Denuvo makes this old ghoul sad.

[Doctor Baconsky]

Could we, maybe, do without the built-in DRM? Isn't Steam DRM enough?

[Terrapin]

Escrito originalmente por Captain Baconsky:

Could we, maybe, do without the built-in DRM? Isn't Steam DRM enough?

Lol, it's always the private profiles that start these threads.

Anyway, obviously Steam DRM is not enough. Every game released with Steam drm hits the torrent sites the exact same day. By contrast DL2 which released a week ago has not been cracked and will not be cracked.

While I agree that piracy is a minimal hit to a developers sale and it may even help sales. Denuvo is a minimal if any hit to system performance and any argument otherwise is just a means of championing piracy.

It's on my wishlist and if the reviews are good and the general consensu is that's it's a good game, I'll buy it. I would have done the sae if it didn't have Denuvo. If you think the developer is gonna go "oh no Captain Baconsky doesn't want Denuvo we better remove it" you are deluding yourself.

[MainframeMouse]

This game was something I was hoping would come to GoG, I've got loads of the Warhammer games on there already.

Frontier, please, sit down think this through with logic. Denuvo isn't magic. It can't make poor people rich enough to buy your games, it can't fix broken exchange rates or poor economies and its highly unlikely to make a habitual pirate buy the game instead of just playing something else.

The numbers don't add up.

There is a reason you can't publish the "facts" and "figures" denuvo gave you, and th reason is they wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.

[MainframeMouse]

Escrito originalmente por Terrapin:

Escrito originalmente por Captain Baconsky:

Could we, maybe, do without the built-in DRM? Isn't Steam DRM enough?

Lol, it's always the private profiles that start these threads.

Anyway, obviously Steam DRM is not enough. Every game released with Steam drm hits the torrent sites the exact same day. By contrast DL2 which released a week ago has not been cracked and will not be cracked.

While I agree that piracy is a minimal hit to a developers sale and it may even help sales. Denuvo is a minimal if any hit to system performance and any argument otherwise is just a means of championing piracy.

It's on my wishlist and if the reviews are good and the general consensu is that's it's a good game, I'll buy it. I would have done the sae if it didn't have Denuvo. If you think the developer is gonna go "oh no Captain Baconsky doesn't want Denuvo we better remove it" you are deluding yourself.

Hello again, as I said In DL2, my issue is with the Steam DRM restrictions that Denuvo reinforces rather than any performance. Freedoms and rights are more important to me than frames per second.

[Terrapin]

Escrito originalmente por MainframeMouse:

Escrito originalmente por Terrapin:

Lol, it's always the private profiles that start these threads.

Anyway, obviously Steam DRM is not enough. Every game released with Steam drm hits the torrent sites the exact same day. By contrast DL2 which released a week ago has not been cracked and will not be cracked.

While I agree that piracy is a minimal hit to a developers sale and it may even help sales. Denuvo is a minimal if any hit to system performance and any argument otherwise is just a means of championing piracy.

It's on my wishlist and if the reviews are good and the general consensu is that's it's a good game, I'll buy it. I would have done the sae if it didn't have Denuvo. If you think the developer is gonna go "oh no Captain Baconsky doesn't want Denuvo we better remove it" you are deluding yourself.

Hello again, as I said In DL2, my issue is with the Steam DRM restrictions that Denuvo reinforces rather than any performance. Freedoms and rights are more important to me than frames per second.

As I said there, I applaud you. It's just not an overwhelming concern to me. Would I prefer no Denuvo absolutely, but it doesn't rise to the level of say an Epic elxclusive that I absolutely will not buy. Regarding that, a game like this is ripe for Epic exclusivity and they didn't do that so I can give them some slack for Denuvo.

Also, while I don't have any figures, I think small studios like this are more affected by piracy than an Ubisoft or Bethesda etc. As I said it's just a theory I don't have any facts to back it up.

[MainframeMouse]

Escrito originalmente por Terrapin:

Escrito originalmente por MainframeMouse:

Hello again, as I said In DL2, my issue is with the Steam DRM restrictions that Denuvo reinforces rather than any performance. Freedoms and rights are more important to me than frames per second.

As I said there, I applaud you. It's just not an overwhelming concern to me. Would I prefer no Denuvo absolutely, but it doesn't rise to the level of say an Epic elxclusive that I absolutely will not buy. Regarding that, a game like this is ripe for Epic exclusivity and they didn't do that so I can give them some slack for Denuvo.

Also, while I don't have any figures, I think small studios like this are more affected by piracy than an Ubisoft or Bethesda etc. As I said it's just a theory I don't have any facts to back it up.

Epic exclusive don't bother me much. Partly because I understand the business requirement for them (Really if you think you know how to take on an entrenched dominant company like Valve with out using Exclusives, don't post them here, get your arse on Dragons Den, you'd make billions). But mostly it increased (or for a while at least) the chance of that game coming to GoG. One of the largest reasons a game becomes a de facto Steam exclusive is the developers dependence on the Steam API and unbinding that takes time they rarely have. When its an Epic exclusive, thats already done, so its easier to bring to GoG.

I strongly feel the biggest thing that can help or hinder a smaller studio, is word of mouth. I honestly think the bad press from using Denuvo will hurt, while having people playing the game (regardless of whether they paid) and rating it will help.

I suppose its boils down on how you see people. I've always been more of the "outside looking in" when it comes to humanity, there's plenty of human actions that still don't make sense to me, and others are disturbingly predictable.

[Terrapin]

Escrito originalmente por MainframeMouse:

Escrito originalmente por Terrapin:

As I said there, I applaud you. It's just not an overwhelming concern to me. Would I prefer no Denuvo absolutely, but it doesn't rise to the level of say an Epic elxclusive that I absolutely will not buy. Regarding that, a game like this is ripe for Epic exclusivity and they didn't do that so I can give them some slack for Denuvo.

Also, while I don't have any figures, I think small studios like this are more affected by piracy than an Ubisoft or Bethesda etc. As I said it's just a theory I don't have any facts to back it up.

Epic exclusive don't bother me much. Partly because I understand the business requirement for them (Really if you think you know how to take on an entrenched dominant company like Valve with out using Exclusives, don't post them here, get your arse on Dragons Den, you'd make billions). But mostly it increased (or for a while at least) the chance of that game coming to GoG. One of the largest reasons a game becomes a de facto Steam exclusive is the developers dependence on the Steam API and unbinding that takes time they rarely have. When its an Epic exclusive, thats already done, so its easier to bring to GoG.

I strongly feel the biggest thing that can help or hinder a smaller studio, is word of mouth. I honestly think the bad press from using Denuvo will hurt, while having people playing the game (regardless of whether they paid) and rating it will help.

I suppose its boils down on how you see people. I've always been more of the "outside looking in" when it comes to humanity, there's plenty of human actions that still don't make sense to me, and others are disturbingly predictable.

With how Denuvo is a matter of principle to you, Epic exclusivity is to me. I don't disagree that exclusive are helping them to try to compete with Steam. It doesn't make them ethically right.

Escrito originalmente por MainframeMouse:

This game was something I was hoping would come to GoG, I've got loads of the Warhammer games on there already.

Frontier, please, sit down think this through with logic. Denuvo isn't magic. It can't make poor people rich enough to buy your games, it can't fix broken exchange rates or poor economies and its highly unlikely to make a habitual pirate buy the game instead of just playing something else.

The numbers don't add up.

There is a reason you can't publish the "facts" and "figures" denuvo gave you, and th reason is they wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.

I agree with everything you said here. I've thought about this and Denuvo must have a Wolf of Wallstreet level sales team.

[Rizilliant]

Deal breaker for me too

[Darakin]

I'll give them credit for being upfront about Denuvo instead of springing it just before release.

[Doctor Baconsky]

Escrito originalmente por Darakin:

I'll give them credit for being upfront about Denuvo instead of springing it just before release. :winter2019neutralyul:

Won't argue with that.

[xenoonex369]

Cringe i will wait, Ok back to Vampire survivors

[Elegant Caveman]

Escrito originalmente por Dread:

Hoping for a quick removal and preparing for a long wait time.

Escrito originalmente por CharlesSurge:

Remove Denuvo.

It's Frontier, so that's unlikely to ever happen, unfortunately. Haven't seen them remove it from any of their games yet.

(if I've missed one, I'd love to be proven wrong about this)

Escrito originalmente por Terrapin:

Lol, it's always the private profiles that start these threads.

What does that even mean?

What's hard to understand about the fact that the very same kind of person who'd be concerned about privacy would be the type that opposes invasive third-party software?

Escrito originalmente por Darakin:

I'll give them credit for being upfront about Denuvo instead of springing it just before release.

Credit where credit's due, yeah.

[Burusagi]

Got a pop-up from Steam when starting it to check out this game.

Loved what I saw but then I scrolled down and saw Denuvo.... yeah no.

Deal-breaker, sadly.

[Cryonic]

Denuvo means another game Ill skip. Shame as I do love some 40k but there are plenty of games that don't come included with PC Cancer.

[Skorne]

Denuvo is pretty effective at stopping piracy but the real problem is it doesn't benefit the paying customer one bit, but in fact has a negative effect for them. Various before and after Denuvo examples have shown it does have an impact on performance, smoothness and loading times, that's a fact that cannot be denied. For me it's even worse it has caused game stability issues too - it's just another thing that can go wrong and has.

Denuvo is a brute force DRM and I wish developers would find a better solution to anti-piracy.

[MainframeMouse]

Escrito originalmente por Skorne:

Denuvo is pretty effective at stopping piracy but the real problem is it doesn't benefit the paying customer one bit, but in fact has a negative effect for them. Various before and after Denuvo examples have shown it does have an impact on performance, smoothness and loading times, that's a fact that cannot be denied. For me it's even worse it has caused game stability issues too - it's just another thing that can go wrong and has.

Denuvo is a brute force DRM and I wish developers would find a better solution to anti-piracy.

The real question is does stopping piracy result in extra sales, unbiased research say there is no measurable effect on Games. Companies do this, pay extra for the tech, don't make any real extra sale, while harming legitimate customers and driving other away. its a Lose, lose, lose, lose situation that they've convinced themselves is a win.