A "crude" Bofors

[BILI-1003172莱伯德]

New units include the FLAK S-60 57mm and FLAK KS-19M2 100mm. The first is an ancient World War 2-era gun, a crude Bofors with a larger caliber. The second unit is, once again, an old gun but modernized.
Are you serious?FLAK S-60 57mm is developed from the prototype of WWII Germany Gerät 58 55mm.I am really disappointed that you are writing without knowing the history/

[AlextheTower]

"A crude Bofors" is a good description because most people reading it will know what that is and will have a good idea of what the unit does.

They are not saying its literally a Bofors.

[BILI-1003172莱伯德]

Originally posted by AlextheTower:

"A crude Bofors" is a good description because most people reading it will know what that is and will have a good idea of what the unit does.

They are not saying its literally a Bofors.

Is not a good description,this will only mislead more people.And why is "crude"?

[Martian Patriot]

They're likening it to a Bofors because of the similar caliber and same role as an intermediate-ceiling AA between things like a 37mm and a 75mm.
As for calling it "crude," that's just an honest descriptor for anything Nazi Germany produced. The gun's traverse was crippled by poor leverage, leading to very slow tracking. The muzzle device in consort with the cordite-propellant they used not only created way too much muzzle flash such that aiming the gun became a nightmare, but the rounds also proved too underpowered.
A funny aside: Nazi Germany used far more Bofors (at least 200 purchased from Hungary and an unspecified number used by the Kriegsmarine from captured French and Polish models) than they used their native Flak 41 (60 starting in 1941).

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by BILI-1003172莱伯德:

Is not a good description,this will only mislead more people.And why is "crude"?

No one is seriously going to say "arrrgh I wanted another actual Bofors but I'm outraged that this is another German gun."

It's crude because it had no modern accoutrements; no scanning radar, relatively short range, low rate of fire, manually traversed.

[BILI-1003172莱伯德]

Originally posted by DANGER NOODLE:

They're likening it to a Bofors because of the similar caliber and same role as an intermediate-ceiling AA between things like a 37mm and a 75mm.
As for calling it "crude," that's just an honest descriptor for anything Nazi Germany produced. The gun's traverse was crippled by poor leverage, leading to very slow tracking. The muzzle device in consort with the cordite-propellant they used not only created way too much muzzle flash such that aiming the gun became a nightmare, but the rounds also proved too underpowered.
A funny aside: Nazi Germany used far more Bofors (at least 200 purchased from Hungary and an unspecified number used by the Kriegsmarine from captured French and Polish models) than they used their native Flak 41 (60 starting in 1941).

You even misidentified the weapon type, and I want you to reread it.

[BILI-1003172莱伯德]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by BILI-1003172莱伯德:

Is not a good description,this will only mislead more people.And why is "crude"?

No one is seriously going to say "arrrgh I wanted another actual Bofors but I'm outraged that this is another German gun."

It's crude because it had no modern accoutrements; no scanning radar, relatively short range, low rate of fire, manually traversed.

Scanning radar in WWII Bofors？
Eugen compares all this to World War II, not to the modern accoutrements.

[Martian Patriot]

Originally posted by BILI-1003172莱伯德:

Originally posted by DANGER NOODLE:

They're likening it to a Bofors because of the similar caliber and same role as an intermediate-ceiling AA between things like a 37mm and a 75mm.
As for calling it "crude," that's just an honest descriptor for anything Nazi Germany produced. The gun's traverse was crippled by poor leverage, leading to very slow tracking. The muzzle device in consort with the cordite-propellant they used not only created way too much muzzle flash such that aiming the gun became a nightmare, but the rounds also proved too underpowered.
A funny aside: Nazi Germany used far more Bofors (at least 200 purchased from Hungary and an unspecified number used by the Kriegsmarine from captured French and Polish models) than they used their native Flak 41 (60 starting in 1941).

You even misidentified the weapon type, and I want you to reread it.

Give me 10 concrete differences between the AZP S-60 and the Flak 41 it copied.