BAD PATCH

[IKiINIgTv]

Let's talk about what a bad patch v.115850: GROUCHY is? The Germans and British got such a sick nerf that they are almost unplayable!!!

[khajiit]

good

[IKiINIgTv]

Originally posted by crit:

good

What good?
I don't see anything good about it or I don't see anything logical about it - the patch is GARBAGE!

[Odysseus]

Originally posted by IKiINIgTv:

Let's talk about what a bad patch v.115850: GROUCHY is? The Germans and British got such a sick nerf that they are almost unplayable!!!

The two countries France has a feud with.

[IKiINIgTv]

Originally posted by Odysseus:

The two countries France has a feud with.

ok

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Odysseus:

The two countries France has a feud with.

That's quite the imagination you have.

[Abacus]

best patch so far.

[Protoss|]

Won every game I played with the UK or BW divisions I played so far.
It wasnt really a nerf as prices were adjusted too.
Only issue is that Leo2 aint that uinque anymore without perfect stabilizer, but they are still solid.

[armInIuS]

Protosszocker you are an Elite player with idk 10years background in that series? Havent you been attached since RUSE? You may keep that in mind when playing and winning against casuals.

1. The availability buff (atm) only works for base units. All veteran units have not gotten more avail. go check and compare Leo2A3 and Leo2A4 at any Vet stage. It doesnt make sense.

2. Leopard 2 now has partly weaker armor then the T-55 a tank produced with soviet steel 10 years after WW2, which wheigs 1/3 of the Leopard 2. Still having better side armor? Thats just nuts.

3. Two different planes have been removed but only one new added.

4. One very good and important anti infantry helo has been removed leaving that deck now with only atgm air support. (besides bombers). So they did not only remove a unit type but a whole Fähigkeit as well.

5. They added more tank cards - but you could already fill out all tank slots with 5. Panzer in before. That basically means you only have more "leftovers" now. Its a paper buff not really translating to more deployable units.

6. Stabilisier has gotten nerfed while again, same did not take place for soviet units (yet).
Just why? Nerf both sides the same or let it be for the next patch. The Leopard 2 stabiliser was a true revolution at that time. Why on earth are they nerfing that now?

7. They take away ther Marder 1A3 from the one particular deck that has lots of Leopard 2A3 and Leopard 2A4. The Marder was designed to work with these particular units. Now for whatever reason Eugene thought like ahhh well not done nerfing yet, lets remove their best IFV. Like srsly, why?

@MadMat

The 5. Panzer, mainly stationed in Koblenz and Dietz was the first one to receive the newly Marder 1A3. Additionally they where the only group provided with the Marder 2 Versuchtsträger. It was the division to get new tracked units first.

But Eugene says like "we imagine that...." and is technically and historically just wrong.

So to sum it up, there really is much wrong with this particular patch. Technically, historically and game balance wise.

I've talked to 3 steam friends about that patch. Including a guy from former [DAY] squad (...) and they all basically went like: yeah patch didnt make that much sense but in general we will not going to play this or next weekend but rather waiting until they are done patching the hell out of warno. Dont want to rework my deck each week. And their tik-tok balancing changes are making the game feel unbalanced each week in a new order. And, i agree.

[ArmedGhost-]

Average skill issue.

[armInIuS]

Originally posted by Uncle_Festus:

Average skill issue.

T-55 having better armor then Leopard 2.

Everyone: WTF?
Random guy on the internet: Skill Issue

[Mighty-Python-20]

[thupreem gent]

Originally posted by armInIuS:

Originally posted by Uncle_Festus:

Average skill issue.

T-55 having better armor then Leopard 2.

Everyone: WTF?
Random guy on the internet: Skill Issue

Average lingo of a drone. Originality skill issue.

[Dekillos]

Originally posted by armInIuS:

Originally posted by Uncle_Festus:

Average skill issue.

T-55 having better armor then Leopard 2.

Everyone: WTF?
Random guy on the internet: Skill Issue

Not everyone, only you. The Leopard 2 actually has thinner side armor, especially on the lower part, than the T-55 in real life. And are there any doubts about the quality of Soviet steel?

[armInIuS]

Originally posted by Dekillos:

Not everyone, only you. The Leopard 2 actually has thinner side armor, especially on the lower part, than the T-55 in real life. And are there any doubts about the quality of Soviet steel?

1. I count at least 4 different threads to that issue on the first page of this subforum. So no its not only me.
2. If you think that steel produced in the soviet union 10 years after wwII is anything close to steel produced from nearly 1990 - well ok for me, lets agree to disagree

3. Funny, you say "especially" on the lower part - i say it has much higher sider armor especially on the "higher" part as seen in the following picture. Some parts on the side do have up to 310mm.
4. Armor measuremants are different. Modern armor is about penetration techniques, completly different steel used (wielded and strengthend metal etc) different types of armor in different places. If you truly think a T55 from 1955 has better protection capabilities then a tank designed and produced almost 35 years later, well then believe it, most certainly i wont change your mind anyway.

http://www.btvt.narod.ru/raznoe/leopard2/Leopard-2A4-LOSy.jpg

If you are really interested in tank armor protections and why "modern" tanks are not comparable by any means with almost WWII era tanks, go read this:

http://www.btvt.narod.ru/raznoe/leopard2/Leo2a4.htm

Leopard 2A4
Crew compartment turret sides are protected by 310 mm thick armor, so for 30 degree from turret longitude axis it's give almost 620mm LOS protection what was pretty big value in whole 1980s.

It's important to notice that above track Leopard-2A4 sides are protected by multi spaced armor consist by: external 25mm RHA plate circa 580mm thick fuel tank 50mm hull armor.

According to Israeli the Merkava tank developers 70mm of the fuel is equal to 10mm armor plates. So 580mm fuel act (vs HEAT warhead) as 80mm armor plate. Such layout was better in 30 degree conditions and gives probably enough layers and space to stop older RPG-7 grenades.

[mndbsd]

Originally posted by armInIuS:

Originally posted by Dekillos:

Not everyone, only you. The Leopard 2 actually has thinner side armor, especially on the lower part, than the T-55 in real life. And are there any doubts about the quality of Soviet steel?

1. I count at least 4 different threads to that issue on the first page of this subforum. So no its not only me.

care to link me the other threads? i only see this one, maybe you have a special steam installed. I even went to page 2, which you NEVER do, i know i know, i like to live dangerously.

The T-64B thread is pure fantasy and fairy tales.