Spanish divisions or brigades in Germany is something total absurd

[panzerfaust75]

Devs decision to put spanish units in southag ( south germany portion in Nato command for Europe ) is kind of strange and historically incorrect. In the reality no battallion or brigade or whatever from Spain armed forces have never been stationed in german territory except for some drill or temporary combined exersice. Eugen till now (according to me ) has always shown a very focused attention about historical background for nato or pact armies so i don't understand why they made such choice.... so whats your opinion?

[Euro_General]

It wasn't stationned in Germany, but Spain sole armoured division would be joining NATO in Germany as reinforcement.

I don't mind them being added. personally.

[canseir]

Spain, as a good servant of the USA, was committed that if the Third World War started, they would be added to the southern group. In Spain it is something of public knowledge. It is true that they were never in Germany, but if the conflict had started, forces would be mobilized. .

[[EUG] MadMat]

Originally posted by panzerfaust75:

Devs decision to put spanish units in southag ( south germany portion in Nato command for Europe ) is kind of strange and historically incorrect. In the reality no battallion or brigade or whatever from Spain armed forces have never been stationed in german territory except for some drill or temporary combined exersice. Eugen till now (according to me ) has always shown a very focused attention about historical background for nato or pact armies so i don't understand why they made such choice.... so whats your opinion?

Upon joining NATO in 1982, Spain had pledged to take part in the defense of Germany in case of WW3 with an armored division (Brunete).

It wasn't stationned in Germany itself, but it was intended to join SOUTHAG ... just like 82nd Airborne or 24th Infantry Divisions ingame are nowhere to be found in Germany in peacetime, only deployed there in case of need ...

[CORRIDA]

I honestly don't know why you all are so obsessed with perfect realism, i mean WW3 itself didn't even happened in the first place.
As long things are reasonable, like spain helping out (or italy don't want to. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
everything can and should happening, especially if it benefit gameplay.

Who cares that spain didn't had troops in germany, they probably would help anyway.(they even pledged to according to #3)

Basically any military unit of every Pact or Nato country could have been moved to germany to help in case of a war.

Think of RD, everything there is a lot of fiction, but it's something that could have happened who knows.
Or Total War: Shogun, most of it is probably not very realistic, but it feels like it.

[Obokan]

The number of people who don't understand the term "fictional scenario" is absolutely astounding.

[Guillerblues]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Originally posted by panzerfaust75:

Devs decision to put spanish units in southag ( south germany portion in Nato command for Europe ) is kind of strange and historically incorrect. In the reality no battallion or brigade or whatever from Spain armed forces have never been stationed in german territory except for some drill or temporary combined exersice. Eugen till now (according to me ) has always shown a very focused attention about historical background for nato or pact armies so i don't understand why they made such choice.... so whats your opinion?

Upon joining NATO in 1982, Spain had pledged to take part in the defense of Germany in case of WW3 with an armored division (Brunete).

It wasn't stationned in Germany itself, but it was intended to join SOUTHAG ... just like 82nd Airborne or 24th Infantry Divisions ingame are nowhere to be found in Germany in peacetime, only deployed there in case of need ...

Niiice, is the Brunete armoured Division; greetings from Spain!

[McClane]

"Realism", "Accuracy", "Authenticity" or whatever other words you want to to us ARE important. Without historical constraints there isn't a point to even having a theme or setting. It might has well be red block with x stats vs blue block with y stats.

I'd don't understand why the dismissal of that aspect of the game is so common.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Originally posted by Obokan:

The number of people who don't understand the term "fictional scenario" is absolutely astounding.

Exactly. During real life, it never really seemed like WWIII in the Fulda Gap was actually going to happen. Presumably, in WARNO where it did happen, there was months of buildup and tensions, just like we saw in late 2021 / early 2022 on the Ukraine border. Units that had committed to defending Germany, but weren't stationed there full-time (like 82nd Airborne or Burnete) would have had plenty of time to mobilize either once it became obvious WWIII was going to happen, or in the months after it kicked off.

Originally posted by McClane:

"Realism", "Accuracy", "Authenticity" or whatever other words you want to to us ARE important. Without historical constraints there isn't a point to even having a theme or setting. It might has well be red block with x stats vs blue block with y stats.

I'd don't understand why the dismissal of that aspect of the game is so common.

Like Post #4 said, WWIII never happened in real life, so in the WARNO alt-history where it DID happen, there was likely a buildup of troops on both sides as I described above. The whole point of this game is "What if? NATO and Warsaw fought over Fulda in 1989".

[McClane]

Originally posted by Nephalim Glory:

Originally posted by Obokan:

The number of people who don't understand the term "fictional scenario" is absolutely astounding.

Exactly. During real life, it never really seemed like WWIII in the Fulda Gap was actually going to happen. Presumably, in WARNO where it did happen, there was months of buildup and tensions, just like we saw in late 2021 / early 2022 on the Ukraine border. Units that had committed to defending Germany, but weren't stationed there full-time (like 82nd Airborne or Burnete) would have had plenty of time to mobilize either once it became obvious WWIII was going to happen, or in the months after it kicked off.

Originally posted by McClane:

"Realism", "Accuracy", "Authenticity" or whatever other words you want to to us ARE important. Without historical constraints there isn't a point to even having a theme or setting. It might has well be red block with x stats vs blue block with y stats.

I'd don't understand why the dismissal of that aspect of the game is so common.

Like Post #4 said, WWIII never happened in real life, so in the WARNO alt-history where it DID happen, there was likely a buildup of troops on both sides as I described above. The whole point of this game is "What if? NATO and Warsaw fought over Fulda in 1989".

My post wasn't arguing against the Spanish units. My argument was against the people that in general dismiss the historical nature of these types of games.

Probably wasn't the best post to voice my frustration with the phenomena.

[CORRIDA]

I am not sure what you mean.
If you write:
"Without historical constraints there isn't a point to even having a theme or setting."

The setting is Nato vs Pact. I don't see a reason why not every division would be used somewhere in that scenario.
Maybe not in europe, but this game isn't about not Europe.

By the way, is that the same universe as in Red Dragon?

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Originally posted by CORRIDA:

I am not sure what you mean.
If you write:
"Without historical constraints there isn't a point to even having a theme or setting."

The setting is Nato vs Pact. I don't see a reason why not every division would be used somewhere in that scenario.
Maybe not in europe, but this game isn't about not Europe.

By the way, is that the same universe as in Red Dragon?

If WWIII had just happened in the Fulda Gap in 1989, I doubt any non-Asian nation would be in position to send troops to Korea in 1991.

[Scar]

Imagining the mobilization of a Spanish tactical group towards Germany in a military strategy game is a fulfilling experience. In this scenario, the inclusion of iconic units like the BMRS, VECS, and the Spanish Navy's Kobra from the 1980s adds a level of realism and excitement. The tactical group would consist of a variety of units from all three branches of the military, allowing for diverse and thrilling strategies on the battlefield. Visualizing the deployment of these units, from launching waves of legionnaires to infiltrating GEO units, provides a sense of immersion and unique satisfaction in the game

[LiquidSB - Tassigny]

Need Afghanistan, irak, koweit and india division

[PorkBunWarrior]

A iraq war game would be the next logical step for the series in my opinion you could have a kuwait defense and an iraq offensive campaign and loads of nations like Egypt and so forth. adding variety.

[Guillerblues]

Originally posted by Scar:

Imagining the mobilization of a Spanish tactical group towards Germany in a military strategy game is a fulfilling experience. In this scenario, the inclusion of iconic units like the BMRS, VECS, and the Spanish Navy's Kobra from the 1980s adds a level of realism and excitement. The tactical group would consist of a variety of units from all three branches of the military, allowing for diverse and thrilling strategies on the battlefield. Visualizing the deployment of these units, from launching waves of legionnaires to infiltrating GEO units, provides a sense of immersion and unique satisfaction in the game

Yes, let us spanish consumers enjoy Spanish army in WARNO, fisrt time in Eugen Systems and a rare sight in videogames

Maybe is Brunete but a Spanish tactical group seems like a nice alternative adding variety of units (Legion española, f-18, etc)