burned through 600 assault rifle rounds while riding a maxed out Ragnahawk at lvl50, aiming for the head. I got him down to one quarter HP and ran out of time. The HP pools of high level tower bosses are just asinine.

[k1ung0]

Originally posted by roachit:

Originally posted by k1ung0:

Riding a Pal that gives you a damage boost/changes the player's attack element (i.e., Chillet, Ragnahawk, Beakon, etc) boosts your damage with your weapons tremendously. It probably goes without saying, but use the element that the boss is weak against.

I'll just leave this here as it contains loads of useful information (some of which includes the damage modifiers I fore-mentioned): https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1aedboa/partner_skill_upgrade_stats_exact_values_for_lv1/

I just fought the Shadowbeak tower boss and burned through 600 assault rifle rounds while riding a maxed out Ragnahawk at lvl50, aiming for the head. I got him down to one quarter HP and ran out of time. The HP pools of high level tower bosses are just asinine.

Shadowbeak is dark. Use dragon type. Jetragon is really good against him too. Use your weapons while riding chillet since he gives you dragon damage to your guns. I used the AR and pump shotgun and beat him at lvl 49.

[DarkFenix]

It's a simple DPS check. If you're part way through the fight and obviously aren't going to make the time limit, stop wasting resources, die, and come back later. Upgrade your gear, level up, level up your pals, condense your pals, breed better traits onto them.

This is what's wrong with gamers these days, they pick up a game and just feel entitled to win no matter what, everything must be carefully spoon-fed to them or they throw a tantrum.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Princess_Daystar:

Originally posted by Lemurian1972:

And what do Enrage mechanics usually do? Oh yeah, end the fight.

Look folks, clearly Boss fights are on the first or second pass. You can tell simply because of their very basic behaviors in fights, random target switching, and their inability to react to terrain. Soon enough they'll improve them with more elaborate mechanics and fights with stages and all the things we're used to in other games.

Right now the bosses are there to generate metrics for balance tuning. They use the numbers we generate to test if Pal teams or Boss stats need adjustments so they will eventually have a smooth progression.

Given that ive powered through them in raids before its not a hard coded end. Its really down to team comp. If you can outheal the damage the fight can continue in the enraged mode. Regardless. I hope they do improve the bosses, because they are neat to see,and make them worthwhile to actually kill.

If an enrage effect is something you can power through, it is usually what is known as a soft enrage. It makes the fight much harder if it happens, but not impossible.

Hard enrages are meant to make winning nearly impossible if it happens, that is effectively what is happening with the timer here. For example, consider the Lich King's 15 minute enrage timer from wow. You hit that suddenly he has 150% increased haste and 900% increased damage.

[roachit]

Originally posted by k1ung0:

Originally posted by roachit:

I just fought the Shadowbeak tower boss and burned through 600 assault rifle rounds while riding a maxed out Ragnahawk at lvl50, aiming for the head. I got him down to one quarter HP and ran out of time. The HP pools of high level tower bosses are just asinine.

Shadowbeak is dark. Use dragon type. Jetragon is really good against him too. Use your weapons while riding chillet since he gives you dragon damage to your guns. I used the AR and pump shotgun and beat him at lvl 49.

Already did a Chillet attempt, also lvl50, ran out of time at about 1 third health bar left.
These HP pools seem to be designed for multiplayer and don't scale down for solo players at all.

[mikus]

Originally posted by DirtyMick:

Yeah probably just anti cheese, so you can't just beat it at a super low level by hiding behind pillars and slowly slowly taking the boss down. They know their AI isn't good yet, so it's a measure to prevent people from taking full advantage of it and beating bosses at level 5 lol.

Well they mostly screwed that up already with the boss glitch that let's you capture them like nothing at level 1, but you still don't actually "defeat" them. I was able to grab grizzbolt, lyleen, and shadowbeak that way, they've mostly been my tanks as a result, but they still don't do enough damage to take out the others with boss on boss action..

[Kretias]

Originally posted by 40-0"null":

Originally posted by DeLastOne:

DPS check exist in all games. get stronger ? come back later ? Is it a possibility in this case ?

dps check is when your damage wasn't applied in a way to succeed. This is a forced failure based on a set time, if it were a dps check it would be a game mechanic not a timer.

Its quite literally the same. Your damage wasn't applied in a way to succeed since you didn't apply enough damage to the boss within the span of 10 minutes. The Timer itself is the game mechanic. Doesn't matter if its a timer that ends the fight or a shield buff you have to burst down (again in a set amount of time because its damage "per second" check) that kills you instead if you don't.

[Kretias]

Originally posted by mikus:

Originally posted by DirtyMick:

Yeah probably just anti cheese, so you can't just beat it at a super low level by hiding behind pillars and slowly slowly taking the boss down. They know their AI isn't good yet, so it's a measure to prevent people from taking full advantage of it and beating bosses at level 5 lol.

Well they mostly screwed that up already with the boss glitch that let's you capture them like nothing at level 1, but you still don't actually "defeat" them. I was able to grab grizzbolt, lyleen, and shadowbeak that way, they've mostly been my tanks as a result, but they still don't do enough damage to take out the others with boss on boss action..

If its a new bug to catch them again then that too will be fixed just like the one that got recently fixed. Like are you really trying to use an bug during early access as an argument for what may very well be an intended game mechanic where they want you to be at a certain level of gear/power before you can tackle the given encounter as it is the case in so many other games as well?

[rage]

Spiral Abyss players be like "First time"

[Finn Fann]

Originally posted by roachit:

Originally posted by k1ung0:

Shadowbeak is dark. Use dragon type. Jetragon is really good against him too. Use your weapons while riding chillet since he gives you dragon damage to your guns. I used the AR and pump shotgun and beat him at lvl 49.

Already did a Chillet attempt, also lvl50, ran out of time at about 1 third health bar left.
These HP pools seem to be designed for multiplayer and don't scale down for solo players at all.

Might be worth putting a boss scaling feature request in the official discord or lowering your world's difficulty if solo to accommodate only one player.

[trickysaw25]

Originally posted by syko:

I use nearly all my resources fighting this boss and get him down to 10% hp barely surviving the entire time and then it just insta-kills me and tells me I ran out of time!?!!?? This needs to be removed or at the very least be removable with a server setting. I don't have any hair any more because I just pulled it all out.

You didn't say anything about it so i'll ask if you did anything to make it easier on yourself:

Use Pals with type/move advantage?

Condense Pals to increase stats?

Give souls to statue to increase stats?

Use/breed Pals with traits like lucky, musclehead, burly body, stronghold strategist, etc

Use food that increase stats like omelette?

Look for uncommon/rare/epic schematics for your weapons or armor to improve their stats?

If you're playing offline, you can always adjust the damage both you give and take in the settings

[Deagle Trainee]

Originally posted by Princess_Daystar:

Regardless im curious cause i havent beaten any of the other bosses besides the first(I dont see the point) do they get that difficult?

I'm just as curious as you. I thought the first one was a bit easy, but I might have over-leveled a bit before I decided to fight her. I haven't given much thought on fighting the others.

[Caelum_Errare]

Dps check is why i hate japanese games. Only the meta of the meta gaf about “dps math”

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Caelum_Errare:

Dps check is why i hate japanese games. Only the meta of the meta gaf about “dps math”

DPS checks are by no means exclusive to japanese games...