assassin tier list?

[snuggleform]

How would you rank the 4 of them? Should you always be leveling 1 assassin? Should I get the dlc?

[ZexxCrine]

Me personally?

Callidus: no contest. Completely broken unit
Vindicare: toolbox for every situation
Eversor: strong dps unit that can either be built around fat bleeds and detonating them or just a solo unit that gets 5 ap every turn and heals often
Cullexus: just has damage through walls. It can be significant damage but the low range and the uselessness and rng factor of all their other abilities makes me rate them lowly. In the early game you will almost never lower the warp gauge and in the late game other characters just don’t care that enemies are behind walls and the culexus’s extra ap is based on using willpower so in general they will start to lag behind your team in movement. I really don’t get what people see in this one other than she is immune to the tentaris hive mission gimmick.

I would personally recommend the dlc. Assassins will likely level faster than your other units because they all really want kill credit for one reason or another, but otherwise you should treat them like any other grey knight. Just a unit to use when you feel like they are good for the mission or the team composition or just because you like them.

[Gorwe]

Yes, you should get the DLC. Imo, it goes like this:

1. Callidus (Assassin)
2. Culexus (Psionic Operative)
3. Vindicare (Sniper)
4. Eversor (Berserker)

Now, to explain.

Callidus: This is THE Assassin amongst them all. She has a tool for any situation, can actually use stealth / sneak(Polymorphine) and fully bypasses Armor. Her ranged is quite potent, but takes some skill to set up properly. But, used properly, she can solo objectives, even at day 450+(when the game starts to spam silly stuff). Note: She is super squishy, even more so than Vindi(given at which range she operates) ... you REALLY NEED to KNOW HOW TO USE HER! But are rewarded amply for doing so.

Culexus: Now, this one is much more reliant on the group composition. If you can't spam cheap WP abilities, Clex just won't work. But once you get it working ... it has quite a huge single target damage and is super tanky. I would say that Clex is more of a Secondary Assassin. It is quite a good choice. Note: It can attack through walls! And the lowering of Warp Gauge allows you pretty aggressive plays. Having Clex present also impacts your research choices and even ship systems(why bother with -% Warp buildup when it is present?). It's also a very nice unit for Early Game.

Vindicare: By raw output, I would say that this one is much better than Clex. But Vindi has huge LoS / Cover problems. He is also very, very squishy. So, he also works as a Secondaty Assassin. I mean, he's this mega cool desperado, but what's that worth when everything hides behind walls, pipes and other cover? It has to be said that he can carry your Early Game pretty hard. But mind those covers...

Eversor: Don't get me wrong. He has one of the highest raw dps outputs, he can cash in those pretty hard(Lacerate), has self healing built in and is overall pretty durable. Why the last place then? Because he don't have cooldowns, he uses Health to use abilities. This is going to result in wounds and in less abilities used. Bleed is also ... powerful, sure, but it also allows enemies to do their stuff. Lacerate, as powerful as it is, has nothing on Death Strike(Callidus) or other big hitters. Neurotoxin also fully allows you to use Condition / Debuff builds, but it's 100% Single Target? Why wouldn't it be its own, AoE(maybe cone shaped?) ability? The longer the game goes on, the weaker he becomes(=ever increasing HP and amount of Bleed Immune enemies). DoTs really need to tick on the start of a round.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Yes, you should get the DLC. Imo, it goes like this:

1. Callidus (Assassin)
2. Culexus (Psionic Operative)
3. Vindicare (Sniper)
4. Eversor (Berserker)

Now, to explain.

Callidus: This is THE Assassin amongst them all. She has a tool for any situation, can actually use stealth / sneak(Polymorphine) and fully bypasses Armor. Her ranged is quite potent, but takes some skill to set up properly. But, used properly, she can solo objectives, even at day 450+(when the game starts to spam silly stuff). Note: She is super squishy, even more so than Vindi(given at which range she operates) ... you REALLY NEED to KNOW HOW TO USE HER! But are rewarded amply for doing so.

Culexus: Now, this one is much more reliant on the group composition. If you can't spam cheap WP abilities, Clex just won't work. But once you get it working ... it has quite a huge single target damage and is super tanky. I would say that Clex is more of a Secondary Assassin. It is quite a good choice. Note: It can attack through walls! And the lowering of Warp Gauge allows you pretty aggressive plays. Having Clex present also impacts your research choices and even ship systems(why bother with -% Warp buildup when it is present?).

Vindicare: By raw output, I would say that this one is much better than Clex. But Vindi has huge LoS / Cover problems. He is also very, very squishy. So, he also works as a Secondaty Assassin. I mean, he's this mega cool desperado, but what's that worth when everything hides behind walls, pipes and other cover? It has to be said that he can carry your Early Game pretty hard. But mind those covers...

Eversor: Don't get me wrong. He has one of the highest raw dps outputs, he can cash in those pretty hard(Lacerate), has self healing built in and is overall pretty durable. Why the last place then? Because he don't have cooldowns, he uses Health to use abilities. This is going to result in wounds and in less abilities used. Bleed is also ... powerful, sure, but it also allows enemies to do their stuff. Lacerate, as powerful as it is, has nothing on Death Strike(Callidus) or other big hitters. Neurotoxin also fully allows you to use Condition / Debuff builds, but it's 100% Single Target? Why wouldn't it be its own, AoE(maybe cone shaped?) ability? The longer the game goes on, the weaker he becomes(=ever increasing HP and amount of Bleed Immune enemies). DoTs really need to tick on the start of a round.

False information. Eversore cannot gain wounds from his hp use abilities. If you use all of his health 4 times over with only his abilities you will not get wounded at all. Not even a light wound. You have to get hit.

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Yes, you should get the DLC. Imo, it goes like this:

1. Callidus (Assassin)
2. Culexus (Psionic Operative)
3. Vindicare (Sniper)
4. Eversor (Berserker)

Now, to explain.

Callidus: This is THE Assassin amongst them all. She has a tool for any situation, can actually use stealth / sneak(Polymorphine) and fully bypasses Armor. Her ranged is quite potent, but takes some skill to set up properly. But, used properly, she can solo objectives, even at day 450+(when the game starts to spam silly stuff). Note: She is super squishy, even more so than Vindi(given at which range she operates) ... you REALLY NEED to KNOW HOW TO USE HER! But are rewarded amply for doing so.

Culexus: Now, this one is much more reliant on the group composition. If you can't spam cheap WP abilities, Clex just won't work. But once you get it working ... it has quite a huge single target damage and is super tanky. I would say that Clex is more of a Secondary Assassin. It is quite a good choice. Note: It can attack through walls! And the lowering of Warp Gauge allows you pretty aggressive plays. Having Clex present also impacts your research choices and even ship systems(why bother with -% Warp buildup when it is present?).

Vindicare: By raw output, I would say that this one is much better than Clex. But Vindi has huge LoS / Cover problems. He is also very, very squishy. So, he also works as a Secondaty Assassin. I mean, he's this mega cool desperado, but what's that worth when everything hides behind walls, pipes and other cover? It has to be said that he can carry your Early Game pretty hard. But mind those covers...

Eversor: Don't get me wrong. He has one of the highest raw dps outputs, he can cash in those pretty hard(Lacerate), has self healing built in and is overall pretty durable. Why the last place then? Because he don't have cooldowns, he uses Health to use abilities. This is going to result in wounds and in less abilities used. Bleed is also ... powerful, sure, but it also allows enemies to do their stuff. Lacerate, as powerful as it is, has nothing on Death Strike(Callidus) or other big hitters. Neurotoxin also fully allows you to use Condition / Debuff builds, but it's 100% Single Target? Why wouldn't it be its own, AoE(maybe cone shaped?) ability? The longer the game goes on, the weaker he becomes(=ever increasing HP and amount of Bleed Immune enemies). DoTs really need to tick on the start of a round.

False information. Eversore cannot gain wounds from his hp use abilities. If you use all of his health 4 times over with only his abilities you will not get wounded at all. Not even a light wound. You have to get hit.

Ah ok. Thanks for mentioning that.

[Shoebsy]

1 - Callidus by far, useful for almost everything, even when she's not leveled, she's pretty useful in terms of Action costs. not triggering overwatch + even a basic grenade is so good.
2 - Eversor is so good if you're confident about cleaning up a big mob.
3- Vindicare is really cool and IMO has the best abilities later in.
4 - Culexus is pretty specialist use, outside of the assassins, A Culexus and a Libarian overlap in ability way too much.

[snuggleform]

If Callidus is this universally good, should I simply not buy or train the other assassins? Since I'll be using her all the time.

[Salinga]

Originally posted by snuggleform:

If Callidus is this universally good, should I simply not buy or train the other assassins? Since I'll be using her all the time.

If you use a lot of WP, Culexus is extremely useful. I like to have it with me in my squads.

[snuggleform]

Originally posted by Salinga:

Originally posted by snuggleform:

If Callidus is this universally good, should I simply not buy or train the other assassins? Since I'll be using her all the time.

If you use a lot of WP, Culexus is extremely useful. I like to have it with me in my squads.

So you're saying I should dumpster Evesor and Vindicare?

[Salinga]

I have no experience with the Evesore and I have only played once with the Vindicare, which didn't convince me. It always depends on how you play or what you like.

What I do know is that I like Culexus as well as Callidus very much.

[reevestone]

Originally posted by snuggleform:

So you're saying I should dumpster Evesor and Vindicare?

Vindicare is really strong in the early game and for Bloom Assault missions. You don't strictly need him, but he does have a pretty strong niche in Bloom Assault. Eversor is a lot of fun to use, but suffers in that his primary use heavily overlaps with the Callidus and the Callidus is just game-breakingly insane at what she does.

[Tragic]

I've been having a lot of fun with the sniper and the ignore cover one. They seem to be strong for my game style. I only just got around to trying the melee ones but finding it difficult to manage their low heal / low armour values.

[Tragic]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Callidus: This is THE Assassin amongst them all. She has a tool for any situation, can actually use stealth / sneak(Polymorphine) and fully bypasses Armor. Her ranged is quite potent, but takes some skill to set up properly. But, used properly, she can solo objectives, even at day 450+(when the game starts to spam silly stuff). Note: She is super squishy, even more so than Vindi(given at which range she operates) ... you REALLY NEED to KNOW HOW TO USE HER! But are rewarded amply for doing so.

tips?

[Salinga]

Originally posted by Tragic:

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Callidus: This is THE Assassin amongst them all. She has a tool for any situation, can actually use stealth / sneak(Polymorphine) and fully bypasses Armor. Her ranged is quite potent, but takes some skill to set up properly. But, used properly, she can solo objectives, even at day 450+(when the game starts to spam silly stuff). Note: She is super squishy, even more so than Vindi(given at which range she operates) ... you REALLY NEED to KNOW HOW TO USE HER! But are rewarded amply for doing so.

tips?

https://youtu.be/MD1x4EEkolI

[Tragic]

Originally posted by Salinga:

Originally posted by Tragic:

tips?

https://youtu.be/MD1x4EEkolI

After 7 mins of him waffling on about nothing I gave up on this vid. If this dude wants to make Tech vids he needs to get to the point.

[Iron Horse]

This DLC was really good. The Assassins bring more variety to the game, and are useful.