Difficulty is ridiculous.

[Coffey]

Playing on normal settings. I am not new to hard games or xcom style games. But the difficulty in this game is ridiculous.

As I'm writing this I'm in a mission and fought 4 of these chaos marines together with like 7 poxwalkers that got spawned in behind me. I barely survive this and as I'm finishing off the chaos marine another warp surge pops up that revives everything I just killed.

I regret buying this. The balance is completely out of whack. I don't want to to look up meta builds when I'm trying to play a game on normal difficulty.

[DrGNOLA]

I have 25 hours in and love the game, but yes, it's way too difficult to make me want to finish or play much more. Fine, leave Legendary skill or whatever alone for the DarkSouls fanboys, but for gods sake, stupid made-up warp "mechanics" force me to play one way and rush through maps at the speed of light. I despise this Demeo-ization of what's otherwise one of the shiniest WH40k games to come along in years. That's phony difficulty disguising poor design. These space marines are like Gray [Panthers] Knights, constantly being ambushed and dinged here and there by the chumpiest of Cult members, then needing 29 days to heal...blah blah. Oh, use your resetting APs and do all this ridiculous ♥♥♥♥♥footing to trigger the enemies the right way...Lame...It is a good gaame, and it could really be a great game, but the difficulty is poorly balanced and frustrating to be sure.

PS. And don't tell me not to play it like Xcom2 dammit. Let me have the damn'd Dreadnaught I overpaid for on every mission then and I'll play the game I bought any damn way I want.

[Malakie]

Publicado originalmente por DrGNOLA:

I have 25 hours in and love the game, but yes, it's way too difficult to make me want to finish or play much more. Fine, leave Legendary skill or whatever alone for the DarkSouls fanboys, but for gods sake, stupid made-up warp "mechanics" force me to play one way and rush through maps at the speed of light. I despise this Demeo-ization of what's otherwise one of the shiniest WH40k games to come along in years. That's phony difficulty disguising poor design. These space marines are like Gray [Panthers] Knights, constantly being ambushed and dinged here and there by the chumpiest of Cult members, then needing 29 days to heal...blah blah. Oh, use your resetting APs and do all this ridiculous ♥♥♥♥♥footing to trigger the enemies the right way...Lame...It is a good gaame, and it could really be a great game, but the difficulty is poorly balanced and frustrating to be sure.

PS. And don't tell me not to play it like Xcom2 dammit. Let me have the damn'd Dreadnaught I overpaid for on every mission then and I'll play the game I bought any damn way I want.

Agree 100% with how you described it. This IS one of the best WH 40k games we have seen released in quite a while... and it turns out to be the one that needs to be revisited to make it enjoyable.

In fact this game is good enough, they should start making DLC's out the wazoo for it because it would enjoy a long life... as long as they do update and balance things out here soon with a patch.

I am not going to play it much for now because I keep hitting a brick wall even at normal level. I just hope a patch is coming soon because I really want to play it more.

[Sleya]

Publicado originalmente por Malakie:

Publicado originalmente por DrGNOLA:

I have 25 hours in and love the game, but yes, it's way too difficult to make me want to finish or play much more. Fine, leave Legendary skill or whatever alone for the DarkSouls fanboys, but for gods sake, stupid made-up warp "mechanics" force me to play one way and rush through maps at the speed of light. I despise this Demeo-ization of what's otherwise one of the shiniest WH40k games to come along in years. That's phony difficulty disguising poor design. These space marines are like Gray [Panthers] Knights, constantly being ambushed and dinged here and there by the chumpiest of Cult members, then needing 29 days to heal...blah blah. Oh, use your resetting APs and do all this ridiculous ♥♥♥♥♥footing to trigger the enemies the right way...Lame...It is a good gaame, and it could really be a great game, but the difficulty is poorly balanced and frustrating to be sure.

PS. And don't tell me not to play it like Xcom2 dammit. Let me have the damn'd Dreadnaught I overpaid for on every mission then and I'll play the game I bought any damn way I want.

Agree 100% with how you described it. This IS one of the best WH 40k games we have seen released in quite a while... and it turns out to be the one that needs to be revisited to make it enjoyable.

In fact this game is good enough, they should start making DLC's out the wazoo for it because it would enjoy a long life... as long as they do update and balance things out here soon with a patch.

I am not going to play it much for now because I keep hitting a brick wall even at normal level. I just hope a patch is coming soon because I really want to play it more.

I played alot of Warhammer 40K and Warhammer Fantasy lately. Besides Total War this is the only great game in the last decade i played. The Devs did an amazing job with love, passion and a vision what to achieve. I hope they fix the new problems and dont abandon their game like in Battlefleet Gothic Armada.

[Včelí medvídek]

Publicado originalmente por Sleya:

I played alot of Warhammer 40K and Warhammer Fantasy lately. Besides Total War this is the only great game in the last decade i played. The Devs did an amazing job with love, passion and a vision what to achieve. I hope they fix the new problems and dont abandon their game like in Battlefleet Gothic Armada.

it is interesting you say this because if I look away from the topic and focus on W40k immersion, I found Chaos gate pretty weak in this - comparing to DoW1/2, Dark crusade.. the whole setup, characters, writing, animations, voices, colors, grim atmosphere.. the best word that come to me for describe Chaos gate in comparison is "childish"

(and actually I played even DoW1 quite recently, like 1-2 years ago, so it is not just nostalgia..)

Just compare inquisitor introduction:
DoW1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYAodMyUNyY

CHG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovMmDtnOEZ0

[Galdred]

Publicado originalmente por Včelí medvídek:

]immersion, I found Chaos gate pretty weak in this - comparing to DoW1/2, Dark crusade.. the whole setup, characters, writing, animations, voices, colors, grim atmosphere.. the best word that come to me for describe Chaos gate in comparison is "childish"

(and actually I played even DoW1 quite recently, like 1-2 years ago, so it is not just nostalgia..)

Just compare inquisitor introduction:
DoW1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYAodMyUNyY

CHG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovMmDtnOEZ0

I am not so sure. I found the characters in Chaos Gate unlikeable and childish indeed, but the ship environment felt much more interesting than the random RTS map with corpse of DoW.

Actually, I played Dawn of War for a few hundred hours, but never bothered to finish its single player campaign, except for Dark Crusade (but it was free form, and not story driven).

This Dow scene has way too much exposition for my tastes for instance.

[Sleya]

Dawn of war 1 and 2 were both released way before a decade. I said Chaosgate is the best game (besides Total War) in the Warhammer universe since a decade.

EDIT: I also hate Dawn of War 2. I played it 5 years ago and recently and in my opinion it is boring.

[Bubs]

I liked in dow2 how when your guys get epic level the assault marine teleports in a nuclear explosion killing 20 guys. It was so unnecessary but fun.

Strange how you like chaos gate but not dow2. I figured that was very similar to chaos gate, unlike most of the other 40k, which is a lot of fps, which many turn based strategy people don't like.

[Sleya]

Publicado originalmente por Bubs:

I liked in dow2 how when your guys get epic level the assault marine teleports in a nuclear explosion killing 20 guys. It was so unnecessary but fun.

Strange how you like chaos gate but not dow2. I figured that was very similar to chaos gate, unlike most of the other 40k, which is a lot of fps, which many turn based strategy people don't like.

I was bored after 3-4 hours. Going from mission to mission just to kill orcs or eldar... nothing funny happenend except im watching healthbar decreasing. Boss battles? Please... Im not masochistic

[Včelí medvídek]

Publicado originalmente por Sleya:

Dawn of war 1 and 2 were both released way before a decade. I said Chaosgate is the best game (besides Total War) in the Warhammer universe since a decade.
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This is just confirming view on game industry in past decade:p

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

Publicado originalmente por Sleya:

Dawn of war 1 and 2 were both released way before a decade. I said Chaosgate is the best game (besides Total War) in the Warhammer universe since a decade.

EDIT: I also hate Dawn of War 2. I played it 5 years ago and recently and in my opinion it is boring.

What about Gladius though? It is pretty legit. It somewhat (emphasis on somewhat) resembles DoW 1 dark crusade.

Battlesector could be great but right now it feels almost like an alpha version.

Mechanicus I didn't like.

I find daemon hunters to be too repetitive and artificially difficult. I don't want to finish it at this point. The meta kills this game. There's no reason to not play the meta when you can't even close the distance otherwise.

[Malakie]

Publicado originalmente por Disciple.:

Publicado originalmente por Sleya:

Dawn of war 1 and 2 were both released way before a decade. I said Chaosgate is the best game (besides Total War) in the Warhammer universe since a decade.

EDIT: I also hate Dawn of War 2. I played it 5 years ago and recently and in my opinion it is boring.

What about Gladius though? It is pretty legit. It somewhat (emphasis on somewhat) resembles DoW 1 dark crusade.

Battlesector could be great but right now it feels almost like an alpha version.

Mechanicus I didn't like.

I find daemon hunters to be too repetitive and artificially difficult. I don't want to finish it at this point. The meta kills this game. There's no reason to not play the meta when you can't even close the distance otherwise.

Gladius is the other WK40 game I constantly play but it is 10? years old already...

[TheoreticalString]

Starting another legendary playthrough with the expansion, and all the usual is holding true - play careful, don't be afraid of damage, use grenades and terrain to clear as much as possible.

One mistake I see people make is recruiting new marines and being scared to send out wounded ones. Wounds are not a big deal - they're -5 HP, you can get skills that give +4 HP. Don't recruit new marines, and focus your XP onto your core group. A level 4 Justicar is WAY better than a level 1 Justicar. Keep leveling up your core group, don't spread XP around. Due to the XP mechanics, it is way easier to level up in the late game, like exponentially so. So early game, get a core group of higher levels established.

Just remember it isn't XCOM - you're a small elite force, not a group of idiot rookies. Make the elites as tough as possible.

[MeGa]

A silly, uncommon metric I use sometimes is: the amount of threads on its discussion forum.

My point of view is, does it have a lot, lot of threads? I equal a lot of threads to "something happens" with the game, be it balance issues, microtransactions, whatever.

Darktide for example, a very controvertive game, has 33k threads. Back for Blood, which is similar in the genre and released before (but not set in such a popular world as warhammer) has 11k.

Phoenix point, a kinda famous / hard xcom like game, has 1k threads. Here we are at 3k threads, Surpassing every similar game (mechanicus 1.9k, battlesector 1.3k, kingh arthur knights tale 1k,) only surpassed by xcom2 or gladius.

So to make it short, as I am on the "game is badly balanced" side...it doesnt matter if a small amount of people deny every complaint or feedback post with their arguments.

This games forum is boiling, theres a big discussion about balance, and just this fact, reflects theres a problem with it.

Seen a dev post saying they have heard the community and are considering rebalances.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

Publicado originalmente por Malakie:

Publicado originalmente por Disciple.:

What about Gladius though? It is pretty legit. It somewhat (emphasis on somewhat) resembles DoW 1 dark crusade.

Battlesector could be great but right now it feels almost like an alpha version.

Mechanicus I didn't like.

I find daemon hunters to be too repetitive and artificially difficult. I don't want to finish it at this point. The meta kills this game. There's no reason to not play the meta when you can't even close the distance otherwise.

Gladius is the other WK40 game I constantly play but it is 10? years old already...

Gladius is from 2018. I think is the best WH 40K as of late. It feels both balanced and doesn't feel lackluster, which say, Battlesector does.

[Demon of Razgriz]

Publicado originalmente por Bubs:

Publicado originalmente por Rob'sEvilTwin:

♥♥♥♥ me sideways! You mean a game based on a table top game played with dice has some RNG? Literally unplayable :P

I know. I also find it interesting that this game uses hardly any rng, but the people always compare this to x-com, which has been proven to have loaded dice based on how good you do. (info was in Mordheim forums, don't ask me about it)

XCOM cheated IN your favor on lower difficulties. Don't try to act like X-COM had loaded dice against you. On lower difficulties, it would add a stacking buff to accuracy every time you missed until you hit. On higher difficulties, it didn't do that.