Terminator Armour and its uses

[chucklehead]

Hi folks
Couple of questions regarding Terminator armor:

Does it allow your knights to hold heavy weapons 1 handed? So you could have, for example, a psycannon and a sword?

If that is the case, is a heavy weapon pretty much always better than a storm bolter?

What's the general consensus with the 2 armour types? Is Terminator armour considered better than power armour?

Cheers people

[Veolfen]

Terminator armor reduces your mobility that can be problematic in very few situations (you can't climb some stuff so you'll have to take a longer paths, but overall it doesn't happen often).

And yes & no for the heavy weapon 1 handed : you can't by default with a terminator armor BUT if you take the skill (justicar has it and also an advanced class has it too) that allows you to equip one you'll be able to wield a psycanon and a sword ;)

And yes a heavy weapon is always better than a storm bolter.

There you go !

[Inkidu]

No it doesn't allow you to hold two-handed weapons one handed. It provides an additional two points of armor, outside of the purgator or a range-focused justicar storm bolters are generally better.

Terminator trades the ability to climb up small walls in the games pathing for more defense. Generally if you can terminator armor it's always going to be the armor you want to go with.
The interceptors that would benefit from being able to climb generally are going to use that point of AP to warp to wherever they need to go.

[Imperialus]

Out of the base classes justicars can use psicannons and melee weapons of they are in terminator armour.

Which is better depends on how much you get shot. If you regularly wipe out enemy patrols without them getting a turn then terminator armour is pointless. Otherwise a couple levels in ageis shield well make a very tanky knight.

For me at least I have found that higher level terminator armour seems to offer better bonus' but that could be RNG bias too so YMMV.

[chucklehead]

Interesting, appreciate all your feedback so far folks.

I should have said, I understand you have to 1st unlock termi armour, then the relevant skill to use a heavy weapon. I've got enough upgrade points now to unlock psycannons for my main Justicar.

In what circumstances would a bolter be better than a psycannon? They have the same range and ammo count. The cannon hits harder and has some utility with its special attack

[Imperialus]

The psycannon is a straight upgrade to the stormbolter. That shouldn't be the consideration though. You should be asking yourself if the psycannon is worth the skill points on the justicar vs other things like honour the chapter, and in that comparison the psycannon is inferior.

If course that's from a mechanics standpoint. Rule of cool says to put psycannons on your justicars.

[Charlando[SunsOfStmChrts]]

Terminator armor at the higher tiers frequently offers upgrades that can increase its armor. I have one with 6 plus an accessory that boosts Aegis shield by 3, so my Justicar has 12 armor with aegis shield.

Unlike Dawn of War 2 however, terminator doesn't grant you immunity to pinned. But it does provide immunity to knockback.

Originally posted by chucklehead:

Interesting, appreciate all your feedback so far folks.

I should have said, I understand you have to 1st unlock termi armour, then the relevant skill to use a heavy weapon. I've got enough upgrade points now to unlock psycannons for my main Justicar.

In what circumstances would a bolter be better than a psycannon? They have the same range and ammo count. The cannon hits harder and has some utility with its special attack

IMO unlocking the psycannon for Justicars is a waste of skill points. They are low ammo and there are plenty of excellent storm bolters, like ones that can +1/+2 stun or armor piercing on psybolts. Or extra range. And more - I got one that has a chance to make the enemy attack its allies.

But if you want do it for "rule of cool", then sure. In that case definitely get the perk of "50% chance to free reload when out of ammo.

[Dance Commander]

Terminator armor is VERY overrated, other than the tier 3 terminator armor that gives you the grenade slots and buffs none of them are worth losing the mobility and stats from normal power armour.

If you find yourself in a situation where you have to rely on armor you're doing it wrong.

[Danyule]

Originally posted by Veolfen:

And yes a heavy weapon is always better than a storm bolter.

i wouldn't say that. I've found some pretty attractive storm bolter.

[watcherzero]

I have not seen a terminator armour that is inferior to normal power armour, Terminator is always better unless you dont want to sacrifice mobility (so for example my apothecary doesnt use it even though he could spec it).

[jmotivator]

Originally posted by chucklehead:

In what circumstances would a bolter be better than a psycannon?

It really comes down to the weapon's special traits. I have a storm bother with 14 range, a 6 round clip and "Target Body Parts on Crit" that allows me to shoot arms off and disable enemy skills and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I put in on a Purgator who has effectively 85% crit chance without using warp and that guy shreds every single enemy in the game other than the one Seed boss with auto block on ranged attacks.

When he is with a Justicar and gets the 3AP boost he permanently remove the melee or ranged weapon of every enemy in range.

Granted, still not as badass and my warp strike interceptor.

[TABRiS]

I am no pro at this game..

But I usually find my self using a Justicar in terminator armour as a armoured tank/bullet sponge. Leading the charge into the fray.

Plus it looks bad ass

[Paul Caruso]

Originally posted by Veolfen:

Terminator armor reduces your mobility that can be problematic in very few situations (you can't climb some stuff so you'll have to take a longer paths, but overall it doesn't happen often).

And yes & no for the heavy weapon 1 handed : you can't by default with a terminator armor BUT if you take the skill (justicar has it and also an advanced class has it too) that allows you to equip one you'll be able to wield a psycanon and a sword ;)

And yes a heavy weapon is always better than a storm bolter.

There you go !

Re: mobility, if for whatever reason you wind up in a spot surrounded by walls (even half walls) your unit *will* get stuck for the rest of the mission

[Charlando[SunsOfStmChrts]]

I've found terminator armor is very useful for the "don't use willpower" deeds

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by chucklehead:

Interesting, appreciate all your feedback so far folks.

I should have said, I understand you have to 1st unlock termi armour, then the relevant skill to use a heavy weapon. I've got enough upgrade points now to unlock psycannons for my main Justicar.

In what circumstances would a bolter be better than a psycannon? They have the same range and ammo count. The cannon hits harder and has some utility with its special attack

It entirely depends on which Tier 3 weapons you have available.
On average, a psycannon deals more damage, but has a smaller magazine.
However these considerations are pointless since at the end of the day it will be completely up to which master-crafted weapons you have found.
If you have good master-crafted bolters, then they are better than your base psycannons. It's up to the RNG and to you to grab them when they pop up.

[Voldo]

something feels funny in this game, like (loyalist) Terminator armour gives +2 armour...and plague marines have default 2-3 in their normal power armour?

Regular loyalist power armour is 0, which is same as unarmoured chaos cultist wearing loincloth?

It looks cool when you kick a blastdoor open with your armoured boot while wearing a power armour...and then see an unaugmented, unarmoured chaos cultist do same on the next reinforced blastdoor?