Confused about the game....

[Spacemutiny]

I feel like all the reviews I've read don't really address the structure of the game. Is the campaign random missions? Or designed ones mixed with random? Are there any other modes other than a campaign? I remember the first Chaos Gate had a mission generator. Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Garage]

The campaign is a mix of “designed” missions with random missions intermixed. There are no other game modes other than the campaign and to my knowledge no mods are currently available.

[VoiD]

If you've player the recent XCOM games, it's quite similar, gameplay and campaign.

[Phexfunk]

Originally posted by VoiD:

If you've player the recent XCOM games, it's quite similar, gameplay and campaign.

And also quite different.

[phoneplace]

I remember the first Chaos Gate had a mission generator. Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks!

If you are looking to just do missions and not the campaign. Do not research The Codex and you can play hundreds of hours.

[Nandus]

Originally posted by phoneplace:

I remember the first Chaos Gate had a mission generator. Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks!

If you are looking to just do missions and not the campaign. Do not research The Codex and you can play hundreds of hours.

Oh thats an important hint. So there will be no penalty if you dont research the Codex? Do you know when penalties start, at which point in Codex research?

[Garage]

Originally posted by Nandus:

Originally posted by phoneplace:

I remember the first Chaos Gate had a mission generator. Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks!

If you are looking to just do missions and not the campaign. Do not research The Codex and you can play hundreds of hours.

Oh thats an important hint. So there will be no penalty if you dont research the Codex? Do you know when penalties start, at which point in Codex research?

I think he’s trying to make an implication without spoiling the game. However I don’t think it’s necessary with how long the game has been out and how thoroughly it’s covered. Never the less, if you don’t want this morsel of info spoiled, don’t continue reading.







Research in general is required to progress the campaign. Though I can’t confirm from my own experience, every indication tells me that if you don’t complete this research (the codex is just one example) then the campaign will never progress. And thus you can basically play random missions forever or until you are overwhelmed for one reason or another.

[Nandus]

Originally posted by Big N' Deezl:

Originally posted by Nandus:

Oh thats an important hint. So there will be no penalty if you dont research the Codex? Do you know when penalties start, at which point in Codex research?

I think he’s trying to make an implication without spoiling the game. However I don’t think it’s necessary with how long the game has been out and how thoroughly it’s covered. Never the less, if you don’t want this morsel of info spoiled, don’t continue reading.







Research in general is required to progress the campaign. Though I can’t confirm from my own experience, every indication tells me that if you don’t complete this research (the codex is just one example) then the campaign will never progress. And thus you can basically play random missions forever or until you are overwhelmed for one reason or another.

So here is a spoiler: I just wanted to know, if I can go on playing random missions and doing >>all<< research (exept story driving research) and level all my knights, and collecting items and max out ship as long as I want to, without getting all over sudden a "game over" message without even one morbus gate open. I just want to determine myself, when story triggers. The question is, if there is a point, where I have to stop codex research to achieve this. There seems to be a way to play beyond day 1000,

[phoneplace]

To answer the question above ( Nandus ) Spoiler ahead for some. If you want to research ALL.
And you want endless mode. Do not research The Codex. You can research EVERYTHING you want. And have a kinder Grand Master. And no Penalty. Thank KIA!

If you researched The Codex. You LOSS the kinder Grand Master. He will be on you to kill the 5 bosses.May (not sure) be penalties. But I believe if you stop researching the bosses you can sill play endless. Unless Grand Master said EVERYONE out of the POOL !

[Nandus]

Originally posted by phoneplace:

To answer the question above ( Nandus ) Spoiler ahead for some. If you want to research ALL.
And you want endless mode. Do not research The Codex. You can research EVERYTHING you want. And have a kinder Grand Master. And no Penalty. Thank KIA!

If you researched The Codex. You LOSS the kinder Grand Master. He will be on you to kill the 5 bosses.May (not sure) be penalties. But I believe if you stop researching the bosses you can sill play endless. Unless Grand Master said EVERYONE out of the POOL !

Thanks. Ok, so I will try it this way. Hope I will have acess to the advanced classes, especially librarian.

[Vathek1]

Originally posted by Nandus:

Originally posted by phoneplace:

To answer the question above ( Nandus ) Spoiler ahead for some. If you want to research ALL.
And you want endless mode. Do not research The Codex. You can research EVERYTHING you want. And have a kinder Grand Master. And no Penalty. Thank KIA!

If you researched The Codex. You LOSS the kinder Grand Master. He will be on you to kill the 5 bosses.May (not sure) be penalties. But I believe if you stop researching the bosses you can sill play endless. Unless Grand Master said EVERYONE out of the POOL !

Thanks. Ok, so I will try it this way. Hope I will have acess to the advanced classes, especially librarian.

You get access to the advanced classes after the Craftworld mission, which requires some story-related research to unlock. The Codex comes after that, and as you will need seeds of every type for it, you can hold off on that until you have a decent supply of seeds. Typically, I'm able to research almost all the strategems before taking on the first boss post-Codex.

Also, I'm not so sure that you can delay researching the Codex forever. If I recall correctly, Grand Master Kai will eventually get pissed about your lack of progress and will do things like deactivate your prognosticars for 90 days for safety purposes (to reduce psychic backlash impacts on them).

The other reason not to delay indefinitely--and why there's no real endless mode--is because you will eventually get overwhelmed by the number of missions that keep popping up around the star map. When planets reach 5 corruption, there is a chance they can spawn a Morbus Gate, which you'll need to head over to close via a special mission. (You can also slag the planet via Exterminatus, but don't do this on any planets linked to a prognosticar, or you'll lose the prog for good.) Fail to close 5 Morbus Gates, and your campaign is over.

I've managed to drag out one campaign to nearly 1000+ days, but that was on a lower difficulty, where the bloom infection rate is less aggressive. On Ruthless or Legendary, I'm not so sure you'd want to or could do that.

In XCOM, you can get a true endless mode as satellites over nations will prevent abduction missions from occurring in them, thus allowing you to control where you will operate. Put up satellites everywhere except over one country, and you can focus your ops in one area. Here, Prognosticars don't prevent new bloom missions from forming, and two missions on opposite sides of the map usually means you won't be able to nab both.

[phoneplace]

To answer the question above again ( Nandus ) Do not research The Codex. You can research EVERYTHING you want. And have a kinder Grand Master. And no Penalty.

If you researched The Codex. You LOSS the kinder Grand Master. He will be on you to kill the 5 bosses.May (not sure) be penalties.

So at Day 1,750 NO penalties. and 7 librarian. Unless dev's make some change's . I see no problem making it to day 10,000 : )

[Nandus]

Originally posted by phoneplace:

To answer the question above again ( Nandus ) Do not research The Codex. You can research EVERYTHING you want. And have a kinder Grand Master. And no Penalty.

If you researched The Codex. You LOSS the kinder Grand Master. He will be on you to kill the 5 bosses.May (not sure) be penalties.

So at Day 1,750 NO penalties. and 7 librarian. Unless dev's make some change's . I see no problem making it to day 10,000 : )

Tahts exactly what I wanted to read, thanks :-)

[Nandus]

Originally posted by Vathek1:

Originally posted by Nandus:

Thanks. Ok, so I will try it this way. Hope I will have acess to the advanced classes, especially librarian.

You get access to the advanced classes after the Craftworld mission, which requires some story-related research to unlock. The Codex comes after that, and as you will need seeds of every type for it, you can hold off on that until you have a decent supply of seeds. Typically, I'm able to research almost all the strategems before taking on the first boss post-Codex.

Also, I'm not so sure that you can delay researching the Codex forever. If I recall correctly, Grand Master Kai will eventually get pissed about your lack of progress and will do things like deactivate your prognosticars for 90 days for safety purposes (to reduce psychic backlash impacts on them).

The other reason not to delay indefinitely--and why there's no real endless mode--is because you will eventually get overwhelmed by the number of missions that keep popping up around the star map. When planets reach 5 corruption, there is a chance they can spawn a Morbus Gate, which you'll need to head over to close via a special mission. (You can also slag the planet via Exterminatus, but don't do this on any planets linked to a prognosticar, or you'll lose the prog for good.) Fail to close 5 Morbus Gates, and your campaign is over.

I've managed to drag out one campaign to nearly 1000+ days, but that was on a lower difficulty, where the bloom infection rate is less aggressive. On Ruthless or Legendary, I'm not so sure you'd want to or could do that.

In XCOM, you can get a true endless mode as satellites over nations will prevent abduction missions from occurring in them, thus allowing you to control where you will operate. Put up satellites everywhere except over one country, and you can focus your ops in one area. Here, Prognosticars don't prevent new bloom missions from forming, and two missions on opposite sides of the map usually means you won't be able to nab both.

As phoneplace stated, this should not happen. The main trigger seems to be researching the codex. And there is no documentation, that bloom is more aggressive on higher levels (do you have an evidence for that?), therefore you have other pentalties like more HP on enemies...When I played on standard, I managed to keep my planets "clean" until end of game (defeating Endboss) But thanks for your explanations. I now started on ruthless and will see what happens