How have you managed to make the Challenger the worst best tank for my country

[Mao Zedong]

dead ass is crazy how russian tanks have a better hit rate than my chalys that even in their early config had amazing an targeting computer. also why are we ignoring their ♥♥♥♥ armour too like why am i getting penned from the front by t-62s when my armour is considered by everyone in the world. the best ever made.

[Amormaliar]

lol no

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

I think most of the limitations of the in-game tank can be explained by the Challenger Mk2/3 not being the same tank as the Challenger 2. The latter is the one famous for its durability, and did not enter service until 1998; far too late to have realistically been "Marched to War".

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Mao Zedong:

why am i getting penned from the front by t-62s

Don't fight enemy tanks at point-blank range, especially when your Challengers have longer-range guns than T-62s.

Also, T-62s do 17 damage and Challengers have 18 armor, so IF a T-62 is close enough to pen a Chally, it would need to hit your tank 10 times in a row to destroy it. If that happens, there's definite skill issue to consider.

when my armour is considered by everyone in the world. the best ever made.

Lol

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by Mao Zedong:

dead ass is crazy how russian tanks have a better hit rate than my chalys that even in their early config had amazing an targeting computer. also why are we ignoring their ♥♥♥♥ armour too like why am i getting penned from the front by t-62s when my armour is considered by everyone in the world. the best ever made.

it's 1989 and the Chally 1Mk2 was a pile of dodo.

[LastTurkInPontus]

Let me crunch numbers. You have 18 front armor , and 7 side armor if we tak about mk2 ehich makes main gun 18 pen. This for 220 points means you have 2 more armor than leo2a3 while having 2 less pen. 2 less ke pen means 1 damage worth of change while 2 front armor means enemy needs 4 ke more pen to deal same damage they deal to leo2a3. You survive 30 pen plane missiles while 10 point more expensive leo2a3 doesn't. Pen does make a diffirence but armor makes you harder to kill. To return to what you said lets look at t-62. 17 pen on main gun which means it deals 1.5 damage to you in 2100 meter which is max range of its gun. You have 2275 meter range on your gun and 18 pen against his 14 armor. You will deal 3 damage at max range and 3.5 damage at 2100 meters duel. For ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ MV version situation is worse as it got 11 armor. 18 to 11 , 4.5 at max range or 5 if it gets close for some reasone as it got an 18 pen atgm which will deal you 1 damage but mire importantly a lot of suppression.
Lets get into mk3 , 18 armor on front but 20 pen on main gun and ERA so 11 hp. Leo2A4(C) has 18 armor on front , 21 pen on gun and has no ERA and is 15 points more expensive. So you are kinda in a good point. So lets look at your 1v1 with t-62. 2100 meter range gun has 17 pen again and 14 armor is better as against ke ERA acts like 2 armor but ERA variant has 3 less armor so its inferior. So 20 pen at max range against 14 armor , 4 damage plus if it gets close to fight than 4.5. Still 3 shots to kill but whatever. Also T-62 with era cries as 20 vs 11 means 5.5 and this means 2 shot in max range. In closer range of 2100 6 damage and again another 2 shot. As you see there is no way unless you got unlucky or engaged one atgm tank from a long distance (like 2600) you will win. Even though saying this I should say just use atgm to kill these guys. 11 armor one is very much 1 shotted by tow2a or fitow funny enough. Most has 2 top armor so only top attack missile is actualy capable of killing them only in one shot. Exception being ERA one. Others die to 24 pen milan 2 in two shots. So basicly git gud

[RaideR]

Yeah, the tank that has advanced weapons control and new armour with mighty cannon
Seems to be just meh
Tank that first used barrel laser sight, and landed kill shot at 4700 meters in 1991
Later Abram's tank got this sighting
Chobhan armour has same if not worse protection (in game) against tanks with HRA, weight 62t vs 45 tonnes, just because reasons and stalenium has been added to commie tanks
But yeah, we can't have it done properly, because pact fanboiz need their "balance" overdone for them

[LastTurkInPontus]

Originally posted by RaideR:

Yeah, the tank that has advanced weapons control and new armour with mighty cannon
Seems to be just meh
Tank that first used barrel laser sight, and landed kill shot at 4700 meters in 1991
Later Abram's tank got this sighting
Chobhan armour has same if not worse protection (in game) against tanks with HRA, weight 62t vs 45 tonnes, just because reasons and stalenium has been added to commie tanks
But yeah, we can't have it done properly, because pact fanboiz need their "balance" overdone for them

Man look at my math above , only way he loses to T-62 is charging into it from 2800 meters. And it is like that if 18 pen atgm hits. Also they standartized gun range back in early acces. Say what you will but I rather have pre tank rework just for 21 armor leo2a3

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by RaideR:

Tank that first used barrel laser sight, and landed kill shot at 4700 meters in 1991

For the millionth time, that one shot (on a stationary target) was made by a Challenger 2.

Challenger 2s don't exist in this game.

[RaideR]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by RaideR:

Tank that first used barrel laser sight, and landed kill shot at 4700 meters in 1991

For the millionth time, that one shot (on a stationary target) was made by a Challenger 2.

Challenger 2s don't exist in this game.

Challenger 1 tank from the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards,
Stationary or not
Btw challenger 2 start service in 1998
So, i wonder, can you believe you have been wrong for millionth time?

[RaideR]

Originally posted by LastTurkInPontus:

Originally posted by RaideR:

Yeah, the tank that has advanced weapons control and new armour with mighty cannon
Seems to be just meh
Tank that first used barrel laser sight, and landed kill shot at 4700 meters in 1991
Later Abram's tank got this sighting
Chobhan armour has same if not worse protection (in game) against tanks with HRA, weight 62t vs 45 tonnes, just because reasons and stalenium has been added to commie tanks
But yeah, we can't have it done properly, because pact fanboiz need their "balance" overdone for them

Man look at my math above , only way he loses to T-62 is charging into it from 2800 meters. And it is like that if 18 pen atgm hits. Also they standartized gun range back in early acces. Say what you will but I rather have pre tank rework just for 21 armor leo2a3

Oh no, look, I'm not agrue game mechanics, and you are right
It's just numbers for a balance pulled from back side thats all

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by RaideR:

Originally posted by LastTurkInPontus:

Man look at my math above , only way he loses to T-62 is charging into it from 2800 meters. And it is like that if 18 pen atgm hits. Also they standartized gun range back in early acces. Say what you will but I rather have pre tank rework just for 21 armor leo2a3

Oh no, look, I'm not agrue game mechanics, and you are right
It's just numbers for a balance pulled from back side thats all

Well 2 part ammo accounts for the ROF and accuracy is as good as the brits could manage. Armour is what you expect from a stupidly heavy tank and reliability is not a factor ingame.

Slipping driving band 120 mm APFSDS is nothing special and no source I can find mentions the number of rounds fired to achieve the hits.

Could anybody do it? Sure, Israelis were blowing things up with L7 105s in the 60s at 6 to 7 km just watching fall of shot and correcting.

[RaideR]

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Originally posted by RaideR:

Oh no, look, I'm not agrue game mechanics, and you are right
It's just numbers for a balance pulled from back side thats all

Well 2 part ammo accounts for the ROF and accuracy is as good as the brits could manage. Armour is what you expect from a stupidly heavy tank and reliability is not a factor ingame.

Slipping driving band 120 mm APFSDS is nothing special and no source I can find mentions the number of rounds fired to achieve the hits.

Could anybody do it? Sure, Israelis were blowing things up with L7 105s in the 60s at 6 to 7 km just watching fall of shot and correcting.

There is a new tank on tank range kill 10 km
So its not about the longest kill and none can do it
It's just shows how good the actually that system was for its time
Like t64 when it's first came out, it was really advanced tank, and well protected, with quite good weapon firing system, but he enjoyed it for a really short time and against m48 and such
Reliability as you say, irrelevant
Because it's "akshualizm", tiger has really terrible well, everything, same as panther same as many other brand new tanks, but all of them served thru the wars, not just thru competitions or marathons
All previous British tanks were utilising rolls Roy's merlin engine, the same engine was used in aircraft's, Cromwell, Commet, chieftain, challenger got brand new engine, unlike one been in service for 40 years, brand new engines typically having problems for next 10 years
Ussr using same engine from 30s from t34, and obviously it has been modified to the core
Although, when t34 6 years after developing went to the front line, they had spare transmission attached at the back of it because it failed like everyfew dozens km, but nevertheless they went thru the war
So yeah, reliability in the game would be super frustrating for everyone
L7 cannon its British cannon, same royal ordnance L11 for the challenger, and abrams uses them too
But yeah, nothing special, just shooting beans i guess

[RaideR]

And again, 62t "stupidly" heavy tank with new type of armor
Or 45t t72 with higher numbers lol

[LastTurkInPontus]

Originally posted by RaideR:

And again, 62t "stupidly" heavy tank with new type of armor
Or 45t t72 with higher numbers lol

I mean 11 armor for ERA version and 14 armor is kinda reasonable. I would say pre tank rework was better just because heavy tanks were better albeit being 320 point mark.

[RaideR]

Originally posted by LastTurkInPontus:

Originally posted by RaideR:

And again, 62t "stupidly" heavy tank with new type of armor
Or 45t t72 with higher numbers lol

I mean 11 armor for ERA version and 14 armor is kinda reasonable. I would say pre tank rework was better

Originally posted by LastTurkInPontus:

Originally posted by RaideR:

And again, 62t "stupidly" heavy tank with new type of armor
Or 45t t72 with higher numbers lol

I mean 11 armor for ERA version and 14 armor is kinda reasonable. I would say pre tank rework was better just because heavy tanks were better albeit being 320 point mark.

I meant 62 tonnes of armor its "stupidly" heavy with 17 armor rating
But 41-45 tonnes ussr tanks surprise surprise have 16-18 armor
And t62 weight 37 tonnes and yet have 14 points
And all ussr did only rolled homogeneous armour which is inferior to Chobhan
Just to put in perspective
Tiger has 100mm plates of steel, but weight was 57 tonnes
T62 has better protection with thicker plates ranging from 79mm to 240 with a mass of 37 tonnes, because he used better alloys
So basically, metal got harder but lighter, so you could get thinner plates with better mass and protection