Palworld

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The Rogue Gamer Jan 18, 2024 @ 2:41pm
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Potential Copyright issue
Guys... Guys...

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1623730/extras/gif09_poaching.gif?t=1705583226

You cannot seriously tell me that doing this was a good idea. This looks and operates the exact same as a pokeball.

Nintendo is going to absolutely come down from the heavens with vengeful wrath if you guys don't either get permission to use this or change it completely.

It's a very weak argument that they open up before capturing the creature. This game looks interesting and cool but man, Nintendo don't play at all. They have zero chill with this stuff.

They own the copyrights for the ball, any versions that replicate it and the capture mechanics.
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Lecruidant Jan 18, 2024 @ 7:09pm 
If you think this game is going to get a lawsuit, then Pokemon should get papers served by Monster Rancher for infringement on Creature Collection.

That's how stupid you people look when you constantly talk about lawsuits pertaining to this game
iie-kyo Jan 18, 2024 @ 7:18pm 
bait post lol
Metsuro Jan 18, 2024 @ 7:21pm 
Originally posted by Meeks!:
Originally posted by Johnny Macabre:
It's parody. As long as they don't use any REAL pokemon names or designs, they are safe. TONS of games have monster catching mechanics.


The Pokemon company owns the designs of the ball any replicas of them and the capture mechanics. That entire thing is a direct violation of the copyright owners. You can't just "change it a little" and it'll be okay.

That's not how copyright law works, there is nothing innovative about a minor change and pallet swaps.

copyright doesn't work this way. Copyright is a protection for written work, art, and the like. you can't "copyright" a mechanic. You can copyright a character, its name, its appearance.

You can not copyright the idea of using a device to capture a creature. That would be called a patent. They can copy right the pokeball and its design. They could attempt to file a patent for capturing a creature in a device... That's called a trap though and is the universal conclusion for catching things... Which you can't patent.

So please stop throwing around copyright unless you'e done any amount of research on what it is, or how its even protected.

To further this point to really drive this home. Other games including Ark Survival, and starbound use ball like objects to catch and release creatures.
Last edited by Metsuro; Jan 18, 2024 @ 7:24pm
Roan Rahl Jan 18, 2024 @ 7:37pm 
Originally posted by Metsuro:
Originally posted by Meeks!:


The Pokemon company owns the designs of the ball any replicas of them and the capture mechanics. That entire thing is a direct violation of the copyright owners. You can't just "change it a little" and it'll be okay.

That's not how copyright law works, there is nothing innovative about a minor change and pallet swaps.

copyright doesn't work this way. Copyright is a protection for written work, art, and the like. you can't "copyright" a mechanic. You can copyright a character, its name, its appearance.

You can not copyright the idea of using a device to capture a creature. That would be called a patent. They can copy right the pokeball and its design. They could attempt to file a patent for capturing a creature in a device... That's called a trap though and is the universal conclusion for catching things... Which you can't patent.

So please stop throwing around copyright unless you'e done any amount of research on what it is, or how its even protected.

To further this point to really drive this home. Other games including Ark Survival, and starbound use ball like objects to catch and release creatures.

i posted a response to you here just now, but i realize i made a stupid. ignore me. you are correct @ patents.
Train007 Jan 18, 2024 @ 7:39pm 
Originally posted by Meeks!:
Guys... Guys...

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1623730/extras/gif09_poaching.gif?t=1705583226

You cannot seriously tell me that doing this was a good idea. This looks and operates the exact same as a pokeball.

Nintendo is going to absolutely come down from the heavens with vengeful wrath if you guys don't either get permission to use this or change it completely.

It's a very weak argument that they open up before capturing the creature. This game looks interesting and cool but man, Nintendo don't play at all. They have zero chill with this stuff.

They own the copyrights for the ball, any versions that replicate it and the capture mechanics.
You don't understand how copyright works so I suggest you leave the issue alone.
Originally posted by Power:
Originally posted by Meeks!:


The Pokemon company owns the designs of the ball any replicas of them and the capture mechanics. That entire thing is a direct violation of the copyright owners. You can't just "change it a little" and it'll be okay.

That's not how copyright law works, there is nothing innovative about a minor change and pallet swaps.
You cannot own a mechanic. Capturing with a sphere isn't something that can be locked down. it has to be SOECIFIC. You can copyright a specific animation, or a specific texture. But this is 100%
"legally distinct"

The first thing I always think of whenever something like this comes up is a lawsuit that was a big deal with hobby board games. One publisher literally just copied someone else's game. I assume they changed the reworded the rules, and they had their own art, but from what I gather the actual components could be matched with the older game 1:1

Guess what? They ended up being declared innocent of copyright law. I thought this game might get taken down when I saw the designs and how close a lot of them are, but it's Nintendo, there hasn't been any action yet

Originally posted by Kitai:
Originally posted by Kashra Fall:
Lol, that's not how copyrights work. Copyright is copying something to the "T" the pokeballs in this game are opening top and bottom, not one capsule flipping back open. Mojang could have sued COUNTLESS copies of minecraft clones, if and only if the copies didn't have small differences.
idk have you seen fan games? nintendo be stricking things down even if they arent 1:1 to the original mario bros or metroids.

this game is on the edge of borderline copyright issues, which if nintendo wants to they will sue them or dmca them, like every fan project.

I'm not sure if this is a troll or not but I'll answer. Fan games indicate you use elements that are tied directly to the inspiration, such as characters or regions. If it is a rom hack, you are also copying code

Breaking this into categories, you have
Original game (obviously you can't sell on Steam)
Rom hack (While there is typically some creativity that goes into this, using code you took from someone else is also a no go)
Fan game (you are likely still using established characters. Sure, that includes completely original designs such as Pikachu and Kirby, but stuff like Mario is also copyright infringement)
Parody ("look, this game has thundersqueek, a little mouse who I force to fight." Obviously inspired by an IP, and doesn't try to hide it, but changes enough to be considered original)
Copy (a game with no previously existing characters or story. In it, the construction worker can run and jump, defeating enemies by landing on them. Not making fun of the original, not adding or changing anything to be noticeable. Typically lazy cash grabs, but I'd guess quite a few are also learning projects)
Homage (pretty much nothing is new. Something might use existing ideas to create something new, and it might spawn a lot of games doing the same thing, but it likely wasn't the first to do whatever. A game that is heavily inspired by another might wear it's influence proudly. It changes or adds to its influence, even simple changes can make a world of difference

I think the easiest example of the last is in the form of Vampire Survivors. It isn't the first game in that style, but it did it well enough to show what that style of game can do. Now a lot of games are like it, and some are better, some are worse, but they came in droves because of Vampire Survivors
paxtheconfused Jan 18, 2024 @ 8:00pm 
https://www.gamesradar.com/legally-distinct-pokemon-murdering-survival-game-palworld-gets-a-release-date-and-its-next-week/


Notice those all important words that start the headline. Then read the article. Then read copyright law. Then, having been humbled on how wrong you were about everything, apologize to all the trees who work tirelessly to provide you with precious oxygen that you refuse to allow to reach your brain.
Rat King Jan 18, 2024 @ 8:05pm 
Originally posted by Meeks!:
Originally posted by Xaelon:
This again? Yeah no. You can't sue someone for using a similar art style. Palworld and Pokemon have almost nothing in common gameplay wise.

Gamefreak didn't go after Coromon and Cassette beasts which are way closer to Pokemon's gameplay so why would they ignore those games but go after this one?


Did you not read what I said?

I specifically said the ball and the capture mechanics are strictly protected. The other game you mentioned do not use those mechanics or the ball. That part alone is a huge issue, if they got rid of it then there's no copyright problems.

I bet you are really fun at parties.
Lecruidant Jan 18, 2024 @ 8:06pm 
Originally posted by Meeks!:
Originally posted by Johnny Macabre:
It's parody. As long as they don't use any REAL pokemon names or designs, they are safe. TONS of games have monster catching mechanics.


The Pokemon company owns the designs of the ball any replicas of them and the capture mechanics. That entire thing is a direct violation of the copyright owners. You can't just "change it a little" and it'll be okay.

That's not how copyright law works, there is nothing innovative about a minor change and pallet swaps.

We get it. you love Pokemon and nintendo and stroke both of them before going to sleep at night.

They don't own creature collecting. They also don't own a ball function to capture creatures, as a similar function was used for World of Final Fantasy with a three action capture animation. Further, yes, if somebody WANTED to. They could make Pikachu, change him up slightly and change the color and it's not copyright actionable
Zinkr7x Jan 18, 2024 @ 8:57pm 
Originally posted by Kitai:
Originally posted by Kashra Fall:
Lol, that's not how copyrights work. Copyright is copying something to the "T" the pokeballs in this game are opening top and bottom, not one capsule flipping back open. Mojang could have sued COUNTLESS copies of minecraft clones, if and only if the copies didn't have small differences.
idk have you seen fan games? nintendo be stricking things down even if they arent 1:1 to the original mario bros or metroids.

this game is on the edge of borderline copyright issues, which if nintendo wants to they will sue them or dmca them, like every fan project.

Fangames directly use Nintendo's copyright protected IPs, assets and/or their trademarks, such as the names.

This game does none of that, and is nowhere close to the edge of borderline copyright issues. They are VERY far removed from that edge as it stands.
lawlessX Jan 18, 2024 @ 10:32pm 
starting to suspect this board is getting raided by pokemon fanboys alittle annoyed about this game
Lecruidant Jan 18, 2024 @ 10:36pm 
Originally posted by lawlessX:
starting to suspect this board is getting raided by pokemon fanboys alittle annoyed about this game

Exactly what is going on
Zinkr7x Jan 19, 2024 @ 1:43am 
Originally posted by Blumineon:
it's a parody game, brooooo, apparently it is enough to say this in order to have the right to copy anything that exists, yoooo :steamhappy::steamhappy::steamhappy:

Somewhat yea, but this game doesn't even need a parody defense. It's just legally fine, and it would not be considered a copy of Pokemon in any regard. Check in to Asteroids vs Meteors if you still don't understand, otherwise you just look like a goof.
Last edited by Zinkr7x; Jan 19, 2024 @ 1:43am
Pisaro Jan 19, 2024 @ 1:48am 
Originally posted by Meeks!:
Originally posted by Johnny Macabre:
It's parody. As long as they don't use any REAL pokemon names or designs, they are safe. TONS of games have monster catching mechanics.


The Pokemon company owns the designs of the ball any replicas of them and the capture mechanics. That entire thing is a direct violation of the copyright owners. You can't just "change it a little" and it'll be okay.

That's not how copyright law works, there is nothing innovative about a minor change and pallet swaps.
The Ball? Dont care, doesnt looks very similar. look at ark survival evolved, there you have some kind of "pokeball", too. no problems.
Acey Drgn Jan 19, 2024 @ 1:53am 
Bait used to be believable...
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